The New Fiesta ST!

[ch!ppen]

Lacks so much excitement! Lol at everyone comparing it to the 200. The 200 isn't special because of it's power, it's the whole package. I bet this will be heavier than originally speculated, and another 'nothing' car like the current ST.

Ford's are generally good handling car's though are they not? So IF it handle's good and has around about the same sort of power as a Clio it'll be a good package whilst being better built and cheaper.

Win, win?

 

[chris_p]

Wut? How can anyone possibly predict this? Have you driven it?

Ford's are generally good handling car's though are they not? So IF it handle's good and has around about the same sort of power as a Clio it'll be a good package whilst being better built and cheaper.

Win, win?

My personal excitement I should say..

With all of this 'good build quality' comes weight, thus the driver will suffer as a consequence. So not really win win no!

It's catered for the masses, and I'd imagine little thought has actually gone into making it a drivers car apart from mapping the ecu to produce more power. I'd love to be proved otherwise, I really would.

 

[silentsnake]

f**k's sake that car looks utterly s**t!

My feelings exactly. shame, I wanted to like it :dapprove:

 

[dmallett]

it looks like it has driven into a bin bag, then it melted on.

its horrid.

 

[Munson]

My personal excitement I should say..

With all of this 'good build quality' comes weight, thus the driver will suffer as a consequence. So not really win win no!

It's catered for the masses, and I'd imagine little thought has actually gone into making it a drivers car apart from mapping the ecu to produce more power. I'd love to be proved otherwise, I really would.

Hmmm. So it's lighter than the 200 with the around the same power and a lot more torque, but too heavy? You may be right about what you imagine, but the odds are against it. Ford are very unlikely to release the final package if they are not confident of its abilities.

Where do you get this impression that they will release a half-thought car in terms of driver appeal? Do you have any experience to enforce this? Serial question. It can't be based on the previous ST, as that was a better drive than a 182.

I'm not saying that it will be better than the 200. Odds are it wont be as a track machine. The point is that we just don't know. You seem pretty confident that it's going to be some numb, understeering boat. I'm wondering where you're getting this idea from. Is it from experience of modern Fords, or is it just a throwaway Renault fanboy assumption?

 

[chris_p]

Hmmm. So it's lighter than the 200 with the around the same power and a lot more torque, but too heavy? You may be right about what you imagine, but the odds are against it. Ford are very unlikely to release the final package if they are not confident of its abilities.

Where do you get this impression that they will release a half-thought car in terms of driver appeal? Do you have any experience to enforce this? Serial question. It can't be based on the previous ST, as that was a better drive than a 182.

I'm not saying that it will be better than the 200. Odds are it wont be as a track machine. The point is that we just don't know. You seem pretty confident that it's going to be some numb, understeering boat. I'm wondering where you're getting this idea from. Is it from experience of modern Fords, or is it just a throwaway Renault fanboy assumption?

The cars weight is yet to be confirmed..

Ok, my point was not entirely focussed on the fezza st, more a general bash at modern warm/hot hatchbacks. But lets be honest, it's not going to set the world alight.
As a petrol head, I can't help but feel it's all going the wrong way.

As stated earlier, I would genuinely like to be proved wrong!

I disagree on the previous St being better than the 182 though lol, but you would say that! I fear you may have been molested by a Renault employee at some point post 182 ownership

 

[Gally]

Chris have you ever driven a Ford?

It actually sounds like you haven't!

Fat non drivers car does not say Ford! Their chassis' have been setting the benchmark in their respective classes for years.

It's hard not to come across as a fanboi when you're so wrong. Don't compare other diluted hatches to a car that hasn't been released yet.

I didn't understand the Ecu map comment either. Ford use different engines in all their range. This one is not used in any other Fiesta so again I don't understand the Ecu comment.

If you read the op the projected weights even adding 100kg onto the zetec-s it's still lighter than a non cup 200. 163bhp/ton possibly more.

 

[The Boosh!]

Clio 4 will be released by the time that comes out.

Will be interesting to see what the journo's think of the new clio. Hopefully it's up to its brothers standards in terms of putting a smile on your face.

 

[DrR]

Only experiance I have of fords is the work bog standard disel on steelies, and it's an epic handling machine, driving posisition pisses on the clio to.

