what size spacers on trophy for best handling/looks combination?

[pidge69]

changing to sportline springs and putting camber bolts/shims on the Trophy has resulted in the arch gap resembling tulisa's *****. Which spacers are best for sorting out the gaping hole between wheel and arch without comprimising handling?

 

[pidge69]

anybody?
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[Chi]

Try cliotrophy.co.uk someone there will know..

 

[Scotty-boi]

I have 25mm front, 15mm rear.
Looks good.

 

[Dan@M.A.D]

The most popular combination we sell is 20mm hubcentric front and 10mm (behind the brake disc) spacers.

 

[aucky]

15mm on the front works nicely.

 

[Mr R.]

15mm on the front works nicely.

I here that 15mm front can cause problems with the wheel bolts being to long and need to be cut down.
Is this not the case?

 

[Scotty-boi]

I here that 15mm front can cause problems with the wheel bolts being to long and need to be cut down.
Is this not the case?

I have 15mm on the rear. Original bolts had to be cut down to fit

 

[aucky]

I here that 15mm front can cause problems with the wheel bolts being to long and need to be cut down.
Is this not the case?

Oh yeah sorry I have a stud conversion

 

[Mr R.]

I have 15mm on the rear. Original bolts had to be cut down to fit

Oh Ok guess you didn't but Dans spacers that fit behind the hub?

I've just ordered 10mm -1 for my rears and 20mm fronts.

 

[Mr R.]

Oh yeah sorry I have a stud conversion

Oh cool..

 

[Scotty-boi]

Oh Ok guess you didn't but Dans spacers that fit behind the hub?

I've just ordered 10mm -1 for my rears and 20mm fronts.

No just Bolt to hub spacers!

 

[Simon_16v]

Oh Ok guess you didn't but Dans spacers that fit behind the hub?

I've just ordered 10mm -1 for my rears and 20mm fronts.

How did you find removing the hub to fit these spacers? I just have images of bolts rounding off etc

 

[aucky]

Clean up the studs with a wire brush and leave to soak with penetrating oil. The other end is a torx head and you need to careful not to mash it up

 

[Mr R.]

How did you find removing the hub to fit these spacers? I just have images of bolts rounding off etc

Haven't fitted them yet as I only ordered them from Dan on Sunday night.

I bought my fronts from Venom motorsport so these are coming from FK.

 

[pidge69]

cheers for the replies, the trophy turini's have a different ET compared to the standard 172 cup turinis. therefore if i run 20mm hubcentrics at the front will I have trouble with the wheels rubbing on the arch? I am quite apprehensive about putting 20mm on the front and only 10mm on the back as surely this will make it tail happy by altering the track in this way?

 

[pidge69]

had a look on the trophy forum and the only people spacing are running 15's - not much help to me!

 

[Tim.]

I've just bought some 20mm FK bolt-to-hub hubcentrics for the front, and I'll be getting some 10mm hub spacers for the rear (no camber). If it does rub or I'm not happy with the change to the handling characteristics then I'll try something different or just take them off and move them on.

 

[pidge69]

niiiiiiice let me know how you get on mate! you done anything else to your suspension? just fitted new rear sachs (would of got konis but didnt have a choice) whiteline arb, newly refurbed front dampers, camber bolts, rear beam bushes, top mounts and tires......if it doesnt stick to the tarmac like glue when its back on the road then im setting it on fire

 

[Chip-mk1]

cheers for the replies, the trophy turini's have a different ET compared to the standard 172 cup turinis. therefore if i run 20mm hubcentrics at the front will I have trouble with the wheels rubbing on the arch? I am quite apprehensive about putting 20mm on the front and only 10mm on the back as surely this will make it tail happy by altering the track in this way?

I think you are massively exagerating in your mind the effect the spacers will actually have.

 

[pidge69]

not so much over exaggerating just going from past experiences, my mate put 10mm spacers on the back of his r5 gtt which resulted in a noticeable amount of understeer when pushing hard compared to when he was running standard track.

 

[Chip-mk1]

not so much over exaggerating just going from past experiences, my mate put 10mm spacers on the back of his r5 gtt which resulted in a noticeable amount of understeer when pushing hard compared to when he was running standard track.

Ive run spacers on a hell of a lot of different cars on track, and Ive never found one that makes that sort of difference, must have been something very specific to his particular geo settings for it to matter so much on his car.
You wont find the same on a typical mk2 clio though I can promise you that.

