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The everlasting ph1 ITB Build **GREEN-BUILD STARTS AT PAGE 100**
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Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
So arrangements are all sorted to move the car saturday, i spoke to my mate (at the bodyshop) and he knows and is temporarily re-hanging the doors and tailgate just to ease transport. After speaking to my mate yesterday i did feel really sh*t tbh, not quite sure why, i almost felt guilty about pulling it out of the body shop, the fact it has been there for over a year and now i am taking it away, it also worries me as i know thats the type of place it needs to be for the work that needs doing..... but 2 good friends and my misses put me at ease, the misses seems to be quit supportive with it -
"do you want to race/hillclimb it or have something you can drive daily?"
"if the car is back at home there is no pressure, you haven't got time to work on it and it gives you breathing space and time to think"
hey mate,
the car was initially taken off the road because it needed some work, this ended up coinsiding with the purchase of a daily (by chance). That was when i started going to town on the car trying to get it as lightweight as possible, but at that point there was no 100% plan to race/hillclimb it.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with the build. everything went to sh*t after leaving FC, i'll save the sob story but it has kind of reflected my life since then. With having to find work elsewhere i ended up moving away from the car, this meant it was an effort to go and work on the car and also meant on got little time to work on it, making jobs disjointed.
Myself and my gf will be relocating to Milton Keynes in the next few months and then hopefully we can live happily ever after, and if i decide to keep it, hopefully it will be a good location to help with the re-build, and then an even better place to use it with silverstone and bedford very close nearby,
With regards to an end goal, well one day i would love to race/hillclimb it, but its no mystery that this costs £££££, I currently don't have disposable income like that so to say now i want to build an out and out race car would be pointless - hence why i think i may be kidding myself. It looks like i am spending a weekend with 2 good mates (who know the car well, and the history and both regret selling there ph1's) so we will go through the ideas/plans i expect.
When you say it may make sense now, do you mean breaking it?
as for struggling, if you mean money wise, then nah i am comfortable, but its the money that would need to go into it is a little concerning.
the effort i have put in is always in the back of my mind... don't worry about that...
"do you want to race/hillclimb it or have something you can drive daily?"
"if the car is back at home there is no pressure, you haven't got time to work on it and it gives you breathing space and time to think"
hey mate,
the car was initially taken off the road because it needed some work, this ended up coinsiding with the purchase of a daily (by chance). That was when i started going to town on the car trying to get it as lightweight as possible, but at that point there was no 100% plan to race/hillclimb it.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with the build. everything went to sh*t after leaving FC, i'll save the sob story but it has kind of reflected my life since then. With having to find work elsewhere i ended up moving away from the car, this meant it was an effort to go and work on the car and also meant on got little time to work on it, making jobs disjointed.
Myself and my gf will be relocating to Milton Keynes in the next few months and then hopefully we can live happily ever after, and if i decide to keep it, hopefully it will be a good location to help with the re-build, and then an even better place to use it with silverstone and bedford very close nearby,
With regards to an end goal, well one day i would love to race/hillclimb it, but its no mystery that this costs £££££, I currently don't have disposable income like that so to say now i want to build an out and out race car would be pointless - hence why i think i may be kidding myself. It looks like i am spending a weekend with 2 good mates (who know the car well, and the history and both regret selling there ph1's) so we will go through the ideas/plans i expect.
When you say it may make sense now, do you mean breaking it?
as for struggling, if you mean money wise, then nah i am comfortable, but its the money that would need to go into it is a little concerning.
the effort i have put in is always in the back of my mind... don't worry about that...
I was kind of in your situation with my kit car before I bought the one I did. I would love to go racing but don't have or foresee having te budget to do so, my original intention was to build something to the standard and spec needed to go racing that I could just add the race parts to that I didn't need for track days. In the end I got a deal I couldn't refuse that although I will have to change at a later date for a better/more suited car, will not have seen the money put into it to make that a problem.
I think in your situation as you have the car you will want to race at a later date is to build it up as a track car, but keeping in mind you want to race it, make sure things like the cage are up to the required standard so when you are ready to forcing te minimal amount of bits need adding/changing.
I think in your situation as you have the car you will want to race at a later date is to build it up as a track car, but keeping in mind you want to race it, make sure things like the cage are up to the required standard so when you are ready to forcing te minimal amount of bits need adding/changing.
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
time is the current issue, however in the near future this will probably be reversed when i move to a location where i don't really know that many people...lol
its all money isn't it..... if only it grew on tree's lol
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
a friend posted this on my wall today, it seems so long ago.....
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... that photo seems like an eternity ago!
Airfield day?
