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Megane Trophy, Golf
Funny how everythings changing in 2012!! The new world order
it can rain on sunny days too :lolup:
182 Cup
does anyone know what the 'facts/figures' behind the justification for this are? something to do with the minimal tread pattern?
ed. that sounds a bit woolly - i mean, how are they going to draw the distinction between track tyres and road tyres?
brake pads next!
Tread depth, compound, pattern, etc. Any number of ways really.
The regulations governing tyres will probably be updated - ECE Regulation 30, 30.01, 30.02 or 54 or of EC Directive 92/23.
Can be found here, but are a chore to read:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs.html
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
I've just read this in evo too
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
I'm sure there'll still be the facility to use them on track. Anyone that read about the R26R going off on that island can't honestly believe they are safe for road use IMO.
RS Clio 172
I've just read this in evo too
great issue this month!
172 Cup
i think that ends this thread really!
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
I havent had a problem with them and was there at that meet, i went round that roundabout at a fair lick and had no problems! I used to have a 200bhp kit car on road tyres that was lethal in the wet! Its more down to the driver and the car then the tyres! imo of course!! Nearly slid off the road in my lupo gti the other day and was only going 15mph think i hit some diesel - so many factors and not just the tyres!
i don't think they're sensible for use exclusively as road tyres either, but lots of people will want to wear them on road as they travel to and from events/track days
how do rally cars get about on the (public) link sections? is it going to cause them a problem?
i suppose there's already a distinction in the MSA tyre lists, but can't see the powers-that-be using those
just interested, but guess it's a way off yet
how do rally cars get about on the (public) link sections? is it going to cause them a problem?
i suppose there's already a distinction in the MSA tyre lists, but can't see the powers-that-be using those
just interested, but guess it's a way off yet
Posted this in another thread but found out it was a repost...oh the shame!!! Anyway here is the full story...
TRACKDAY TYRES TO BE OUTLAWED
New safety regulations spell the end for extreme road-legal rubber
New legislation on tyre labelling and accompanying minimum standards to be introduced simultaneously in November 2012 will effectively end the production of road-legal trackday tyres. Tyres likely to be axed include the Dunlop Direzza, Toyo R888 (currently available on the Renaultsport Megane R26.R), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup (Porsche GT3 & GT2) and AVON ACB10 (Caterham), along with a host of others.
The aim of the new regulation is to both raise all-round performance standards and to give buyers a greater understanding of the performance and environmental impact of each particular tyre before purchase. All road-legal tyres will have to display rating figures for rolling resistance (read: fuel efficiency), external noise and wet grip, and while the rating system and minimum levels have yet to be set, it is unlikely that track-biased tyres will be able to pass on all counts.
Tyres manufacturers are currently lobbying the European Parliament, but it will be very difficult for them to make a successful argument for tyres that allow drivers to corner faster in the dry but which offer a significantly lower level of performance the moment the surface becomes damp.
It is expected that trackday tyres will fall foul of the other parameters too, so their demise is something their manufacturers are already preparing for. James Bailed (nice chap!), Dunlop's PR chief, believes it highly unlikely that trackday tyres will continue in their current form, although the company's official position is that these regulations are positive as they will also remove poor performing cheap road tyres from the market (bye bye ditch finders!) In its own braking tests the difference between the best and worst tyres fitted to a Mondeo stopping from 50mph on a wet surface was as much as five car lengths...
Porsche feels it's too early to comment and that at this stage it is still a matter for the tyre companies. Once the regulations have been set, the German car maker will still request an appropriate level of performance from Michelin for its top models.
So what does the future hold? There will still be high-performance tyres made from a race-style compound though they are likely to have regular road-car tread patterns. However, they won't be as fast or responsive as the current crop of trackday tyres, and for those of us who enjoy extra performance and challenge present by thisa specialist rubber that's a real shame.
-------- Originally printed in EVO Magazine Issue 133 --------
TRACKDAY TYRES TO BE OUTLAWED
New safety regulations spell the end for extreme road-legal rubber
New legislation on tyre labelling and accompanying minimum standards to be introduced simultaneously in November 2012 will effectively end the production of road-legal trackday tyres. Tyres likely to be axed include the Dunlop Direzza, Toyo R888 (currently available on the Renaultsport Megane R26.R), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup (Porsche GT3 & GT2) and AVON ACB10 (Caterham), along with a host of others.
The aim of the new regulation is to both raise all-round performance standards and to give buyers a greater understanding of the performance and environmental impact of each particular tyre before purchase. All road-legal tyres will have to display rating figures for rolling resistance (read: fuel efficiency), external noise and wet grip, and while the rating system and minimum levels have yet to be set, it is unlikely that track-biased tyres will be able to pass on all counts.
Tyres manufacturers are currently lobbying the European Parliament, but it will be very difficult for them to make a successful argument for tyres that allow drivers to corner faster in the dry but which offer a significantly lower level of performance the moment the surface becomes damp.
It is expected that trackday tyres will fall foul of the other parameters too, so their demise is something their manufacturers are already preparing for. James Bailed (nice chap!), Dunlop's PR chief, believes it highly unlikely that trackday tyres will continue in their current form, although the company's official position is that these regulations are positive as they will also remove poor performing cheap road tyres from the market (bye bye ditch finders!) In its own braking tests the difference between the best and worst tyres fitted to a Mondeo stopping from 50mph on a wet surface was as much as five car lengths...
Porsche feels it's too early to comment and that at this stage it is still a matter for the tyre companies. Once the regulations have been set, the German car maker will still request an appropriate level of performance from Michelin for its top models.
So what does the future hold? There will still be high-performance tyres made from a race-style compound though they are likely to have regular road-car tread patterns. However, they won't be as fast or responsive as the current crop of trackday tyres, and for those of us who enjoy extra performance and challenge present by thisa specialist rubber that's a real shame.
-------- Originally printed in EVO Magazine Issue 133 --------
I copied that word for word as I couldn't find it on the net. Just means you'll need a set of road legal tyres to get you to the venue or a trailer...I'm sure manufacturers will work around it. Never seen any data on performance of say an R888 vs. T1-R or Michelin PE2 vs. Pilot Cup Sport...I'm not sure how noise is effect by contract area/tread pattern.
If we're all in lighter cars in future I'm sure tyre technology can catch up again.
If we're all in lighter cars in future I'm sure tyre technology can catch up again.
B
Brown.
bye bye ao48's hello run flats lol
hello run flats lol
E30 318iS x2
:headno:
i'm with fenn, there is no point in them at all, will make f**k alll differance any way
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
A bit different from the likes of me though.
I have a dedicated track car that runs 888's and I drive it to track and back again.
If this poxy law comes into place, I've got to spend out on a spare set of road wheels and tyres just to get there and back!!!
Will the R888's make you drive any better? no! the tyres just offer more grip.
Will the level of fun you have on said track day change?i doubt it!
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
My car is COMPLETELY different without those 888's.
Its a s**t law, you cannot argue that.