In fact my turbo Ive fitted 30mm spacers to allow me to run big breaks on the front, and no spacers on the rear, and its not changed the balance to any great extent, certainly not to make it the oversteery mess you are implying it would be, and if it was you could easily just dial a tiny bit more toe in to cancel the effect im sure.

 

[pidge69]

Yeah but I dont want to be spining to my death because I didnt research the modifications I plan to do before carrying them out! Im slightly confused as to why you wouldnt alter the track in equal amounts if the trophy set up is as good as everyone says it is on here. why does the back only need soacers half the width of the front?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah but I dont want to be spining to my death because I didnt research the modifications I plan to do before carrying them out! Im slightly confused as to why you wouldnt alter the track in equal amounts if the trophy set up is as good as everyone says it is on here. why does the back only need soacers half the width of the front?

Neither end needs any spacing at all handling wise TBH, they handle just fine as they are, people add spacers for cosmetic reasons mainly and the rear has less arch gap than the front.

I firmly believe if you put 10mm front and rear, then 20mm front and 10mm rear and drove the car both times you wouldnt actually feel the difference at all on a mk2 clio, it really isnt a car which seems to massively alter driving characteristics from moderate wheel spacing.

 

[pidge69]

sorry for replying twice i was tripping balls and for got there was a 2nd page - couldnt work out why my replies werent coming up haha

cheers for the response mate I will give the 20mm fronts and 10mm rears a go then! last question on the matter, do you think the wheels are likely to rub with 20mm hubentrics on the front considering the trophy wheels have a slightly different offset than normal turinis?

 

[Cupman29]

Neither end needs any spacing at all handling wise TBH, they handle just fine as they are, people add spacers for cosmetic reasons mainly and the rear has less arch gap than the front.

I firmly believe if you put 10mm front and rear, then 20mm front and 10mm rear and drove the car both times you wouldnt actually feel the difference at all on a mk2 clio, it really isnt a car which seems to massively alter driving characteristics from moderate wheel spacing.

Agree 100%!

 

[Cupman29]

sorry for replying twice i was tripping balls and for got there was a 2nd page - couldnt work out why my replies werent coming up haha

cheers for the response mate I will give the 20mm fronts and 10mm rears a go then! last question on the matter, do you think the wheels are likely to rub with 20mm hubentrics on the front considering the trophy wheels have a slightly different offset than normal turinis?

Unless lowered, you should be fine.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Trophy Turinis sit narrower track than cup ones. By 6.5mm per side.
So 20mm on a trophy is same as 13.5 spacer on a cup.

 

[Cupman29]

You sure it's not 5.5mm per side?

 

[Chip-mk1]

You sure it's not 5.5mm per side?

I thought it was 38.5 and 45mm, but feel free to correct me.

 

[Cupman29]

Think its 37.5 and 43 but again, I may be wrong.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Think its 37.5 and 43 but again,mi may be wrong.

Might be mate, TBH never really bothered to take too much notice of the exact ET, 1 or 2 mm here or there is irrelevant anyway.

 

[Cupman29]

Might be mate, TBH never really bothered to take too much notice of the exact ET, 1 or 2 mm here or there is irrelevant anyway.

True.

 

[Kelv]

I have my Trophy on AST's, 7x15 et43 2118's on 195/50/15 888's and then just a 5mm spacer all round.
looks and works perfectly for me

 

[pidge69]

Oh, I was always under the impression the trophy had a wider track than the 172 cup. Do the wheels have a higher et in order to make room for the Sachs suspension under the arch?

 

[Cupman29]

172 Cup has widest track of all 1*2's.

 

[Kelv]

Do the wheels have a higher et in order to make room for the Sachs suspension under the arch?

It would in fact require a lower ET to make them sit out further.

 

[p@blo]

I have my Trophy on AST's, 7x15 et43 2118's on 195/50/15 888's and then just a 5mm spacer all round.
looks and works perfectly for me

Sportline 2 Kelv? How are you for clearance on the adjuster collar? Mine sit really close

 

[Kelv]

Plenty of space to get the wheel straps through when securing the car on he trailer, but I agree it certainly is snug.

 

[p@blo]

You using the two piece adjusters or the one piece with the allen bolt? I've got the one piece and it sits real close with a 205 profile, 195 is fine in fairness.

Sure mine could do with the mount holes being about 5-10mm further out.