V6 questions

[knoxville]

Hello

After playing in Evos for years i've come round to the idea of getting a V6 again I bought a V6 private plate 7 years ago with the intention of getting one but decided otherwise. Having done as much as I wanted to in the Evo I fancy a change.

I've had a quick search but wanted some more recent opinions.

Are the Mk1's as 'snappy' as people say compared to the MK2?
Engine differences, what makes the 30 hp difference?

I've wasted too much on cars in the past years so i'm wondering if a MK1 will do me?

Can they both just be driven hard inc trackdays with regular servicing, etc? any common problems?

Cheers, Gav

 

[Tez.]

dont really have any advice apart from buy a mars red one !

 

[mace¬]

I can't compare a Mk1 to a Mk2 but the handling of the Mk1 is not as bad as the rep, on the road (in the dry) you'll have to be doing something silly to get the back end to go. On a track you do get little to no warning when it is going to go and once its gone you've got to be pretty sharp and a capable driver to bring it back.

The 30hp isn't a major difference as most of that is lost due to the heavier weight, although the Mk2 does have a little more over the Mk1.

Its all preference, I prefer the look of the mk1 and for the use mine gets I wasn't bothered about the extra toys and tidier interior the Mk2 has.

As for trackdays, can't see why with regular servicing it wouldn't stand up to it, but consumables are expensive. Especially Discs. Only common problem is the coils go sometimes but can be fixed by getting the Trophy lot.

 

[Mike_182]

Asking on here is somewhat brave. Whilst several of us frequent these parts, there's a large number of people who harbor an unhealthy 'resentment' for them. No justification, usually having never driven or owned one. v6clio.net is a good stop for v6 stuff - loads of stuff on there.

As for answering your questions, the Mk1 isn't as bad as people say but the Mk2 is most definitely more refined. The interior on the Mk1 is borderline prehistoric in comparison, but it depends what you're after - the 'raw' feeling of the Mk1 makes it more of a tool on the track but you've got to be uber careful because you only get a little warning in comparison to more conventional stuff.

Consumables/trackdays and the sorts - tyres are the killer really. The Mk2 standard fit aren't made any more, and choice is fairly limited. Discs, as Brizzle said, are possibly one of the more expensive 'consumable' parts. Trackdays, it's handy - KWs make it much better apparently but also not particularly cheap to do that. Bodywork is the biggest killer, as panels are obscenely expensive... Engine differences are 'significant' but do-able with money - off the top of my head from 'oldskoolbaby's thread it's mainly inlet, throttle body, airbox. Maybe head, not sure. Gearbox bits were changed as well, is much, much better in the Ph2.

PM if you need any info, but in the 5 months I've had mine (I think? Something like that) I've racked up nearly 5,000 miles and it's been a pleasure all that time...

 

[planetx]

I also had a MK1 for several months, running on KW's.
I came from a 182 and a VX220 Turbo, and found I had to adapt the way I drove.

The Vee ended being a car I cleaned more than I drove, but when driven wanted people to look at it for what it was and very rarely thrashed it.
I carried two spare coils, however never needed them. I also had a custom KTec exhaust to add some "zing" in the sounds department.
If I were to get another then I would love to run it with a OMG exhaust, seriously raises the db inside and outside.

I now drive a P1, and am much more at ease to give it some beans when in the mood.

In hind sight I would love a Vee in the garage for "showing off" and another car for day to day use.

I did come close to the limits on the road "once" not long after owning it, and trust me its a mistake you won't make twice......I was only going 60 mph around the dual carriageway in my town, on a bend I knew very well...........WALLOP.......nearly lost it completely!!!
Vee ownership is a very special thing, and a must have on the list of cars to own - especially if you are a Renault fan.
Coming from an Evo - you have to respect both cars for what they are, don't get back into the Vee and think it can or will drive like and Evo. But expect everyone to start staring at you again, pointing, giving you the thumbs up, getting held up at filling stations with people asking random questions, the steering lock!!!!!!


OLDSKOOLBABY also has some good tuning tips regarding TYRE FOAM.......Brett I will leave that one for you to explain lol

 

[Willliams]

OLDSKOOLBABY also has some good tuning tips regarding TYRE FOAM.......Brett I will leave that one for you to explain lol

Ahhh... memories of a past v6 meet to Rye.. oh how we laughed.. lol

 

[ddouble]

i think mike summed it up pretty well there.

standard vs standard theres basically nothing in it between ph1 and ph2 in terms of straight line speed thanks to the extra 60 odd kgs of the ph2. its the ph2s gearing that makes the biggest difference to acceleration. the gearbox ratios are closer on the ph2.

the inlet plenum and throttle body seems to have the biggest effect on power output difference between the two models. both models are significantly down on book power figures, and exhaust/induction kits have little or no effect to the max power.

change the seats to something lighter and more supportive, get kwv3's set up properly, and a ph2 gearbox and a ph1 will out accelerate and out handle a ph2. extracting more power out of the engine is a very very expensive and unrewarding area to enter.