I cannot echo this enough... Everything is sorted with a good gangbang tbh.
Airfield day?
We'll sort everything in two weeks, big gang bang key swapping weekend will clear the air and some final decisions
I cannot echo this enough... Everything is sorted with a good gangbang tbh.
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
yep airfield day, it makes me feel sad a little, it looks in superb condition there (compared to what it looks like now)
TrackCar & F30 330d
Lots of ups and downs in this thread recently!!!!
It doesnt cost you anything to keep it in your garage! Just put it on axle stands until your ready to finish it.
Each to their own, but we are in simialr situations, I live in a different country to my car, you live miles away from yours. Basically the same!
We've both put lots of effort into our projects, you might as well finish it and drive it!
Its all about 2013!!!!! I get back from the US in january so I WILL be finishing my car and driving it all summer!
Set yourself a realistic target kiddo!
It doesnt cost you anything to keep it in your garage! Just put it on axle stands until your ready to finish it.
Each to their own, but we are in simialr situations, I live in a different country to my car, you live miles away from yours. Basically the same!
We've both put lots of effort into our projects, you might as well finish it and drive it!
Its all about 2013!!!!! I get back from the US in january so I WILL be finishing my car and driving it all summer!
Set yourself a realistic target kiddo!
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
Massive +1!
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
yeah, lots of ups and downs, but i am just being honest... not going to pretend all is rosey...
That was my thoughts with regards to just putting it in the garage for a bit, well it would give me chance to decide what i want to do either way.
I think yours is slightly more extreme case as you live in a different country, however yours is basically finished, ha
if i do consider to build on, i am unsure if a target will be set, either way things will be re-thought out
Targets are both good and bad things. I did targeting to certain jobs or chives certain goals by certain dates to be good as They motivate you to get things done. However at the same time if something happens or a fault comes up that prevents you from hitting that date, they become quite demotivating, which is why I haven't worked on the kit for over a month 
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
THE BEGINNING OF THE END?
or
THE START OF A NEW BEGINNING?
either way today was the day i arranged to transport the 172 from my mates bodyshop back to my current residence (despite the terrible weather). Another friend kindly said he would help with his truck and trailer. I got up nice and early and made my way to his. First issue was to remove the cover from his trailer (which he has never done before). My mate races a westfield which fits in the trailer quite nicely but i was pretty sure it would have been to tight for the clio (with the cover on), We got this sorted (in the wet) and we were on the way to the bodyshop.
On reaching the bodyshop i first up had to change the wheels on the 172. We had already pre-scouted the width (approximately) and we were 100% sure that with the 8" front wheels and 9" rear wheels the car would not sit in the wheel channels on the trailer. Luckily last week i purchased a set of 172 wheels for my dci, so the dci wheels could slot on the 172 for transporting. With the wheels changed over and ALL of my collection of bits put either in the 172 shell (waterproof bits), in the back of my mates Hilux or in my DCi we were soon on our way.
we then loaded the car onto the trailer and god dam it was tight, i mean real tight, neither of us were expecting how tight, pretty much 0.5mm - 1cm either side of the wheels to the edge of the trailer, and length wise wasn't much better, the car only just sitting on the end of the trailer (it did end up bending my mates petrol tank holder), but the car was ratcheted down and final checks were made. My mate at the bodyshop had kindly re-hung the doors and tailgate and bolted the front wings back on for ease of transport. I masking taped around the B pillars to hold the doors and the C pillars to hold the tailgate closed as there was no locks, fixings, rubbers etc etc left in the doors or tailgate. At this point this seemed ok, so we made our way...in the pouring rain...
Not long into the journey i started thinking about the doors and tailgate held by the masking tape, then thinking about how wet it was, then thinking about how sh*t masking tape is..... I was looking for layby's to pull in to address this in some way, constantly looking in my rear view mirror at my mate towing behind me... Before i could find a place to pull over and at a traffic lighted junction where we were turning right i checked my mirror only to see my mate turning and the passenger side door of the clio wide open.... luckily there was a driveway straight after so i pulled in and my mate followed. also lucky that by this time we were in the countryside so no people to hit.... My friend had no idea why we were stopping as the door was in his blind spot when turning, We soon found some ratchet straps and in the pooring rain strapped the doors and tailgate, the whole car was soaked by this point and we had only been on the road 10 mins... but nowt we could do and we made our way again,
It had me worried for the rest of the journey, constantly checking my mirrors for swinging doors and to see if all was well. I needn't of worried, all was well and we proceeded on home at a steady pace, although it did seem to take forever... Upon getting home, the car was removed from the trailer, all the gubbins from car/dci and truck were unloaded and then reloaded in an ordered mess inside the 172 before it was strategically placed right up against the wall in my pre-cleared garage... and this is its resting place for now.
