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[neil a]

How I did my dash 2 speed pick up , simply picks up on the driveshafts bolts.
If you have clearance you could put a clip around the inner joint and use that as a pick up or as Gary says use the old abs point.

How is your kill switch wired is it the ECU ignition switch or direct through your coil.

 

[Nafoff]

How I did my dash 2 speed pick up , simply picks up on the driveshafts bolts.
If you have clearance you could put a clip around the inner joint and use that as a pick up or as Gary says use the old abs point.

How is your kill switch wired is it the ECU ignition switch or direct through your coil.

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This looks pretty handy and keeps it all nice in the engine bay. I am a little concerned that I am doing to have to de-pin the connectors going into the back of the Dash2, I also need to check on the wiring for the kill-switch (it wasn't my loom originally) but I will see the state of play once I get the car back from Northampton Motorsport.

 

[neil a]

are you using the serial input to the dash for info from your ECU ? or are you using dedicated sensors into the aux ports on the dash ?

I have a DL1 logger im not using , that has a gps that i think can be configured as a speedo but uses the same plug as the ecu interface.

 

[Nafoff]

are you using the serial input to the dash for info from your ECU ? or are you using dedicated sensors into the aux ports on the dash ?
I have a DL1 logger im not using , that has a gps that i think can be configured as a speedo but uses the same plug as the ecu interface.

Electronics are not my strong point (actually what is.... I really need to learn)
I know you can add the data logger to the older Dash2 and then with the extra GPS sensor separately (that then plugs into that) you can get the speedo. This may be a way to go to future proof the car, a data logger would be handy.

I am finding out on the loom from the original owner/builder, its not handy not having the car to even reference and work out myself

 

[neil a]

Electronics are not my strong point (actually what is.... I really need to learn)
I know you can add the data logger to the older Dash2 and then with the extra GPS sensor separately (that then plugs into that) you can get the speedo. This may be a way to go to future proof the car, a data logger would be handy.

I am finding out on the loom from the original owner/builder, its not handy not having the car to even reference and work out myself

Im the same I HATE wiring .
I found the easiest way to have the kill switch working when on standalone was to use one of the smaller terminal pairs on the back of the kill switch to kill the ignition feed to the ECU , this in turn kills the fuel pump and ignition.

 

[Nafoff]

are you using the serial input to the dash for info from your ECU ? or are you using dedicated sensors into the aux ports on the dash ?

Dash uses Can interface to the ECU
Oil pressure and temp are direct to dash

 

[Nafoff]

Im the same I HATE wiring . I found the easiest way to have the kill switch working when on standalone was to use one of the smaller terminal pairs on the back of the kill switch to kill the ignition feed to the ECU , this in turn kills the fuel pump and ignition.

It worked previously when we tested it once wired in, and before that on BIGASH's car (it was his loom) so hopefully it is just a loose connection

 

[neil a]

Dash uses Can interface to the ECU
Oil pressure and temp are direct to dash

Same as mine then so you should still have 2 aux inputs free on the dash2 plug 1, i use one of them for fuel level.

Wheel speed input would go onto the brown wire on plug 1 pin 8 , taking a 5v ref from the grey wire on plug 2 pin 9

 

[Nafoff]

Same as mine then so you should still have 2 aux inputs free on the dash2 plug 1, i use one of them for fuel level.

Wheel speed input would go onto the brown wire on plug 1 pin 8 , taking a 5v ref from the grey wire on plug 2 pin 9

So I could wire straight to that rather than through a data logger?

 

[vroomtshh]

So I could wire straight to that rather than through a data logger?

Yep, I have a data logger (gives you more channels) but it's in my garage unfitted yet

 

[Nafoff]

Yep, I have a data logger (gives you more channels) but it's in my garage unfitted yet

Awesome. Looks like another job for when it comes back. I may have to pick yours and @neil a brains when I do it ?

 

[vroomtshh]

Awesome. Looks like another job for when it comes back. I may have to pick yours and @neil a brains when I do it ?

I'm currently building a new loom. So go for it, it's all fresh in my head and I should have pictures
?

