The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

[SharkyUK]

Go back to Castle Court.

It's the court in the middle, right next to the castle. You can't miss it. Bring a laptop.

 

[Darren S]

Fixed it. I must have nudged the 8 pin power at some point last night, reseated it this morning and it powered straight up.

Friendship with liquid cooler is over. Now air cooler is my best friend.
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Ran 30 minutes of Furmark and Cinebench simultaneously, before and after to give some data for comparison. And took the temps while everything was still under 100% load.

The CPU temps predictably increased, mostly due to having the intake sucking hot air directly from the hole in the backplate of the GPU, but going from 52°C to 61°C is more than acceptable.

The GPU on the other hand dropped from 74°C to 65°C, causing a slight increase in core clock speed and promising more headroom for fine tuning later 😎

I think it's pretty safe to say that having a 280mm radiator as an intake was a bit restrictive for the graphics card!

The main reason I've always had my rad top-mounted.

Would it fit in there with the rad and two fans attached to it, up top?

 

[Mr Squashie]

The main reason I've always had my rad top-mounted.

Would it fit in there with the rad and two fans attached to it, up top?

Nah I tried that, turns out my case only supports 140mm fans up top, not fans plus radiator. The top of the motherboard is too close to the top of the case, the rad or fans would interfere whichever way you oriented them.

It's fine though, I need to sell my old system and I was missing a PSU and a CPU cooler, now I'm only missing a PSU, and I've lost no performance from the CPU and the GPU can breathe easier and therefore performs much better. Basically got myself an upgrade by default 🤣

 

[Mr Squashie]

After missing out on all the latest Nvidia tech for the last few years I finally tried using DLSS today. f**king Hell, what sorcery is this?!

I'd been forced to use FSR on Hogwarts Legacy and although it was passable, it wasn't what I'd call an ideal solution.

Played The Last Of Us at 4k earlier, with a mix of high and ultra settings, with DLSS performance enabled and I can't believe how good it looks.

The reason behind buying an Nvidia card over a comparable AMD card was purely the cutting edge tech like ray tracing and DLSS, and tonight has really confirmed that I made the right decision. At 1080p I have zero issue getting the framerates I want, but in order to get the required framerates at 4k I would have had to spend a lot more for an AMD card in order to run the games at native resolution because in my experience FSR simply isn't as good. It's not bad, but it's not the best.

This was native resolution, running between 30-45 fps

And this was DLSS performance preset, getting a v-sync locked 60fps

If I zoom right in I can see some slight aliasing on the DLSS image, but even putting my face near the screen it's imperceptible in real life.

I honestly thought ray tracing was going to be the thing that amazed me with this card, but frankly it's barely noticeable in the games I've tested. Modern baked in lighting, global illumination, and SSR are so good that ray tracing is almost a waste of time. DLSS on the other hand is an absolute game changer.

In future I'm going to experiment with upscaling games using DLDSR and running DLSS at the same time to improve image quality at 1080p without sacrificing framerate like when using the old DSR system.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk 🤣

 

[SharkyUK]

DLSS is cool, but ray/path tracing is the real game changer. 😋

 

[Jonnio]

After missing out on all the latest Nvidia tech for the last few years I finally tried using DLSS today. f**king Hell, what sorcery is this?!

I'd been forced to use FSR on Hogwarts Legacy and although it was passable, it wasn't what I'd call an ideal solution.

Played The Last Of Us at 4k earlier, with a mix of high and ultra settings, with DLSS performance enabled and I can't believe how good it looks.

The reason behind buying an Nvidia card over a comparable AMD card was purely the cutting edge tech like ray tracing and DLSS, and tonight has really confirmed that I made the right decision. At 1080p I have zero issue getting the framerates I want, but in order to get the required framerates at 4k I would have had to spend a lot more for an AMD card in order to run the games at native resolution because in my experience FSR simply isn't as good. It's not bad, but it's not the best.