It will probably stay there in that state until myself and my partner relocate, unsure yet... we will see, either its THE BEGINNING OF THE END? or THE START OF A NEW BEGINNING?
or
THE START OF A NEW BEGINNING?
either way today was the day i arranged to transport the 172 from my mates bodyshop back to my current residence (despite the terrible weather). Another friend kindly said he would help with his truck and trailer. I got up nice and early and made my way to his. First issue was to remove the cover from his trailer (which he has never done before). My mate races a westfield which fits in the trailer quite nicely but i was pretty sure it would have been to tight for the clio (with the cover on), We got this sorted (in the wet) and we were on the way to the bodyshop.
On reaching the bodyshop i first up had to change the wheels on the 172. We had already pre-scouted the width (approximately) and we were 100% sure that with the 8" front wheels and 9" rear wheels the car would not sit in the wheel channels on the trailer. Luckily last week i purchased a set of 172 wheels for my dci, so the dci wheels could slot on the 172 for transporting. With the wheels changed over and ALL of my collection of bits put either in the 172 shell (waterproof bits), in the back of my mates Hilux or in my DCi we were soon on our way.
we then loaded the car onto the trailer and god dam it was tight, i mean real tight, neither of us were expecting how tight, pretty much 0.5mm - 1cm either side of the wheels to the edge of the trailer, and length wise wasn't much better, the car only just sitting on the end of the trailer (it did end up bending my mates petrol tank holder), but the car was ratcheted down and final checks were made. My mate at the bodyshop had kindly re-hung the doors and tailgate and bolted the front wings back on for ease of transport. I masking taped around the B pillars to hold the doors and the C pillars to hold the tailgate closed as there was no locks, fixings, rubbers etc etc left in the doors or tailgate. At this point this seemed ok, so we made our way...in the pouring rain...
Not long into the journey i started thinking about the doors and tailgate held by the masking tape, then thinking about how wet it was, then thinking about how sh*t masking tape is..... I was looking for layby's to pull in to address this in some way, constantly looking in my rear view mirror at my mate towing behind me... Before i could find a place to pull over and at a traffic lighted junction where we were turning right i checked my mirror only to see my mate turning and the passenger side door of the clio wide open.... luckily there was a driveway straight after so i pulled in and my mate followed. also lucky that by this time we were in the countryside so no people to hit.... My friend had no idea why we were stopping as the door was in his blind spot when turning, We soon found some ratchet straps and in the pooring rain strapped the doors and tailgate, the whole car was soaked by this point and we had only been on the road 10 mins... but nowt we could do and we made our way again,
It had me worried for the rest of the journey, constantly checking my mirrors for swinging doors and to see if all was well. I needn't of worried, all was well and we proceeded on home at a steady pace, although it did seem to take forever... Upon getting home, the car was removed from the trailer, all the gubbins from car/dci and truck were unloaded and then reloaded in an ordered mess inside the 172 before it was strategically placed right up against the wall in my pre-cleared garage... and this is its resting place for now.
It will probably stay there in that state until myself and my partner relocate, unsure yet... we will see, either its THE BEGINNING OF THE END? or THE START OF A NEW BEGINNING?
Its too good a shell to scrap, what with the cage and all. If it was me in your shoes I'd have to make the compromise, deviate from the original build and get it back on the road.
Circumstances and budget have changed therefore the build has to change, for now. Mine has been going on for 5 years on and off now, same game plan as ever but mega tight budget. Can be depressing looking at how so many people on here seem to think of nothing of chucking a few grand at their cars and I'm sitting here wondering how to pay for the wheel refurb I've not long comitted to!
Have you sat down and read this thread from the beginning recently? Look how tidy it was, and it can be again Neil! Stop modding the DCi and squirrel that money away for this!
Circumstances and budget have changed therefore the build has to change, for now. Mine has been going on for 5 years on and off now, same game plan as ever but mega tight budget. Can be depressing looking at how so many people on here seem to think of nothing of chucking a few grand at their cars and I'm sitting here wondering how to pay for the wheel refurb I've not long comitted to!
Have you sat down and read this thread from the beginning recently? Look how tidy it was, and it can be again Neil! Stop modding the DCi and squirrel that money away for this!
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
its not that great a shell anymore, its straight yeah but the panels are a little beaten up now. Nothing will be happening on this for a while, that decision has been made anyways. I totally agree with what you are saying about seeing others chucking £££ at there projects, as i have said previously i have a lot of gucci parts here but i could no way have got this far if it wasn't for my time on FC, (one of only few things i can thank that job for...lol). it would be a shame to waste that opportunity now.
