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The great tuning debate
- Thread starter MarkM
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is it just me or am i the only one who thinks the clio is quick enough in standard form? 
to be honest i would like to tune till the cows come home but i dont have the money and am a little scared to delve into the engine.
For me its just gonna be breather mods, but fair play to all who makes the clio even more rapid
to be honest i would like to tune till the cows come home but i dont have the money and am a little scared to delve into the engine.
For me its just gonna be breather mods, but fair play to all who makes the clio even more rapid
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
You can't say that!
I've chosen to learn how to drive my Clio properly instead of throwing money at the engine to compensate for my own driving inadequacies...but I'm still an enthusiast 110%
i just think there are other aspects that should be considered, like the people who like to keep their cars in mint condition or people who spend money on the interior/exterior or the people who just generally appreiciate the clio's perfection in standard form
anyone who thinks they are slow or crap are ghey, and those who have them and still think that, are even ghey-er
anyone who thinks they are slow or crap are ghey, and those who have them and still think that, are even ghey-er
Gaz_
ClioSport Club Member
Extreme mode
a fool!!! mwahahahahaaa
ok, maybe my statement was a bit sweeping!
just hate how people make out these cars are slow and/or crap, when theyre blatantly not!
make me one for my cup now!!!!!
i need one that wont bleed my ears
i personally love my cup, and all the 172/182 variants, think they are awsome, i will be getting another. Very sorted cars
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
a fool!!! mwahahahahaaa
ok, maybe my statement was a bit sweeping!
just hate how people make out these cars are slow and/or crap, when theyre blatantly not!
LOL a wee bit of back pedalling there
How come I've never spotted you? I drive through Chichester each and every day. What colour is your 182?
its inferno orange.
does you cup have lots of track graphics on the windows? if so i have seen you once!
otherwise i go to at about 7.15 and come home at 5. i go via Lagness then A27, as i actually live in Bognor now.
lee_cup - maybe thats what i mean, those that spend on thier cars, be it tuning, track days or polish and wax!!
does you cup have lots of track graphics on the windows? if so i have seen you once!
otherwise i go to at about 7.15 and come home at 5. i go via Lagness then A27, as i actually live in Bognor now.
lee_cup - maybe thats what i mean, those that spend on thier cars, be it tuning, track days or polish and wax!!
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Yep, that was me. I've never seen an Inferno Clio in the area though.
I'll keep an eye out, and we can have a friendly standard owner/tuned enthusiast tussle when our paths cross
182cup & 172 racecar
I could nt agree more,the art of driving is worth alot of hp and money and you WILL enjoy your car alot more:approve:
182cup & 172 racecar
BALLS
182 Cup
Modified cars can be one hell of a load of fun. I'd never buy one that's been modified by a previous owner, but I'd be happy to splash out and change a few bits myself - even if it's not the best way to spend money. I wouldn't say that you can pigeon hole people into either enthusiast or not simply because they don't modify their cars. I would count any serious concours car owner as an enthusiast simply because they are so fastidious about the appearance of their vehicle. I also wouldn't say say that everyone who modifies their car is an enthusiast - some will do it simply because the parts can be cheaper than OE (i.e. Vectra drivers).
There isn't a car out there that can't be improved upon - it's just a case of whether the improvements are universally agreed upon which they very rarely are.
There isn't a car out there that can't be improved upon - it's just a case of whether the improvements are universally agreed upon which they very rarely are.
it would be very difficult for me to justify serious (im assuming you just meen engine tuning) engine tuning
eg, i drive a cup, but if i wanted to improve it 4k would get me a trophy instead, or better still i could have bought a DC2
by giving a 182 220bhp, i dont think it would be that much better. I would have rather spent some on suspension, not in the hope it would make me a quicker driver but in the hope i would feel more conected to it.
that said, the only mercades i would want would have an AMG or Brabus badge on it
eg, i drive a cup, but if i wanted to improve it 4k would get me a trophy instead, or better still i could have bought a DC2
by giving a 182 220bhp, i dont think it would be that much better. I would have rather spent some on suspension, not in the hope it would make me a quicker driver but in the hope i would feel more conected to it.
that said, the only mercades i would want would have an AMG or Brabus badge on it
Theres too much emphasis on what you can or could buy car wise, if you spend an equivalent ammount to what you are spending on tuning on another car... I think this has more to do with ownership kudos and status symbols...as has been said many "inferior" cars will PISS on FAR more expensive counter-parts...but they dont have the "appeal".