This was native resolution, running between 30-45 fpsView attachment 1701507
And this was DLSS performance preset, getting a v-sync locked 60fps
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If I zoom right in I can see some slight aliasing on the DLSS image, but even putting my face near the screen it's imperceptible in real life.

I honestly thought ray tracing was going to be the thing that amazed me with this card, but frankly it's barely noticeable in the games I've tested. Modern baked in lighting, global illumination, and SSR are so good that ray tracing is almost a waste of time. DLSS on the other hand is an absolute game changer.

In future I'm going to experiment with upscaling games using DLDSR and running DLSS at the same time to improve image quality at 1080p without sacrificing framerate like when using the old DSR system.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk 🤣

DLSS is cool, but ray/path tracing is the real game changer. 😋

 

[Mr Squashie]

DLSS is cool, but ray/path tracing is the real game changer. 😋

It depends how it's implemented. Quake 2 is insane (which I believe is fully path traced), Hogwarts Legacy was barely noticeable most of the time, Lego Builder's Journey looks great but also looks great using normal lighting and reflections, Metro Exodus looks about the same as usual. Cyberpunk looks great no matter what system is being used, although I don't have the horsepower required for the full path tracing experience so I can't comment on that. Minecraft shaders like PTGI are brilliant.

And DLSS lets you use all these fancy ray tracing things without suffering as much performance loss 😏

Framerate > visuals, always 🫡

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Tried a couple of games with ray tracing. Didn't notice it so I don't bother with it.

DLSS I found even on the highest quality settings made the image quality worse. FSR3.0 was better but still not as good as native. So again I don't bother.

 

[Mr Squashie]

Tried a couple of games with ray tracing. Didn't notice it so I don't bother with it.

DLSS I found even on the highest quality settings made the image quality worse. FSR3.0 was better but still not as good as native. So again I don't bother.

I tried DLSS at 1080p and it was horrendous, but at 4k I'm struggling to see a difference with the naked eye. FSR for me seems to have the same ghosting issues as TAA so I avoid it.

I got path tracing working on Cyberpunk by putting all settings on low and enabling DLSS but it looked no better than ultra ray tracing, which looked barely better than the standard game. Think I'll just stick to ultra settings and no upscaling and 140fps instead of 60fps with fancy lighting.

 

[charltjr]

I think it depends how sensitive you to are to the changes in the image, some people seem to “see” it much more than others.

 

[Mr Squashie]

I think it depends how sensitive you to are to the changes in the image, some people seem to “see” it much more than others.

I'll be honest, I notice everything which is why I was so shocked at the DLSS performance in TLOU. It's the only thing I've tried so far though, so maybe I'll be disappointed by other titles. I know it was dogshit in Cyberpunk but I'm chalking that up to being 1080p rather than DLSS having issues.

 

[SharkyUK]

It depends how it's implemented. Quake 2 is insane (which I believe is fully path traced), Hogwarts Legacy was barely noticeable most of the time, Lego Builder's Journey looks great but also looks great using normal lighting and reflections, Metro Exodus looks about the same as usual. Cyberpunk looks great no matter what system is being used, although I don't have the horsepower required for the full path tracing experience so I can't comment on that. Minecraft shaders like PTGI are brilliant.

And DLSS lets you use all these fancy ray tracing things without suffering as much performance loss 😏

Framerate > visuals, always 🫡

Ray tracing can bring so much more to the visuals and, thankfully, is the route that graphics hardware is moving. Given the uplift in performance required to utilise it, it will take a while to get there and it doesn't help that current GPU architecture is still very much about the rasterisation performance (which, of course, it needs to be as pretty much everything out there is about rasterisation and getting those polygons rendered on screen). It's going to be some time before we see fully ray-traced/path-traced (RT/PT) visuals at a decent resolution and at acceptable framerates, but the move towards doing so is beneficial in what it brings to the table. At the moment, we are stuck in the very early stages and RT/PT is used "sparingly" and only to realise certain phenomena (and thus only satisfying a small part of the lighting equation). Hence, we get limited options to enable basic reflections, ray-traced shadows, global illumination (with more than one bounce), and so forth. As noted, the differences aren't always so noticeable - especially to an untrained eye.