 

[jamesp24]

Just out of interest what sort of figures do the MK1s make ?

 

[ddouble]

At the fly, generally between 205-220. Ph2's generally between 235-250.

I say generally, just like 1*2's you get the odd good one, but ive never heard of a standard one making actual book power.

 

[Munson]

Asking on here is somewhat brave. Whilst several of us frequent these parts, there's a large number of people who harbor an unhealthy 'resentment' for them. No justification, usually having never driven or owned one.

Such an epic bait0rz. Why would you even write that? No other reason than baiting. I'd have banned you in 2006.

 

[ForceIndia]

Lol. Typical response. 'its great. If you don't agree, you don't understand/can't afford/are in no position to comment'.

 

[Dazza1]

Someone from work his mates got 1 for sale on tempest for cars .co.uk its silver with black wheels on a 02 plate with 29.000 on the clock

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

The only experience I have of them is being around them on track, they aint quick is all I will say! (compared to a 182 that is)

 

[Jamie]

The Mk2 V6 is possibly one of the best looking cars ever imo.

I'd love one and now they're coming down in price a bit the differential between the mk1 and mk2 is not that much.
I've seem some mk2's on PH for £11k not sure how well looked after they are but mk1's stretch to £11k too so maybe something to think about.

I don't really drive my cars to the limit so the handaling wouldn't bother me that much (between mk1 to mk2) I don't think, however coming from a Trophy it may bother me more than I think. It's just the front end, the mk1 doesn't look great but I think the mk2 does.

 

[Wobba]

Great cars. Been thinking about buying one as well. Have a chat with the guys and gals here as well: http://v6clio.net

 

[2 live]

best looking cars ever???


lmfao......jamie...are u taking the piss?

 

[ForceIndia]

The only experience I have of them is being around them on track, they aint quick is all I will say! (compared to a 182 that is)

And? I'd wager a low powered elise could be slower than a 182.

Far too many people on here with limited track time that seem to think being quick is the be all and end all.

 

[2 live]

in a car thats supposed to be quick.....i think its a valid point

 

[Mike_182]

in a car thats supposed to be quick.....i think its a valid point

It's not supposed to be that quick though? It's an 'experience', not a race car.

 

[Mike_182]

Lol. Typical response. 'its great. If you don't agree, you don't understand/can't afford/are in no position to comment'.

Such an epic bait0rz. Why would you even write that? No other reason than baiting. I'd have banned you in 2006.

Not particularly, it's more the fact that despite it being a Clio it seems to be one of the most unwelcome cars on here. It particularly wasn't aimed at you Warren as you've 'experienced' the drive and it did nothing for you - I'm not knocking that, it's the comments from those who haven't even been near one saying that it's slow/ugly/falling to bits/unreliable/panel gaps/whatever that I was referring to, and if you have a brief scan on here you can quickly see what I'm talking about!

Hell, it's even started in this thread!

 

[Mike_182]

And? I'd wager a low powered elise could be slower than a 182.

Far too many people on here with limited track time that seem to think being quick is the be all and end all.

Bingo.

I'm tired of saying it but my old supercharged Exige was ferociously quick. But the most tedious car in the world to live with. I use mine on the road more than I do on a track, and on the road it didn't generate tyre heat of any note, downforce of any quantifiable amount and the only cure for the collossal understeer was a good dose of hell in 2nd gear. Which usually tried to climb trees.

On a road car (which the Clio is) the best thing you can aim for is for entertainment...

 

[Munson]

Hell, it's even started in this thread!

That's why they call it baiting. You got exactly what you wanted

Why do you assume that people with less than positive opinions about the looks, and fit & finish, have never been near one? Classic stuff. Anyway, let's not get into it. You got the responses you were after.

 

[Mike_182]

Why do you assume that people with less than positive opinions about the looks, and fit & finish, have never been near one? Classic stuff. Anyway, let's not get into it. You got the responses you were after.

I'm not suggesting that all people with those opinions haven't been near one, I'm talking about the keyboard warriors that bash that in because someone once told them about their mate who's brother works with someone who used to work in a dealership that had one in...

