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Trophy Project 40/500
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If you don't paint it, you could save even more weight, lol
172 Race Car
When you say it like that it desnt sound too bad, that wont take long, Lol.when i collect the car it's going to the fabricators, seam weld the shell, weld in the door bars, add the additional bracing to the front turrets, rebuild the front turrets to take the subaru top mounts, weld in the strengtheners for a and b pillars,weld up the subframe and back axle.
After all the fab work it's going back down to be re dipped and sent off for coating, before it makes it way back up here for paint
Did you mention how much the acid dipping was? Just out of interest like
182cup & 172 racecar
Got to admire the attention to detail Chris,just bet your itching to start bolting bits back in.
Russ Rallye
ClioSport Club Member
Nice one chris, just looks like a ph1 172 in the pics with it being in bare metal (silver). Interested to see pics and more detials on the rear stubs, was something i was considering tbh as i know its been done on other cars with a similar setup.
Russ
Russ
Russ, here's a machined rear stub axle, it's been machined to a 2 degree negative camber.
Once i've built the car back up and found out the run out on the rear axle, i'll then get them machined to 3 degrees negative.
One thing to consider though, is for each 1mm you machine off the top, you'll bring the top of the tyre 10mm closer to the damper, so while camber shims may no longer be required, a straight shim could be.
It's sounds a daft way of getting the camber, but by the time you've fitted them for toe too, you'll probably get back what you've lost
Once i've built the car back up and found out the run out on the rear axle, i'll then get them machined to 3 degrees negative.
One thing to consider though, is for each 1mm you machine off the top, you'll bring the top of the tyre 10mm closer to the damper
, so while camber shims may no longer be required, a straight shim could be.It's sounds a daft way of getting the camber, but by the time you've fitted them for toe too, you'll probably get back what you've lost
Things are starting to progress now, Tuesday i collected the shell from the dippers, but due to work commitments on Wednesday, the shell just sat there waiting for attention
Anyway i've spent the today at the Fabricators, and we've got quite a bit done, probably 1 or 2 days work remaining.
1st off here's the shell before we started, ignore what looks like rust marks, there a combination of things, and will disappear once the shell is re dipped, then it's rust treated, and finally it goes of for E-coating.
Seam welding around the rear turrets
Front Bulkhead seam welding
Welding to the underside of the new front turrets
More seam welding under the shell
I'll get some more pictures up tomorrow as the fabrication work continues
Anyway i've spent the today at the Fabricators, and we've got quite a bit done, probably 1 or 2 days work remaining.
1st off here's the shell before we started, ignore what looks like rust marks, there a combination of things, and will disappear once the shell is re dipped, then it's rust treated, and finally it goes of for E-coating.
Seam welding around the rear turrets
Front Bulkhead seam welding
Welding to the underside of the new front turrets
More seam welding under the shell
I'll get some more pictures up tomorrow as the fabrication work continues
The Boosh!
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Elise, Duster
Epic!
Some of a Clio 1.8 16v
This thread is just awesome i'd have loved to have known where my project was going at an early enough point to have realised how much acid dipping would've helped. Theres something so very exciting about seeing a project like this coming together so please keep the updates coming in as much detail as you like
182cup & 172 racecar
Chris,can't help noticing but the seam welding looks like its been welded all along chassis etc..
When we used to do the rally cars(many years ago)we were advised not to do this as the shell still needed some flexibility,so even it was called seam welding it was welded 2 inches leave 1 inch and so on.
Shell looks good,bet that was easy welding that with nice clean metal.
When we used to do the rally cars(many years ago)we were advised not to do this as the shell still needed some flexibility,so even it was called seam welding it was welded 2 inches leave 1 inch and so on.
Shell looks good,bet that was easy welding that with nice clean metal.
Yeah Tony, were it's welded we have fully welded it, but there is a few sections that are un welded, it's mainly been the high load areas.
We did speak to a few people about stitch welding and there seemed to be mixed reveiws, so we opted for fully welding the seams in high load areas.
Chris
We did speak to a few people about stitch welding and there seemed to be mixed reveiws, so we opted for fully welding the seams in high load areas.
Chris
clio
ive seen the car in the flesh now
epic project chris
and as i said earlier, you must be mad
epic project chris
and as i said earlier, you must be mad
182cup & 172 racecar
Ok just that on the old Escorts the windscreen used to crack over a jump if fully welded.
Yeah i think that's were the confusion comes in, for Rally cars it was advised that weld one miss one would be beneficial due to the flex required due to the surface, lumps and bumps that the car would have to endure.
But for circuit use, i was advised that a fully seamed shell would be better, but without the need to go over the top and weld every seam, Mainly concentrate on the high load areas.
I suppose i'll just have to wait and see
182cup & 172 racecar
I am sure it will be fine.
No Paul, I never got round to weighing it, the garage is full of work gear, so i couldn't get the weighscale out
But i reckon around 20kg's has been lost in the seam sealer and underseal, by this time tomorrow, we'll have replaced that 20kg's loss with welding wire and steel
Hoping to have the shell back in my garage by the end of November.
I've just done another search for the seam welding Tony, just want to make sure i've not read and been told is not duff information
It turns out what i said above is pretty true for a lot of cars, although there is now a few builders out there that fully weld rally cars :S
using the argument that flex can cause fatigue failures over time and that by fully welding the seams they have eliminated this. I suppose it could just be a case of each to their own. I know prodrive used to stitch their cars.
Russ Rallye
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Looking good so far chriss, was going to say about the seam welding, i know my leon is just stitched and not fully welded. Thing is what happens if you start having issues when its back together, gonna be pretty difficult to rectify and be a shame to see the amount of work go into it be wasted, bit nerve racking.
Russ
Russ
Ha.
Looking good chris, what 'white' are you going for....? Renault code or some other?
Not Sure Jord, as far as i'm concerned white is white (within reason) but i think the bodyshop said they'd use a Renault white.
Looking forward to the end of next month when it will be back in garage
) but i think the bodyshop said they'd use a Renault white.Looking forward to the end of next month when it will be back in garage
Back to the Fabricators for another day of shell preparation
Today was mainly a case of sealing the bulkhead from the engine bay and fit the extra cage and door bars.
1st off the bulkhead plates were welded in
Then weld in the extra cage bracing at the front
Then the passenger door bars
And then the drivers door bars (still a bit of work required with these)
And that's it for today, a couple of hours tomorrow and the car will be ready to go back for dipping again, this is a few more of how it stands at the minute.
Today was mainly a case of sealing the bulkhead from the engine bay and fit the extra cage and door bars.
1st off the bulkhead plates were welded in
Then weld in the extra cage bracing at the front
Then the passenger door bars
And then the drivers door bars (still a bit of work required with these)
And that's it for today, a couple of hours tomorrow and the car will be ready to go back for dipping again, this is a few more of how it stands at the minute.
182cup & 172 racecar
Very good.
Just finished of the shell this morning, it's now ready to go back to the dippers on Monday morning
Here's how it stands at the moment.
Here's how it stands at the moment.
clio
is that my tube in the driver side door bar ??
is that my tube in the driver side door bar ??
No way :nono: I'm using 40mm not that huge gas pipeline you brought down :rasp:
You do realise a full cage made out of that will weigh nearly as much as the Titanic did
like for like that tubing is almost twice as heavy as what i used.
clio
No way :nono: I'm using 40mm not that huge gas pipeline you brought down :rasp:
You do realise a full cage made out of that will weigh nearly as much as the Titanic did
like for like that tubing is almost twice as heavy as what i used.
back to the drawing board
40mm x 2.5mm??