Whilst RT/PT has its own set of problems that need to be overcome (especially that need for outright compute performance) it is quite a simple algorithm to implement and would mean that developers could do away with the multitude of smoke and mirror hacks that comprise modern graphics engines. Modern engines still use somewhat simple lighting models and approximations that don't capture the complexity of real-world light interactions. Hence, there is this need for overly complex shaders and "hacks" in order to generate the visuals. Whilst modern [non-RT/PT] visuals are undoubtedly very impressive, the under-the-hood work that is going on is becoming quite a ballache to deal with, difficult to maintain, and scalability can be a big issue (along with the resource demands in terms of VRAM and shifting that data around). However, GPUs in their current form (more or less) have been around for over 3 decades now and, over that time, we have become quite good at working these hacks - to the point where they are fundamental to any modern engine out there that you care to mention. I think, in 30 years, RT/PT will be in a much better place. 🤣 It is the future and it is the direction that graphics hardware is moving in, but it is going to take time and folks will continue to bash and lament the technology in the meantime! 🤣

 

[mace¬]

Quick question on what my options are and how I go about fixing this....

Got to the last stage of building the sim rig but mounting the monitor......

This is what I have to work with....

This is the plate GT Omega sent me

Sits well proud above the monitor.



Can I just pack it with washers and mount? or should I really buy a different mounting plate? or is there another aleternative?

 

[Rojer]

Get a smaller vesa mount then you might be able to fit the C/U shaped bracket to mount to the frame/stand.

 

[mace¬]

Get a smaller vesa mount then you might be able to fit the C/U shaped bracket to mount to the frame/stand.

Cheers, is VESA mount the correct name then?

I can confirm a 48" TV does not have enough clearance for the GT Omega rig monitor mount

 

[Jonnio]

I'd space out with these things if it's not too ridiculous. I've bought a couple of TV mounts this month and they had similar thrown in.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0CFZY69P2?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

 

[mace¬]

I'd space out with these things if it's not too ridiculous. I've bought a couple of TV mounts this month and they had similar thrown in.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0CFZY69P2?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Good shout actually, pretty sure I kept everything from the last tv bracket I bought. I'll dig it out.

 

[Ray Gin]

ROG Ally extreme on sale. I’ve never seen it this low

https://www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal-from-app/4380849

 

[charltjr]

They must be shifting stock now the new one's out.

Bloody hell that's tempting though, I know it has an issue with frying SD cards but still.

 

[Ray Gin]

I only use mine when travelling but it’s been great for me, especially with 2TB storage.

 

[Mr Squashie]

 

[R3k1355]

How would you respond to that?

My TV remote has more grunt.

 

[Cookie]

How would you respond to that?

My TV remote has more grunt.

Judging by the Android layout/theme its at least 15 years old 😂

 

[Wilkeh]

Great build day yesterday, everything working an absolute treat (well, apart from the rear exhaust fan which is completely dead no matter which header we use).
The nephew is over the moon and hasn't been off it since. He's 12 so not bad for a first PC!

My build had loads of teething problems at first as DDR5 was so new, this has been faultless. I don't think I could get mine to post for a full day when I did it a couple of years ago, this was straight up. Also a cracking card from @Ph1 Tom with the custom cooling, runs super cool and quiet, didn't go over 50c on 3DMark

Full specs -

AMD Ryzen 5 7600x
MSI Pro B650-S MB Wifi
Arctic Freezer Cooler
32GB Crucial Pro DDR5 6000mhz
AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT GPU with custom cooling
WD Blue 2TB M2
MSI Mag Force 320R case with RGB fans
White cables from OCUK
Corsair RM750e

Samsung Odyssey G5 monitor - 27" 1440p 165hz
Corsair K55 keyboard
Logitech G435 headset
Logitech G305 wireless mouse
Corsiar MM100 mouse mat


I set myself a budget of £1,200 and it ALL came in at £1,227. Prime day helped quite a bit to be fair, managed to shave a bit off from there and I did cut back on peripherals as he can upgrade his own in the future.