Had a quick go in my mates Zetec S, pisses on the 182 for gearchange and driving position.

 

[Brian172]

Renault fan boys saying it will be crap, Ford fan boys saying it will be great and defending every Ford ever produced!
Like being in a playground lol.

Anyway, i'm sure it will be an excellent car. Power sounds modest (by todays standards) but will have good torque.
The chassis will no doubt be very good.
Price sounds good, too many mediocre hatches demanding too high a price tag tbh.

 

[chris_p]

Chris have you ever driven a Ford?

It actually sounds like you haven't!

Fat non drivers car does not say Ford! Their chassis' have been setting the benchmark in their respective classes for years.

It's hard not to come across as a fanboi when you're so wrong. Don't compare other diluted hatches to a car that hasn't been released yet.

I didn't understand the Ecu map comment either. Ford use different engines in all their range. This one is not used in any other Fiesta so again I don't understand the Ecu comment.

If you read the op the projected weights even adding 100kg onto the zetec-s it's still lighter than a non cup 200. 163bhp/ton possibly more.

Yes, and they're by no means as exceptional as some people are making out on here! Ford fanboys like their little blue badge don't they..

The best ones I've personally driven are my brothers 1.7 puma, and a mates mk5 fiesta zs, they share the same chassis and it's spot on imo.
I've also driven a whole range of boring fords! Another mate has a mk6 fiesta zs tdci, it's well screwed together, but I wasn't blown away with the handling, the mk5 was far better.

I thought my point regards the engine was a clear one; it's not been designed specifically for this car has it! It's from the C max, which is essentially a people carrier...doesn't get much more devoted than that!

I'm not set on the focus st either, it's just another lardy hatchback. Good engine yes, but it just doesn't tickle my balls. Perhaps the problem is that I expect more of the 'ST' range, who knows!

I've said my bit so I'll leave it there

 

[Jaff]

the eco boost engine wasn't taken from the c-max specifically, the ecoboost range of engines was designed as just that a range of engines to be fitted to most models, the mondeo and c-max got the 1.6 ecoboost that the same time, they just mention the c-max as it came out before the focus, you could say the old zetec s diesel got the engine out the c-max as the c-max was released first with it.
But it wont be the same as the c-max engine, to make that power they'd put a different turbo on it and manifold, different mapping etc, so it'll be more based on the generic engine and unique to the fiesta, same as the focus ST's 2.0 ecoboost is based on the one in the mondeos, but it'll have more power and only fitted to the st. (until they fit it briefly to the kuga and mondeos and s-max's for a laugh, like the did the old volvo t5 lump)

 

[mini_nick]

Just thought id share this pic I took of the ST at the ring last week

We were sharing the track with it in the public session and it did seem to go very well! I don't think they stopped lapping the ring the whole time we were there!

Im also a fan of the Fiesta's - I had two 1.25 zetecs back in the day , also if it handles anything like the 11 year old focus I sold recently it will be a winner!

 

[alex-avfc]

I think matters that can almost be taken as a given are that it will have a sweet gearchange, good handling and nicely weighted steering as per pretty much every Ford in the last 10 years.

If theres any one area you usually can't knock a Ford, it's on the basic drive.

 

[Munson]

LOl at being molested by a Renault employee post ownership. No but being treated like a c**t for five years during ownership may have rubbed of slightly.

It's ok though. This thread was only ever going to go one way. A selection of people saying it could be good, and a selection of people saying it'll be s**t before they've ever sat in it. Clios FOREVAR1111

 

[SOHROB]

This may be out at the end of the year, i work for Ford and the last time i was down at Loughborough this came up. They toyed with the idea if using the 2.0 ecoboost which powers the mondeo and will be in the new focus st but were concerned prospective buyers will remap the car and it couldnt handle the power.

Styling wise it should be a mix of zetec s and wrc, going to order this as a demo when its finally here!!!

 

[SC03OTT]

This may be out at the end of the year, i work for Ford and the last time i was down at Loughborough this came up. They toyed with the idea if using the 2.0 ecoboost which powers the mondeo and will be in the new focus st but were concerned prospective buyers will remap the car and it couldnt handle the power.

Styling wise it should be a mix of zetec s and wrc, going to order this as a demo when its finally here!!!