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
So I have been away on holiday for a couple of weeks, whilst away I got contact from Troy at Northampton Motorsport and they can not calibrate the dash, the conversation was very brief and not the clearest but it looks like it is something I am going to look into when I get the car back.

Talking of getting the car back, this should be tomorrow.... pics/possibly a video then

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
As mentioned yesterday I collected the car from Northampton Motorsport today. They were great and took a decent bit of time talking me through all the work they have done, very happy with the service there and would highly recommend them. I used the same transporter to bring it up to Birmingham as when I moved it from Milton Keynes, Gavin was great - properly looked after the car and didn't mind me sitting in for the journey...

The car now runs nicely, although a little lumpy but I am pretty happy that all is well with minimal problems engine side...
It has also been weighed and comes in at 830kgs, I am pretty chuffed with that and it means I am looking at a figure of 249BHP per tonne - not too bad.

It is a shame that minimal issues can't be said for the loom. There are various problems with that side of things and it is going to be a real test for me to sort those as I am not electronically minded at all, some of the issues are noted below, these also include the dash basically getting no info whatever.... Hopefully I can speak to BigAsh again and get his brains on it as he was the original loom builder.

So with the above in mind and the car back with me now, here is my jobs list (in some kind of priority order)

• Tighten rear suspension
• Tighten fit new hub nuts
• Paint exhaust mount holes
• Paint area around new bulkhead connector
• Paint bulkhead connector plate
• Wrap hose by radiator - neoprene
• Door cards/furniture

Sort all wiring

• Wire in and calibrate dash
• Check wiring for dash/indicators/oil pressure/temp
• Wire/check kill switches
• Wire in speedo sensor
• Check rear number plate light/loom
• Check wiring to wiper

• Throttle stop
• Helitape door and wings
• Gold foil protection on fuel tank
• Fit new handbrake cables
• Check wiper sweep
• Door window edging. Electrical tape edge, use window bonding and new nosel to cut back then clean with brake cleaner.
• Paint window frame
• Window cleaning - Mild (isopronic) alcohol - carbon collective/G-technic
• Refurb wheels/buy tyres
• Complete full bolt check and mark-up
• Geo set-up (centre of gravity, atherstone)

A pretty decent list. Luckily I currently have somewhere thats shall we say, a little larger than my garage in MK... although it was cosier and more personal in there.

 

[Eddie555]

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[Nafoff]

Very nice mate. I’m also Birmingham based. Have you booked for Centre of Gravity? I wanted to go there and when I enquired in March this year it was 3 month waiting list.

I haven't. I have only learnt about them this evening so jotted there details down in my list as a reference. I am not even sure I will be still in the area by the time it gets to geo setup but I will see - seems like a pretty good place and is right on my doorstep

 

[Eddie555]

I haven't. I have only learnt about them this evening so jotted there details down in my list as a reference. I am not even sure I will be still in the area by the time it gets to geo setup but I will see - seems like a pretty good place and is right on my doorstep

Tbf CoG are a very well respected place to go. I know a few Audi guys that have travelled far and wide to use them. The mistake I made was expecting them to fit me in and I hadn’t foreseen the long wait time. I had 3 weeks to finish my car ready to go to the Nurburgring and so I had to get my geo done elsewhere.

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
Over the past few days I have been researching the dash issue, it seems that this is actually quite a common problem after hearing from a few people about it.
After speaking with BIGASH he mentioned that the dash or the interface (lead) may need to go back to Race Technology to be re-programmed for the new ECU.

This morning I have spoken to Race Technology and they are looking into it for me, it shouldn't be much of a problem as the last ECU was just an older version (Specialist Components Typhoon) of my new ECU (SCS Delta 400), but we will see - hopefully it is a simple fix.

 

[JamesBryan]

Bit of a pain that it's not all up a running 100% yet mate.

At least it's looking promising though.

When do you hope to be testing it by?

 

[Nafoff]

Bit of a pain that it's not all up a running 100% yet mate. At least it's looking promising though. When do you hope to be testing it by?

