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Clart
ClioSport Club Member
These threads make me laugh so much. All the Williams boys pop out of the woodwork to stick their 2 pence in. How about contributing to the rest of the forum lads instead of just the threads with "williams" in the title. Quite Franky these "182 vs williams" etc type threads always end the same way and always get the same reponses from exactly the same people who will argue the toss until they are blue in the face.
GET A LIFE FFS!
They are both quick cars and I'd be more than happy owning either - one costs twice as much as the other but then you get what you pay for regarding safety, toys, cabin refinement etc etc etc.
GET A LIFE FFS!
They are both quick cars and I'd be more than happy owning either - one costs twice as much as the other but then you get what you pay for regarding safety, toys, cabin refinement etc etc etc.
lol...^^^^^^^^^^
theres too many.....'iv just cleaned my 172/182' 'my 172s started rattlin at 4k ' etc etc etc threads for the forum as a whole to be interesting for the mk 1 boys tbh.
a mk1 thread on this site is almost as rare as an unmolested example of a williams, unmolested meaning bodywork as well as mechanically, so when one gets brought up, it gives the mk1 owners something relevant to say as it concerns their cars.
we can all only speak from experience. and in my experience, only 1 new shape clio has given me a beating....step forward chris..
so i deduce from my experimentations in my car...that it IS faster than a 172, even with no mods. it IS slightly quicker than a 182, with wrong head but with raised limiter, but it gets beaten by a more tuned cup, with wrong head/raised limiter.
1 costs twice as much as the other.....but then u get what you pay for... lmao...so for twice the money, you get a car thats twice as fast, handles twice as good, etc etc etc......err no you dont lol. safety, toys cabin refinement etc, arent ness. high on the shopping list if your looking for summat quick now is it??
theres too many.....'iv just cleaned my 172/182' 'my 172s started rattlin at 4k ' etc etc etc threads for the forum as a whole to be interesting for the mk 1 boys tbh.
a mk1 thread on this site is almost as rare as an unmolested example of a williams, unmolested meaning bodywork as well as mechanically, so when one gets brought up, it gives the mk1 owners something relevant to say as it concerns their cars.
we can all only speak from experience. and in my experience, only 1 new shape clio has given me a beating....step forward chris..
so i deduce from my experimentations in my car...that it IS faster than a 172, even with no mods. it IS slightly quicker than a 182, with wrong head but with raised limiter, but it gets beaten by a more tuned cup, with wrong head/raised limiter.
1 costs twice as much as the other.....but then u get what you pay for... lmao...so for twice the money, you get a car thats twice as fast, handles twice as good, etc etc etc......err no you dont lol. safety, toys cabin refinement etc, arent ness. high on the shopping list if your looking for summat quick now is it??
2 live said:lol...^^^^^^^^^^
theres too many.....'iv just cleaned my 172/182' 'my 172s started rattlin at 4k ' etc etc etc threads for the forum as a whole to be interesting for the mk 1 boys tbh.
a mk1 thread on this site is almost as rare as an unmolested example of a williams, unmolested meaning bodywork as well as mechanically, so when one gets brought up, it gives the mk1 owners something relevant to say as it concerns their cars.
we can all only speak from experience. and in my experience, only 1 new shape clio has given me a beating....step forward chris..
so i deduce from my experimentations in my car...that it IS faster than a 172, even with no mods. it IS slightly quicker than a 182, with wrong head but with raised limiter, but it gets beaten by a more tuned cup, with wrong head/raised limiter.
1 costs twice as much as the other.....but then u get what you pay for... lmao...so for twice the money, you get a car thats twice as fast, handles twice as good, etc etc etc......err no you dont lol. safety, toys cabin refinement etc, arent ness. high on the shopping list if your looking for summat quick now is it??
Oh dear you WC guys will carry on until blue in the face we all own clios FFS......
The biggest difference with thes cars is the driver, good driver will beat a bad driver which ever Renaultsport car hes driving V6 included):approve:
Rsport are twice the price as Williams as they tend to have half the miles and be half as new again. Its age and condition not performance as you could just go and buy an EVO 4 or M3 (E36) for 8k and have done with it...
Most willies are over 10 years old, not many good ones about. As result of them being old and more unreliabe i would say that people who own Williams now are more hard core and drive that bit faster...this should be mistaken for the car being faster..
Clart
ClioSport Club Member
He's exactly right, a newer renaultsport driver is definately not going to want to crash his car, and will alter his driving accordingly. A mk1 s**t heap owner knows his car is next to worthless, so will go balls out everywhere
A perfect example is when Martin rolled his hybrid. Sure he's an excellent driver, no one will deny him that, but if he owned a £12k trophy I very much doubt that he would be driving it in the same way that he drives his valver.
