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VTEC F4R



was just looking around a few sites for parts and found these

http://www.engine-dynamics.com/EngineComponents/pid100242/cid95/CatcamsSolidLifter/LashCapSet.asp

a nice set of solid lifters

and now cat cam have released these


Cat-Cams-F4R-finger-followe.jpg


Belgium based high performance valvetrain specialist Cat Cams NV is pleased to announce a replacement finger cam follower package for the highly popular 2.0-litre, 16-valve Renault F4R engines as used in the Clio 172 / 182 / 197 and 200 models. In standard form the original RenaultSport valvetrain limits the F4R’s power output to around 260 bhp and 7800 rpm, because the standard roller finger followers are a known weak point and are not designed for prolonged high engine speeds. Therefore Cat Cams decided to redesign the F4R’s valvetrain following extensive CAD examination of various layout options.

Cat Cams settled on using new, bespoke finger cam followers that feature sliding contact. To ensure that these followers remain aligned on the valve top, the original RenaultSport F4R hydraulic lash adjusters are replaced by Cat Cam’s solid inserts, which are connected and locked by a common shaft. This shaft also acts as the rotation axis to make it impossible for the cam follower to leave its pivot.

The exact geometry for the new sliding finger followers was determined using Cat Cams’ dedicated in-house software for detailed motion analysis, while Finite Element Analysis (FEA) software was used to optimise strength, stiffness and weight. Main target parameters included: system clearance for 15mm valve lift, and a 40mm contact diameter for the virtual equivalent bucket tappet. Finally, a default range of cam profiles was developed, again using state-of-the-art cam design software that is continuously being developed on the premises since 1998.

With the new Cat Cam’s set up, the valve clearance on the F4R motor is set using lash caps with an extra long 4mm skirt sliding over the valve tip, and dual valve springs (manufactured by PAC Racing) with lightweight steel retainers and spring seats complete the kit.

Installation of the Cat Cams F4R finger cam follower setup requires a slot be machined in the cylinder head between the spark plug hole and the cam bearing, simply to provide the required clearance for the connecting shaft.

Ken Stessens, responsible for cam design and product development, testifies from own experience: "A simple manual milling machine with tilt table, a bullnose tool and 2 hours of hassle-free labour is all it takes to install the new cam follower hardware."

Once the Cat Cams RenaultSport F4R engine finger cam follower setup is installed, the high rpm potential of the engine can be fully realised and the valvetrain ceases to be a weak link. This theoretically endows the F4R motor with 9,000 rpm / 300 bhp plus potential when built using upgraded forged crankshaft, connecting rods and pistons.

Interested parties should please contact Cat Cams UK for more information and pricing on the RenaultSport F4R finger cam follower upgrade and associated cam profiles.





so looks like it is now a very real prospect that you too can have v tec levels of revs

......if you have the cash
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Re: V-Tec f4r

Easier just to fit a proper vtec engine in your car instead TBH rather than wasting all that money trying to make an F4R rev, especially given the lousy bore/stroke ratio and rod ratio for revving anyway.

Plus you'd need a lot more valve area as well for usefully revving that high, which would be more expense too of course.

And you'd still have a renault gearbox, lol.


Useful for someone like Bigash though I guess, who has decided to stick with a clio for competition use.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Re: V-Tec f4r

Always so half empty Senor Chip :(

Lol, just being realistic, you'd be spending 20K to build an engine that ends up not especially good, so you'd need to have a really good reason (motorsport rules) not to just fit a decent engine instead.
 

Poopensharten

ClioSport Club Member
  Golf R
Re: V-Tec f4r

As always ;)

Want to go fast, buy a fast car etc. Atleast thats what my old man always said...

So, what is ultimatley in your opinion the best fast road set up for a Clio 1*2 then Chip?
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Re: V-Tec f4r

As always ;)

Want to go fast, buy a fast car etc. Atleast thats what my old man always said...

So, what is ultimatley in your opinion the best fast road set up for a Clio 1*2 then Chip?

For a road going clio, a turbo engine, and the F4R actually works really well for a turbo lump, the same geometry that is poor for high rpm is fantastic for midrange torque when boosted.
 

Poopensharten

ClioSport Club Member
  Golf R
Re: V-Tec f4r

So the standard internals of an F4R can withstand daily abuse of a turbo? Always wondered!
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Re: V-Tec f4r

So the standard internals of an F4R can withstand daily abuse of a turbo? Always wondered!

The standard CR is too high for much boost, but it was the geometry I was referring to not the strength or compression ratio, I meant the rod ratio specifically.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Re: V-Tec f4r

Yeah so you lost me at 'The' :(

Standard crank throw is long, and standard rod length is short.
This means the pistons end up moving very fast.
Not good at all for high rpm N/A use because the pistons move so quickly it takes the effectiveness away from the flame front moving towards them, so you get less power as a result.
 
  Evo 5 RS
Re: V-Tec f4r

An F4R at 9,000 would not sound happy, even if it was healthy. They just don't like to rev like the Honda's do
 
  Stealth 438'd 182
Re: V-Tec f4r

why can I just see in a few months..

just fitted solid lifters to my 182! :D

2 months later..

182 with solid lifters for sale!
 

Dr HMS Derv Destroyer

ClioSport Club Member
  MK1DTi/vivaro/corsa
Re: V-Tec f4r

you think its hard to squeaz power from an F4R! try getting over 130bhp out of a K9K 702

no f**king injectors can handle it and no aftermarket kits made.

hybrid turbo and mapping doesnt do much eitherr :(
 
  Lionel Richie
Re: V-Tec f4r

^yes

Isn't Ian speed and Fred btm making an engine with these lifters?

I think that depends on me doing a good job on his first engine! He's got all the bits already, don't forget to fit those you need to machine the head and buy the cams to go with them = ££££££
 


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