It is a bit of an anti-climax to be honest... but yeah it is looking promising and to be honest I have got this far through other problems so whats one more...
As for when I will be out testing it - I am unsure. The aforementioned work I have just had done has wiped me out cash wise so nothing can progress for a little while.

The car still needs new tyres all round and to have the geo set-up before it can really be driven, and I need money to sort those, mixed that with the fact I am having a baby in the near future means the car may have to take a back seat for a little while...

 

[JamesBryan]

It is a bit of an anti-climax to be honest... but yeah it is looking promising and to be honest I have got this far through other problems so whats one more...
As for when I will be out testing it - I am unsure. The aforementioned work I have just had done has wiped me out cash wise so nothing can progress for a little while.

The car still needs new tyres all round and to have the geo set-up before it can really be driven, and I need money to sort those, mixed that with the fact I am having a baby in the near future means the car may have to take a back seat for a little while...

Bring it up to Oulton for an early season track day in Feb/March next year.

 

[Nafoff]

Bring it up to Oulton for an early season track day in Feb/March next year.

Now that could be an option.....

 

[neil a]

With any luck it's just a case of selecting the new ECU from the dash2 interface menu.
My laptop is lying in my car at Sitech but going there tomorrow so will check the dash2 software to see if the new ECU is on the list.

 

[Nafoff]

With any luck it's just a case of selecting the new ECU from the dash2 interface menu.
My laptop is lying in my car at Sitech but going there tomorrow so will check the dash2 software to see if the new ECU is on the list.

Hopefully, that was what the Race Technology guys seem to say, but they are investigating further and getting back to me.
That would be great if you find anything out. Cheers

 

[neil a]

I had a look on the ECU interface list and cant see the typhoon or Delta 400 on it so not sure what the typhoon was running.
Easy to check by plugging into the dash and checking the set up.

 

[Nafoff]

I had a look on the ECU interface list and cant see the typhoon or Delta 400 on it so not sure what the typhoon was running.
Easy to check by plugging into the dash and checking the set up.

Hmmmm, I will follow up with Race Technology tomorrow. Happy to send them everything so I can get this sorted

 

[Chambers_RS]

I’ve just re read like 25 pages ? I do love the attention to detail. Made me realise I’ve missed bits on mine this time around anyway ?

I do think Pure motorsport engine mounts would finish the bay off tho ? I like how tidy they make the bay especially the gearbox mount.

 

[Nafoff]

I’ve just re read like 25 pages ? I do love the attention to detail. Made me realise I’ve missed bits on mine this time around anyway ?

I do think Pure motorsport engine mounts would finish the bay off tho ? I like how tidy they make the bay especially the gearbox mount.

You need to get out more mate, reading my waffle is questionable... reading it twice is insane - you ok hun?
I am sure I have missed some things but hey when is a project ever finished....

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
Very little has happened since the car has been back with me, this is mainly due to having a lot of other stuff on, and after it being away for a while I am out of practice in consistently working on it. I need to get back on it though and get things moving forward - there is enough of a list...

I do now have everything back in one place again and accessible to the car, and some space to work on it.... its not quite as cosy as my old garage but there is a fair bit of room, I guess I also have a toilet, shower, kitchen, fridge and cooker in my garage too technically...

So first job is to try and sort all the electrical niggles. The initial, probably most time consuming one is the dash (or lack of). After speaking with Race Technology they seem to think that it is a case of the ECU not being recognised by the dash/can interface. They have spoken with SCS and believe a file needs to be built to upload to the CAN interface. With that the dash and the CAN interface were removed and posted back to Race Technology.

Other tiny little tit bits have been done but I will wait for a more significant upload to update fully.

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
I had previously packaged up and sent off my Dash 2 and CAN interface to Race Technology and earlier this week heard back from them, I explained the situation with the Dash and interface and that although it was a 2009 item it was effectively brand new. They confirmed this and said that it was reading no faults at all.

The Dash2/CAN interface were uploaded with the newest firmware and then the interface was reconfigured for Detla 400 (the DASH2 has been fully tested and serviced and no faults found - as previously mentioned).