As for seeing how tidy it was, i can well remember, (i don't need to look back). It was a couple years pack when it was my pride and joy and was sat pride of place up at the autosport show getting plenty of attention. As for modding the DCi, not sure where you get that idea....lol, nothing is getting spent on that unless it needs it, then i am trying to save money anyway possible
its a surprise to me how much room there is actually, as for working on it though, not going to happen (not whilst i live here anyways). with no power in the garage and stupid god dam neighbours i'd rather just leave it.
I think this can only go one way. It's already split, all you'd have to do is start selling some bits on. It was at one point your pride and joy but i think you're not in love as you once were with it.
It would be a real shame to let it go but if you dont have enough time to build it will you have enough time to enjoy the end result when/if you do finish it?
It would be a real shame to let it go but if you dont have enough time to build it will you have enough time to enjoy the end result when/if you do finish it?
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
i am not so sure it will only go one way, it would be easier to break it now for sure, but now its at home there is no pressure to make the decision.
as for time, thats only currently the case due to working away, its not a long term scenario so hopefully that is not a deciding factor
Evo 5 RS
I reckon you'll be much happier now you can just open your garage and chin scratch at it!
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
i do feel slightly better about it just being in the garage, even if it does look extremely sorry for itself.....
Good man! Thats what i like to hear.
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
so cars not been touched for well over a month now,
have been in Canada for 3weeks (which has showed me that i really don't want to be in the UK, its a much better life out there and there culture pretty much encompasses everything i love, am starting to research Visa's etc but it won't be a quick process...) then straight back and back to living/working away from home in the week.
The plan is/was to still sort life first, get a house in MK/the MK area and then move the car here, then decide what to do with it, whether its build or break. We will see as last week had some interesting conversations regarding the car.
CONVO 1:
I caught up with a couple old friends in MK and the car was mentioned, the 2 guys have a fair bit of experience building show and race/track cars and are both from mech/painter backgrounds, they both seem pretty keen to help me progress/finish the build and more importantly they are shortly to have a unit to work in to which they have said about bringing the car too, all very promising...
I will not say who they are as i am sure they will shortly be pushing mech work on here themselves...
CONVO 2:
A call from a mech friend who knows clio's very very well, but won't be known to many on the forum. Having recently left a very popular (for good or bad reasons, delete as appropriate) french tuning company he has now joined a new french tuner (that i am sure, again, will be making an impact on here) he is now looking for a project, he knows the car and has seen it through development a fair bit, he is local so could collect all / as much as he wants...
either way i am in no rush to sort anything, and will just see what happens,
have been in Canada for 3weeks (which has showed me that i really don't want to be in the UK, its a much better life out there and there culture pretty much encompasses everything i love, am starting to research Visa's etc but it won't be a quick process...) then straight back and back to living/working away from home in the week.
The plan is/was to still sort life first, get a house in MK/the MK area and then move the car here, then decide what to do with it, whether its build or break. We will see as last week had some interesting conversations regarding the car.
CONVO 1:
I caught up with a couple old friends in MK and the car was mentioned, the 2 guys have a fair bit of experience building show and race/track cars and are both from mech/painter backgrounds, they both seem pretty keen to help me progress/finish the build and more importantly they are shortly to have a unit to work in to which they have said about bringing the car too, all very promising...
I will not say who they are as i am sure they will shortly be pushing mech work on here themselves...
CONVO 2:
A call from a mech friend who knows clio's very very well, but won't be known to many on the forum. Having recently left a very popular (for good or bad reasons, delete as appropriate) french tuning company he has now joined a new french tuner (that i am sure, again, will be making an impact on here) he is now looking for a project, he knows the car and has seen it through development a fair bit, he is local so could collect all / as much as he wants...
either way i am in no rush to sort anything, and will just see what happens,
Do you have more photos of this golf or a link to a project thread?
Btw Love your clio and your project thread
Clio 172
Car belonged to a guy called Ryan Stewart aka Stanton part of the F6 Squared crew. He doesn't own it any more and I'm not sure if the car still exists or it got broken.
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Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
Thats lovely.
TrackCar & F30 330d
DCi for Daily commuter
VX220 for weekend Toy
172 for long term project
Sounds good, get it bought then Neil!
VX220 for weekend Toy
172 for long term project
Sounds good, get it bought then Neil!
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
are you in a different country boy? or on planet zog?
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
not sure its still called a 172 when its in that many pieces for that long
LOL! Do you even know where all the pieces are?