I used to be of the mind-set of "f**k...£450 for pistons, thats just daft"...I wish I still was TBH! as now, I really dont care what it costs....I rarely consider money a limitation when picking quality goods, so long as I can still pay my bills and eat decent food, I will pay the going rate. I think this is simply because for me its a pure passion....optimising a given set-up. For many others its a case of comprimise, and unfortunately power and quality cost...theres no getting away from that.
Sorry if this is repeating other comments...I havnt read the whole thread!
I used to be of the mind-set of "f**k...£450 for pistons, thats just daft"...I wish I still was TBH! as now, I really dont care what it costs....I rarely consider money a limitation when picking quality goods, so long as I can still pay my bills and eat decent food, I will pay the going rate. I think this is simply because for me its a pure passion....optimising a given set-up. For many others its a case of comprimise, and unfortunately power and quality cost...theres no getting away from that.
Sorry if this is repeating other comments...I havnt read the whole thread!
80MPG BEEZA
sheet i must be a good enthusiast the money i've wasted on my car aswell as an idiot i'll be going onto my 3rd exhaust system in january due to k-tec falling apart (mainly the bad mount) and magnex being a load of utter b*lls so its a yozza system next, anyone want 6x4 magnex system £100? tiz a bargain its about 4 weeks old this one! after being replaced as first one had damaged baffle! anyone>?
Tuning isnt financially sensible in any sense of the word, but who does anything for fun that is financiall sensible?
Isolating cars is just rubbish......i bet all of you who deem tuning wasteful go out and spend stupid money on golf clubs and memberships, mountain bikes that your not good enough to ride, jet skis.........hell, even people who collect trainers and spend a fortune.
Fun is fun, and what you do for fun is whatever makes you giggle.
Cant imagine how many of you lot are sitting here on a 2.5k computer so you can play world of warcraft on full resolution.
I'd happily spend 25k extra on a clio if i had the spare cash.
Privateers that race.......hundreds of thousands in serious championships.........all for what?...........it took Mat Neal how long to get a factory seat and he'll never get the money he spent back.
Isolating cars is just rubbish......i bet all of you who deem tuning wasteful go out and spend stupid money on golf clubs and memberships, mountain bikes that your not good enough to ride, jet skis.........hell, even people who collect trainers and spend a fortune.
Fun is fun, and what you do for fun is whatever makes you giggle.
Cant imagine how many of you lot are sitting here on a 2.5k computer so you can play world of warcraft on full resolution.
I'd happily spend 25k extra on a clio if i had the spare cash.
Privateers that race.......hundreds of thousands in serious championships.........all for what?...........it took Mat Neal how long to get a factory seat and he'll never get the money he spent back.
I think thats the most sence we need to justify tunning cars.
Would you honestly spend £25k on a Clio though Ben given the choice? (assuming its not allowed to be a demo car etc just a private car). If so what wouyld you spend it on?
Would i?
Yea..........i've currently spent about 10k on my 1982 MK1 fiesta and it still has a stock engine in it!
I have more fun on the odd days that it would be used in anger than the lads who spend £200 every weekend at clubs.....which over a year is 10k........and all they get for it is cirrhosis and chlamydia.
Yea..........i've currently spent about 10k on my 1982 MK1 fiesta and it still has a stock engine in it!
I have more fun on the odd days that it would be used in anger than the lads who spend £200 every weekend at clubs.....which over a year is 10k........and all they get for it is cirrhosis and chlamydia.
£10 repairing it or making it better? (not meant as an insult to Fords)
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
LOL... so true Ben, so true.
lol, yes......replacing the front panel, some minor repairs to inner wings, boot floor, drivers floor, sills, fibreglass bonnet and boot, 21 point cage (fiestas are made of jelly), all new suspension pickup points and geometry, new design rear axle, respray, grp2 racing arches, 8x13" wheels, leda suspension.........etc etc.