Hopefully this means the dash will work when it comes back..... although I take it I will have to set-up the sensors?

Whilst I was getting post back from Race Technology and I was going to be messing around with the electrics and dash I ordered the wheel speed sensor from them, its going to come in handy with the 4m cable...ha.

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
Not much had happened recently with just a lot of other things on, mainly work 24/7 but this weekend I got a bit more time on it.

First job was to tighten the rear suspension, for some reason one side was loose. I got it all apart, had both rear shocks off, matched everything as I re-assembled them and re-attached all to the car and dropped it back onto its wheels.... IDIOT... now I had 2 loose rear shocks.... Everything off again, both shocks off and find the issue. I had a good idea what it was....

The image above shows the metal shim sat below the circlip on the shaft, it needed to be above it as this is what the large washers bump stops etc and in-turn the body sat on... all changed and put back on the car re-attaching the r'arb and torquing all up, dropping it back onto its wheels again it was all good. Happy days.

A couple of smaller jobs next but important attention to detail. When the car went to Northampton Motorsport they fitted a new bulkhead connector. The new one was a fair bit smaller than the original so they made up a plate to size it down, however this was bare metal. I removed this, gave it a lick of Satin black and re-fitted.

Another thing to get some paint whilst I was at it was the brake duct trumpets. I had previously been working on these to go in the old foglight holes with some carbon plates to hold them. Once they had a lick of paint they were dropped into the fog light mounts.

These were re-attached to the front bumper which has now been re-mounted to the car (no pictures as it looks a state absolutely covered in dust).

Last job for the day was to re-fit the Dash2 that had come back from Race Technology. I had some rags lying around (donated baby clothes for the imminent arrival) which seemed to fit over and protect the column perfectly whilst I messed around fitting the dash to the dash panel....

I got the dash back in and powered the car up, much to my disappointment this is what I saw...

I was naively expecting it to all be working, or at least something. I have been doing a bit of research and asking around and @neil a has been very very helpful. It looks like I need to get the dash plugged into a laptop and check/change some settings, hopefully I can find a PC/laptop to use (I only run Mac's) and then get this sorted... thats my priority moving forward...

Time is running out before the baby comes so I would really like the electrics in a good place before I get barely any time on it.
I don't want to get the green-baby-curse @neil a @NorthloopCup

 

[Nafoff]

UPDATE:
A full day of electrics on the car this weekend made easier by having BIGASH around to help, not only being a mate but the builder of the original loom that is very helpful. We had mixed results....

The car really isn't looking its best at the moment, it is great to have such a large and undercover space to work in but it really is dirty.... evident by the layer of dust the car is wearing...

Onto the days antics....

Successful
Numberplate/rain light
Checked wiring to rear numberplate/rain light, this turned out to be a loose bulb connection so was nice and simple.

Headlights/indicators
Checked all headlights and indicator functions. When the car was at Northampton Motorsport I was told that the light loom was crossed somewhere and when headlights and indicators functioned together it dimmed the lot, but after checking all it was fine.

Armtech/cutoff switches
Also when the car was at Northampton Motorsport and when they re-wired the bulkhead connector they said they could not get the cut-off switches working again. We started with the basics on this and even though I didn't know something didn't look right about the Armtech layout, after 30mins of image searching we found a reference from BIGASH's car and re-wired the Armtech - hey presto another nice easy fix and the cut-offs working again.


Unsuccessful
Rear Lights
When testing all the lights we noticed that on one of the rear clusters there was an issue and one bulb was extremely hot (it was also illuminating although very dimly so there is an issue in the cluster). I will need to order a new rear cluster.... maybe both.... Got to decide whether it is worth going for PH2 rear lights.....


Single wiper conversion
Previously when the car was bolted together the front wiper was shorting and blowing the fuse. We tried re-looking at this over the weekend and notice that we may have wired it slightly wrong. We are only wiring the wipe at 1 speed so re-looked at this and wired it to the fastest speed only. when bolting it back in the car and running it all was good... well until we bolted the arm back on to work out the park position... For some reason the wiper wanted to continue to rotate all the way around and into the engine bay and was then locking out.... Really unsure what the issue is here but we are wondering if it is the Storm Wiper conversion kit and whether we should look at another route.... What have other people done? bodged the original set-up? Citreon AX conversions?