The car was stripped out to f**k anyway and had no dash! He can probly get it back on the road for £500 with no insurance involved etc, whereas if it was a trophy it would be a £12k pride and joy write off. Hence the reason the mk1 boys drive quickly...
A perfect example is when Martin rolled his hybrid. Sure he's an excellent driver, no one will deny him that, but if he owned a £12k trophy I very much doubt that he would be driving it in the same way that he drives his valver.
The car was stripped out to f**k anyway and had no dash! He can probly get it back on the road for £500 with no insurance involved etc, whereas if it was a trophy it would be a £12k pride and joy write off. Hence the reason the mk1 boys drive quickly...
2 live said:
Silly statement most accidents are when someone else crashes into you...SO SAFETY IS A BIG FACTOR
If i was in a crash the i would rather be in a 1*2 than a Williams..
Im sure some drivers of the new R-Sports are a little more careful on the roads and dont drive as fast. They may be young, its a company car or other factors. That no bad thing.
Driving to fast on the road is not what its all about..! Get it on track if you want to do that..
As said the STIG would get the R-Sport round the TG test track quicker than a Williams..
CS Dungeon
Clart said:He's exactly right, a newer renaultsport driver is definately not going to want to crash his car, and will alter his driving accordingly. A mk1 sh*t heap owner knows his car is next to worthless, so will go balls out everywhere
A perfect example is when Martin rolled his hybrid. Sure he's an excellent driver, no one will deny him that, but if he owned a £12k trophy I very much doubt that he would be driving it in the same way that he drives his valver.
The car was stripped out to f**k anyway and had no dash! He can probly get it back on the road for £500 with no insurance involved etc, whereas if it was a trophy it would be a £12k pride and joy write off. Hence the reason the mk1 boys drive quickly...
My Mk1 is arguably worth more then your 172, is certainly quicker, handles far better and stops quicker:rasp:
i drive a williams 1. i dont want to crash it. 12k would go some way to replacing mine, but i dont think it would cover the costs.lol
i still drive it like a loon, i have also got a newer shape clio, which i drive even harder, why?? cos its s**t slow and doesnt handle very well. put them together, and the untrained eye would say the newer car would be worth the most simply due to its age.
if martin had a trophy. i think its fair to say that the car would in fact be getting stripped. its his thing. like adding power is mine.
whether it costs 500 or 12k to replace, doesnt matter, no matter how expensive the car im driving, i drive it the same way as i always do......flat out.
if u mk2 boys are too scared to drive the sporty clios youv spent all ur co. car budget on, why buy it in the first place?? the cars are sporty for a reason....like the williams is reknowned as a drivers car...they there to be driven to their limits, or the limits of the driver whichever comes first. seeing all the 172/182 trophy reports of bumps etc. and ur statement, id say the newer clios cant handle for s**t, and the drivers are too scared to drive em hard for fear of the s**t handling catching their inexperienced arse out and causin em to crash.
i still drive it like a loon, i have also got a newer shape clio, which i drive even harder, why?? cos its s**t slow and doesnt handle very well. put them together, and the untrained eye would say the newer car would be worth the most simply due to its age.
if martin had a trophy. i think its fair to say that the car would in fact be getting stripped. its his thing. like adding power is mine.
whether it costs 500 or 12k to replace, doesnt matter, no matter how expensive the car im driving, i drive it the same way as i always do......flat out.
if u mk2 boys are too scared to drive the sporty clios youv spent all ur co. car budget on, why buy it in the first place?? the cars are sporty for a reason....like the williams is reknowned as a drivers car...they there to be driven to their limits, or the limits of the driver whichever comes first. seeing all the 172/182 trophy reports of bumps etc. and ur statement, id say the newer clios cant handle for s**t, and the drivers are too scared to drive em hard for fear of the s**t handling catching their inexperienced arse out and causin em to crash.
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clart - For me my williams is my pride and joy mate. And its there to be enjoyed. Bit unfair on martin to bring him into it.
Ive only had a propper 1/4mile against a 172 which was close. there is a video here of that http://media.putfile.com/northy-vs-jph172
We have a 182 on track with us at FCS - poor sod's going to be right in the thick of it lol
Ive only had a propper 1/4mile against a 172 which was close. there is a video here of that http://media.putfile.com/northy-vs-jph172
We have a 182 on track with us at FCS - poor sod's going to be right in the thick of it lol
2 live said:
If you drive like a loon on the road your an idiot...go on track.
Regards to New R-sports not handling then your just bitter and twisted...
Your WC 12k? its worth 3/4k max...Just cause someone doesnt want to drive fast on the road i think your wrong to critisise them for it.
Guess your saying you have an experienced arse..What does that mean
CS Dungeon
EVOgone said:If you drive like a loon on the road your an idiot...go on track.
Regards to New R-sports not handling then your just bitter and twisted...
Your WC 12k? its worth 3/4k max...Just cause someone doesnt want to drive fast on the road i think your wrong to critisise them for it.
