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You can use stock shafts I think but they wont last.
Williams engines is £600~1000 depending on ages etc.
Gearbox say £150
Manifold other bits etc (you need a new bonnet since the 2.0 manifold wont fit under a normal bonnet) say £300
Fitment into a 1.2 shell say £1~1.5k
Your looking at about £3k Id say.
WHy not buy a proper Williams for that sort of money plus you get the better suspension brakes and the better Williams gearbox.
Even 2.0 converted Valvers are going for under £3k. Personally that would be the route Id go down rarther than the expensive conversion route.
you dont need a new bonnet at all btw! the manifold does fit under and the purpose of the bonnet vent is to let some of the heat out! id upgrade the brakes if i was you, also the shafts will get chewed in about 10 minutes! if you havnt got power steering you need a manual rack alterntor kit off bondy otherwise you aint gonna be abl to attach your alternator at all or drive your water pump, im running uprated spax anyway so im not converting the susp, you need all ancilleries, wiring loom and ecu. why not do it yourself and save £££ on labour? im doing mine myself along with a mate and depending on how mine goes if your serious we can talk on a price for us doing it, i live in sheffield but the place is only an hour away in lincoln and we could meet to get up there, but without being funny you have asked these questions lots before so only ask me for a price when you have all the bits and are definately doing it
Smokeys conversion into his Hybrid cost approx:
52k Williams Engine, engine, gearbox £1100
Fitting £500 (Bearing in mind ours was a straight swap from 1.8 16v to 2.0 16v)
Replacing major engine components such as starter, oil pump, water pump, cambelt and tensioners, head gasket, alternator, uprated Group N clutch, all fluids, all belts, new low temp thermo & low temp fan switch, new engine mounts cost about £1k with the engine out it would of been double that at least if we had of done that all once engine was fitted. We wanted to make sure it dont need fixing for a cpl of years at least.
You will need a valver/williams bonnet so add an extra £300 to that.
So we paid about £2600 for a straight swap and your lookign at at least £3k without uprated brakes, suspension, exhaust imo
[Edited by Flo on 22 July 2005 at 2:32pm]
u will need to either cut some of the inside of the bonnet away to allow room for the inlet manifold, or get a proper bonnet as they dont shut properly and rub away at the inlet manifold if not done right, also losing a bit of heat away from those engines always helps
Dave
LY 200
Your lookin at alot mate!!!
Mine was a good price at Just over £1600 for a 45k engine, recon willy box and some replaced parts such as cambelt, clutch etc!!!
Id say 3k would be a good price into a 1.2 shell............Deffo worth looking into buying the bolder looking hybrid valver or williams id say!!!
BigChriss one looks in good con and by all accounts a fast one aswell............Only 3k!!!
thanks for all the feedback, i will probably modify the standard bonnet as i want to keep the standard 1.2 look. i may end up dropping to a valver engine as i know they can be picked up alot cheaper and possibly upgrade in the future. that a better idea? dont quite fancy buying a new car just yet, perhaps next year.
Quote: Originally posted by stan* on 23 July 2005
it helps cool the exhst manifold area really....heat "release" only occurs at standstill
naturally if u were to use the non-16v bonnet u would fit some sort of vent
But dont you get a ram air effect pushing all the hot air within the engine bay out the bottom of the engine while moving
well ill have to see how much it will all cost in parts since i kinda want the engine to be running like new, get all refurbing done while engines out etc.
am i right thinking my current cat-back exhaust will be ok aslong as i have a 16v/willy decat and downpipe?
Anyone know anyone or anywhere i can get the parts i need really cheap? and are williams shafts better than valvers?
cheers
16v/Willy CAT/DeCats are different.. it all has to match.. 16v downpipe with 16v cat or Williams downpipe with Williams Cat.. even then, the mounts are different between a 16v and a Williams after the cat towards the backbox.. but thats not going to make much difference.
Williams driveshafts are also different to 16v driveshafts because of the wider track.
Theres a great belief that the 16v and Williams are much more similar than they really are, heheh.
yeh im assuming it will make a difference to my bank account as well lol. i think this will end up costing alot more than i first planned on, not really any point doing a 1.8 conversion to get a williams lump and everything else shortly after really.
Would i be better off splashing out for the williams conversion than the 1.8? is it going to be money well spent?
Yes, Williams over 16v is probably worthwhile..
But, it puts you in a similar position to me when I had my 1.2.. it was just better to get a Williams to start with.. and then you do get the track, brakes, interior, and everything else which makes a Williams. Just things like the rear track being wider on the 16v/Williams... its never gunna happen on a standard none-16v shell as the arches would need changing else theyd catch..
16v -> 2.0 is fine, as it really is more of a straight swap...