Dash2/ECU set-up
So the biggest issue of the day was the Dash set-up. I had managed to source a PC laptop to borrow and run the Race technology software. I also purchased a null cable and serial port to USB lead from RT to make sure I would be able to communicate one way or another.... well the null cable was useless as I needed a female end, not a male... so we had to work with a short serial to USB and into the laptop... no biggie.

I have spoken to both Northampton Motorsport and Race Technology this evening and have asked several questions that I need answers too, listed below:
I am awaiting email replies

Northampton Motorsport

• I need to check in with Troy at Northampton Motorsport to see if he set-up the correct ECU config for CAN output for the Dash2
  Troy has confirmed that he didn't log anything to the ECU as he was unaware if he needed to. He confirmed that he thought it was configured through the CAN interface (this has been done at RT). I need to check this with RT
  

Race Technology

• Does the ECU need to be configured for CAN output for the Dash2?
  (We couldn't set up any CAN connection between the Dash2 and the ECU).
  
  
• There was no option for the SCS Delta 400 in the Race Technology software under the ECU drop down.
  What should I have been looking for (Not sure if I am meant to use something else)?
  
  
• We also couldn't get any communication from the oil pressure and temp sensors to the Dash2, these are wired through the 2 x 14-way Binder 423 series circular multi-pole connectors. The continuity from the dash plug to the sensors were all good so really unsure what is going on here?
  
  
• Is there any hardware differences between years of manufacture?
  This is an older unit but has never been used up until now, as mentioned to your colleague the Dash2 and the CAN interface were both sent to you for updates to run with the SCS Delta 400 ECU.

Hopefully I can work the dash out and get it sorted.... In the meantime I need to sort some rear lights and the wiper...

 

[vroomtshh]

Do the sensors have 5a to them with a pull up resistor? Are you using the dash 2 5a supply? And are you using it gir the fuel display too? Depending which resistors you've used, it can be too much for the supply voltage

 

[Nafoff]

Do the sensors have 5a to them with a pull up resistor? Are you using the dash 2 5a supply? And are you using it gir the fuel display too? Depending which resistors you've used, it can be too much for the supply voltage

I am not 100% sure in all honesty. However the loom and the setup is exactly the same as what was run in BIGASH’s car (the loom came from that car). It all worked in that so I can’t see why it would be different/wouldn’t work.

 

[vroomtshh]

I am not 100% sure in all honesty. However the loom and the setup is exactly the same as what was run in BIGASH’s car (the loom came from that car). It all worked in that so I can’t see why it would be different/wouldn’t work.

It most likely will, but you'll have to set up the sensors to work

 

[neil a]

Neil if you email me your dash 2 configuration file and what channels you have sensors wired I to I can check it for you.
ECU interface wise I'm not sure as your ECU isn't on the drop down so unless they are using a different option option that runs same settings.

 

[JamesBryan]

Get a proper ecu 🤪

 

[NorthloopCup]

Get a proper dash like a stack 🤪

Efa

 

[JamesBryan]

Efa

😂 The Dash2 isn't too bad, well the Pro version i've seen.

 

[Nafoff]

It most likely will, but you'll have to set up the sensors to work

Neil if you email me your dash 2 configuration file and what channels you have sensors wired I to I can check it for you.
ECU interface wise I'm not sure as your ECU isn't on the drop down so unless they are using a different option option that runs same settings.

Thank you both for trying to help. @neil a I massively appreciate that offer. I will see how I get on with this next step and will then report back.

Race Technology have been quite good so far and have given me a step by step guide on what I need to do initially.
First things first I need to use the v8.5 software rather than the v10 software to communicate with the Dash. They have then given me a Dash2 reflash file to upload to the Dash2 once I am connected up. I will then need to try and configure the unit... I have literally no idea what I am doing there....ha