But you know this, hence why you're baiting for a response...

 

[Jamie]

Blah, blah....

Mike, do you miss the Trophy? For its chuckability. Anything about the way it drove that the V6 doesn't give you? I'd like a V6 but some of these factors do go through my mind.

 

[Willliams]

Blah, blah....

Mike, do you miss the Trophy? For its chuckability. Anything about the way it drove that the V6 doesn't give you? I'd like a V6 but some of these factors do go through my mind.

Hi Jamie, although I have never owned a Trophy, I have had various 1*2's. The driving experience is completely different to any other Clio. The sound for one, weight distribution obviously, ride... You really do need to take a v6 for a long, decent drive to understand quite how different it really is to any other Clio.
Where it may fall short of the Trophy's agility, it more than makes up for it in so many other ways.. I've never had an issue with the handling on my v6 other than it being a little twitchy in the wet, it WILL bite you when you least expect it, so easy on the gas when exiting corners..

You'll find more informative info on www.v6clio.net Far more than I can put into words..

 

[Wobba]

The reason I'd buy a V6 isn't the speed, it's because it's an event. Plus RWD antics are fun...maybe a bit TOO fun in such a short wheelbase car but there you go

 

[Jasey]

I'm not knocking that, it's the comments from those who haven't even been near one saying that it's slow/ugly/falling to bits/unreliable/panel gaps/whatever that I was referring to, and if you have a brief scan on here you can quickly see what I'm talking about!

Had a quick scan - but the 200 seems to come in for much more criticism than the new laguna

I'd go for black, because you can't see the face so much. Kinda like putting a bag over an ugly bird's face if she's got a nice body.

ps Not sure I've ever seen anyone saying the V6 is ugly - it's maybe impractical - but they are things of beauty

 

[Curtis!]

I have no experience of V6's, never seen one in the flesh.

But looking at the pictures of that V6 meet on Blackpool, that day alone is enought for me to feel one is desirable. Owning one must be a constant party, till you have to fit your shopping in.

 

[Ali]

Had a quick scan - but the 200 seems to come in for much more criticism than the new laguna



ps Not sure I've ever seen anyone saying the V6 is ugly - it's maybe impractical - but they are things of beauty

What colours your 200 mate, seen one on union st y'day!

Re. The thread. The v6 is a car you either love or hate, if you hate it you'll always hate it, at best you may be able to appreciate it!

What generally ticks us owners off is peoples perception that it is a BAD car. The grounds for comment arn't valid they are biased on Press reports! INACCURATE press reports!

If you don't like the styling, fine, thats a personal thing! Nobody can take that away from you.

Anyway, as said above, www.v6clio.net is a good source of advice for new owners and current owners alike.

 

[Ali]

Sorry. Couldn't resist... Anyone who says this is an ugly car, clearly likes their women with hairy chins...

 

[Curtis!]

Post the one at FCS (I think it was) please Ali.

 

[Ali]

errrr...

This one?

 

[Curtis!]

Second one! :approve:

 

[Ali]

sexi car! :approve:

Low there too!

 

[R-Sport.]

Second one! :approve:

in for a clean- taken today-:approve:




Steve

 

[Mike_182]

Well, if we're all playing:

Yours is my favourite blue on Ali. I want your suspension! x

 

[Jasey]

What colours your 200 mate, seen one on union st y'day!

White. but it was tucked up in Banchory over the weekend.

will give you a wave if I see you - You work in Altens by any chance ? - sure I've seen a blue V in the area - can't be too many in Aberdeen !

 

[Mike_182]

sure I've seen a blue V in the area - can't be too many in Aberdeen !

IIRC Aberdeen has 6,000 blue ones, common as muck.

x

 

[Ali]

Well, if we're all playing:

Yours is my favourite blue on Ali. I want your suspension! x

Worth it's weight in gold mate. About 1200£ or something. It transformed the car.

White. but it was tucked up in Banchory over the weekend.

will give you a wave if I see you - You work in Altens by any chance ? - sure I've seen a blue V in the area - can't be too many in Aberdeen !

I work in Dyce, but the vee's been off the road since Oct. Will be back around April time. If you see a blue Z4 flash you that'll be me. Liking the 200?

 

[Jasey]

IIRC Aberdeen has 6,000 blue ones, common as muck.

x

Aye - that's why I went for the 200 - wanted to be different .

No Idea why but the 200 seems to as rare as rocking horse $hite in Aberdeen - Mind you the local Renault stealers are complete bellends !