Enjoy little man!

 

[Wilkeh]

Would have been nearly £1,500 if Tom didn't sort me out with a bargain GPU though. What a legend, thanks mate! Very happy indeed

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Would have been nearly £1,500 if Tom didn't sort me out with a bargain GPU though. What a legend, thanks mate! Very happy indeed

You're very welcome mate. I remember the excitement of being 12 and getting an awesome PC you can watch por... I mean play the latest games in all their glory.

 

[ChrisR]

I did cut back on peripherals as he can upgrade his own in the future.

I’ve been using a g305 mouse for years and it’s been so good.

 

[Wilkeh]

I’ve been using a g305 mouse for years and it’s been so good.

Bargain to be fair mate! Was £30 on Amazon during Prime day

 

[seb]

 

[Geddes]

I'm getting notifications from Microsoft on my desktop saying my PC isnt suitable for Windows 11 but will continue to do updates and that till 2025. So does this mean it's best to get new pc as it'll be 8 years old next year Feburary

 

[R3k1355]

Possibly, although I get told mine isn't suitable for windows 11 and it wasn't built that long ago.

 

[Willo40]

Mine is less than 2 years old and it wouldn't update to windows 11 until i enabled TPM.

 

[Daz...]

If it runs Windows 10 then it’ll run Windows 11 (with some workarounds that Microsoft have even said to use).

 

[Wilkeh]

Does anybody know anyone who's after a large desk?

I'm selling my old one but it is pretty massive. It's one of those large corner ones -

I really need the space so want it gone Cost me like £350 new but I'll take £50 for it to clear the room

 

[mace¬]

The Acer monitor I have only has one DPI port and I'm using the single HDMI port on the graphics card for the cheapo TV I'm currently running on the SIM rig,

Is there a decent DPI splitter I can get so I can swap my monitor from my work laptop to the PC? Hopefully without losing to much quality.

 

[charltjr]

DP is fully digital, so you shouldn’t lose any quality by using a switch box.

I’d just pick up something well reviewed from Amazon, they’re cheaper on AliExpress but much easier to do an Amazon return if needed.

 

[mace¬]

DP is fully digital, so you shouldn’t lose any quality by using a switch box.

I’d just pick up something well reviewed from Amazon, they’re cheaper on AliExpress but much easier to do an Amazon return if needed.

Thank you, I was looking for something like Belkin etc but didn't seem to pop up. I'll just Amazon it.

 

[Krarl]

Upgraded to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, MSI X670E, 32GB DDR4 7200MHz and a Noctua DH-15 Chromax

I'll have my old Ryzen 7 5800X, ASUS TUF B550M, Cryorig H7 and 64GB DDR4 for sale if anyone is looking to upgrade slightly

£300, have all the boxes apart from the Adata RAM box

 

[The Psychedelic Socialist]

Upgraded to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, MSI X670E, 32GB DDR4 7200MHz and a Noctua DH-15 Chromax

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I'll have my old Ryzen 7 5800X, ASUS TUF B550M, Cryorig H7 and 64GB DDR4 for sale if anyone is looking to upgrade slightly

£300, have all the boxes apart from the Adata RAM box

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Love me a big Noctua.

My old NH-D14 is still going strong after 12 years, only needing a free adaptor to fit my AM4 socket.

 

[SharkyUK]

Upgraded to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, MSI X670E, 32GB DDR4 7200MHz and a Noctua DH-15 Chromax

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I'll have my old Ryzen 7 5800X, ASUS TUF B550M, Cryorig H7 and 64GB DDR4 for sale if anyone is looking to upgrade slightly

£300, have all the boxes apart from the Adata RAM box

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Noctua, cool that thang.

I might know someone who'd be interested in your old rig. I'll drop him a message... 👍