Surely the real reason is that it would be almost stepping on the toes of the Focus ST. Why should Ford care that the car might not be able to handle and extra 30bhp in standard form, after a remap? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just can't understand the reasoning behind that.

 

[SOHROB]

No becuase it would have only been in 200 bhp guise, look at seat for example they had the 1.8t in the ibiza and leon just at different power levels.

This is what i was told by one of the product designers.

 

[rctempire]

Interesting thread this actually.

Having driving ford and renault. Both cars are totally different, offer different experiences.

Thats how i think it can be summed up.

ST looks like the newer shape fords, which i personally havent been fond off. The 2.0l does sound fun, but think it wont be a "clio" killer, but never know, could well be. Only time will tell.

 

[Aluco]

It's s**t. I decided.

 

[Aluco]

LOl at being molested by a Renault employee post ownership. No but being treated like a c**t for five years during ownership may have rubbed of slightly.

It's ok though. This thread was only ever going to go one way. A selection of people saying it could be good, and a selection of people saying it'll be s**t before they've ever sat in it. Clios FOREVAR1111

Ford FOREVAR1111!

 

[Gally]

Is that Asian Roy?

Ford <3 all.

Emo/

 

[Alastair.]

Another ford, your in the pub, " what car do you drive?" "a ford fiesta" lol. Only ford ive ever liked is the saphire cosworth and escort cosworth. ive worked on a few fords, do not like.

 

[Aluco]

My parents had a focus once the really old ones, it was terrible and kept breaking down.


Good car though loved it.

 

[Aluco]

Clio*

 

[J67]

Interesting thread this actually.

Having driving ford and renault. Both cars are totally different, offer different experiences.

Thats how i think it can be summed up.

ST looks like the newer shape fords, which i personally havent been fond off. The 2.0l does sound fun, but think it wont be a "clio" killer, but never know, could well be. Only time will tell.

Not read through the whole thread so apoligies if wrong but aren't these going to be 1.6 Turbo's? Similar to the Corsa VXR? Was told this by a mate of mine whos been looking in to these - don't know the truth in it though.

 

[Stan.]

Was up at Henry Ford College on Monday, the Fiesta ST will have 180bhp from a 1.6 ecoboost engine.

Also they are bringing back a 3 dr coupe which may or may not be called the Capri! Should be interesting.

 

[SOHROB]

So you have been talking with the south african at Ford? The fact the designer of the capri is now one of the top dogs at Ford may have something to do with this.

 

[Stan.]

It wasn't him who told me but I know who you mean. Mike or Mark Timms? Something like that.

I've heard that about the original designer of the Capri as well, Ford want something to go up against the Scirocco.

 

[Gally]

I can see a coupe at some point. I actually think it's exciting times for Ford.

The success of the FRS will hopefully keep their mind focused and realise there is still a market for fast Flagship Fords.

 

[Scrooge]

A capri should be brilliant but it won't be RWD and it'll probably be as s**t as the cougar lol

 

[Gally]

The cougar was an epic cruiser....

 

[Scrooge]

The cougar was an epic cruiser....

Behave Gally, taking Ford fannage too far

 

[Gally]

Lols! It wasn't a great car. You can buy one for 900 quid these days though!

I think it was meant to be the grown up version of the Puma. Weird time for Ford back then.... the Probe! :quiet:

I remember my dad standing in the Showroom of the peoples garage he ran saying the Probe sitting there in white brand new, cost more than his house.

Think it was 24k at the time. 1995 or something like that.

 

[Scrooge]

Lol at the Probe!!! Probably not as bad lokks wise as the Scorpio but pretty close. I do like the V6s that were in all of them though, all sounded pretty good tbh.

 

[Gally]

Yup.

The Scorpio is surely one of the worst designs ever. They tried to make the Granada modern!

 

[Scrooge]

Seriously good seats though, it was like wafting along in a douvet, I felt like Alladin when I first drove one.

 

[Munson]

The Scorpio looked like it had rolled off the end of the production line and then suffered a massive stroke.

 

[Scrooge]

I thought it looked like a fat Frank Bruno with wheels.

 

[alex-avfc]

My grandad had a scorpio with a 2.9 cosworth engine...LMAO!

If we're talking rubbish Fords, don't forget the Maverick.

Back OT, this new ST is likely to be a corker!