Guess your saying you have an experienced arse..What does that mean
My Mk1 172 and my 182 both handled worse then the Hybrid...............Fact
CS Dungeon
EVOgone said:
Dont matter, Mine was a quick 182 and kept up with CUP's which happended a few times, the Trophy wasnt released at the time so could not compare them but its no quicker then a 182 in a straight line.
Its like me saying the Hybrid is quicker now its on coilovers as thats all the Trophy is at the end of the day.......the argument was 182, not CUP or Trophy just plain old 182
Standard for standard my Hybrid would beat my Full Fat CUP'd 182 on the twisties.....Fact
EVOgone said:If you drive like a loon on the road your an idiot...go on track.
Regards to New R-sports not handling then your just bitter and twisted...
Your WC 12k? its worth 3/4k max...Just cause someone doesnt want to drive fast on the road i think your wrong to critisise them for it.
Guess your saying you have an experienced arse..What does that mean
lol....why am i an idiot??
i drive like a loon on track.i drive fast and safe on the road...
my car worth 3-4k max ....lmfao
the engine alone is worth more than that.......
most of my races have been on the strip. or under supervised conditions on private roads.... some on track.
i didnt say i had an experienced arse
. i said ' if u mk2 boys are too scared to drive the sporty clios youv spent all ur co. car budget on....etc etc.'inexperienced....get it to a track n practise....oh no...forgot...they worth 12k....u dont wanna tempt fate n throw em at a corner hard...theyl probably crash........arse
seb
ClioSport Club Member
Clio trophy
i don't get all this 'embarrassment' about being beaten etc... i haven't been overtaken in a long time
fact is if you want something rawer than the newer clios get a vlaver/williams. if you want something more refined for air con etc get a 172/182.
these mk1 drivers really have a chip on thewir shoulders! lol
fact is if you want something rawer than the newer clios get a vlaver/williams. if you want something more refined for air con etc get a 172/182.
these mk1 drivers really have a chip on thewir shoulders! lol
seb
ClioSport Club Member
Clio trophy
2 live said:lol....why am i an idiot??
i drive like a loon on track.i drive fast and safe on the road...
my car worth 3-4k max ....lmfao
the engine alone is worth more than that.......
most of my races have been on the strip. or under supervised conditions on private roads.... some on track.
i didnt say i had an experienced arse
inexperienced....get it to a track n practise....oh no...forgot...they worth 12k....u dont wanna tempt fate n throw em at a corner hard...theyl probably crash........arse
if you tried to sell your engine would you get 3-4k for it? that seems a lot to me, but i don't know a lot about the mk1's.
Recipie for cliosport BS cake:
Take one serving of Mk2 Rs owners
Add another serving of mixed willy, valver and hybrid owners.
Leave to boil over for a couple of days
Hey presto one BS cake that tastes like s**t.
For quicker results but same rank taste add a liberal amount of Stromba.
Take one serving of Mk2 Rs owners
Add another serving of mixed willy, valver and hybrid owners.
Leave to boil over for a couple of days
Hey presto one BS cake that tastes like s**t.
For quicker results but same rank taste add a liberal amount of Stromba.
Clart said:
be careful talking about microns and molecules... you'll have Stromba turning up at your house talking geek before you know it
breaking news also, I have a one of those pressure washer things... not cleaned the car with it yet, but it's great for getting the neighbours cat off the bonnet
This thread would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad!
2Live: Were you abused as a child? There must be a reason why you are like you are.... Just about every motoring authority out there rates the 182Cup / Trophy as one of the best handling cars of all time so why can't you just accept it?
Terrorist: So your hybrid beats your 182. Congratulations. That only proves that YOUR hybrid beats YOUR 182. Is either of them an actual Williams...? Er, no.
This thread, this entire forum for that matter is turning into a load of puerile (look it up) bollox because of retards like you two. Both of you (and various others) need to read the forum usage guidelines, or get your mums to read it to you.
That is all.
2Live: Were you abused as a child? There must be a reason why you are like you are.... Just about every motoring authority out there rates the 182Cup / Trophy as one of the best handling cars of all time so why can't you just accept it?
Terrorist: So your hybrid beats your 182. Congratulations. That only proves that YOUR hybrid beats YOUR 182. Is either of them an actual Williams...? Er, no.
This thread, this entire forum for that matter is turning into a load of puerile (look it up) bollox because of retards like you two. Both of you (and various others) need to read the forum usage guidelines, or get your mums to read it to you.
That is all.
TheJesus said:
Lmao.. 56k no no... lol
Why do all Mk2 owners do it... they all look the same to me...lol
back on topic i'd say a williams and a 182 are on par, my old williams was on par with a Trophy round Donnington with little mods. As For hybrids, mine would obviously leave 182's and cups for dead but mines not exactly std.... lol
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