Engine wise..........there will be alot to do aswell, i'm too lazy to move away from the crossflow, so it'll be supercharged and pulling through a carb just to make it spicy.
Chocolate Bar™
tbh this debate is pretty much what ive been toying with myself. i have a 172, and i could spend 4k on the engine getting ITB which would ultimately make me very happy indeed. however 4k on a 4k car really doesnt make any sense, which is why i think i will go down the route of 'mild' engine modification. exhaust, remap, manifold matching etc. as its still going to give me the satisfaction of modding my car and making it drive and feel better whilst still not being totally obsene amounts of money.
i know people say that the whole point of modding a clio is so that it'd be faster is great, but with the 4k i could spend i could buy so much stuff that would put a smile on my face.
i know people say that the whole point of modding a clio is so that it'd be faster is great, but with the 4k i could spend i could buy so much stuff that would put a smile on my face.
Nippy white cup
I would also love to spend masses of money on my Cup but it is very quick for the minimal mods I have (not even bothering with cams) and I would rather spend the cash on trackdays.
Mods to mine
182 manifold (got for free and fitted for £70!)
Powerflow exhaust and cat removed (£262)
Polished inlet but not matched (£0)
Chipwizards remap (£400)
BMC air filter and CAF (£170)
Eibach sportlines (£140 iirc)
Cobra Suzuka (£350 + std seats for the pair)
Now it is stripped out and semi slicks + yozza pads to go on. It was my 1st real track day at Oulton and the general view from passengers was it was a flyer (and I would hardly consider myself a great driver) so it goes to show you don't need to spend daft amounts to get a good, quick car. Fair enough against something like Yozzas I wouldn't even see which way he went but against a similar driver in a std car I think the difference would be quite big
Chris
Mods to mine
182 manifold (got for free and fitted for £70!)
Powerflow exhaust and cat removed (£262)
Polished inlet but not matched (£0)
Chipwizards remap (£400)
BMC air filter and CAF (£170)
Eibach sportlines (£140 iirc)
Cobra Suzuka (£350 + std seats for the pair)
Now it is stripped out and semi slicks + yozza pads to go on. It was my 1st real track day at Oulton and the general view from passengers was it was a flyer (and I would hardly consider myself a great driver) so it goes to show you don't need to spend daft amounts to get a good, quick car. Fair enough against something like Yozzas I wouldn't even see which way he went but against a similar driver in a std car I think the difference would be quite big
Chris
Chocolate Bar™
as other people have said everyone has hobbies,i know people who pay 2k for a fishing rod and i know other people who will spend a few grand on clothes at a time,i for one enjoy modifying and as long as i've paid the mortgage and i've saved a bit its up to me what i do with the rest,and yes i could buy an evo but it wont be £800 to insure and it wont do 30 odd to the gallon
Clio 172 mk2
The thing is no matter what you do to it and and fast as it is it's still NOT a Porsche.
It's not all about speed...it's about teh quality of the car and owning something that little bit special.
What does it matter what badge is on the back if it gives you a grin from ear to ear???
Ben....loving the computer analogy
Clio 172 mk2
What does it matter what badge is on the back if it gives you a grin from ear to ear???
Ben....loving the computer analogy
I didn't mention badges but now you do I think Renault have a pretty bad image for reliablity etc.
Looks to me like you did...."its still NOT a porsche"
There will always be another car which is faster or more bang per buck so it's not really worth getting flustered about. Tuning a car is more often than not a complete money pit but so is p1ssing money away on beer. Its all about what gives the most enjoyment out of your hard earned cash :approve:
Ben, your arguement is flawed and all over the place, make you mind up, as your using car examples that are proving your arguement the other way
M3 being the case in point. £18k for a high miler, yet I bought my Clio for f**k all in comparison and i've pulled a good couple of cars on one 2 up I might add from 40-140mph... so imo that's money well spent. I could get a Scooby with similar power output on the road, but it would cost loads more and wouldn't surprise the owner as much.
If tuning cars is pointless then you may as well argue that buying a faster car also is, as the relative performance wont be that much more than the previous car you have just upgraded from... so what's the point spending even more? you can argue a case for and against both, at the end of the day it comes down to personal choice.
