Would you pay 5k for a Williams

[172gal]

5k does seem quite steep for the mileage.

Look at these two........

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/cars_search.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=RENAULT&model=CLIO&variant=williams&keywords=&min_pr=75&max_pr=&mileage=5&agerange=&postcode=ls21+1nw&miles=1500&max_records=200&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCHhttp://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/cars_search.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=RENAULT&model=CLIO&variant=williams&keywords=&min_pr=75&max_pr=&mileage=5&agerange=&postcode=ls21+1nw&miles=1500&max_records=200&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH

One @ 60k

Two @ 49k

 

[m4rk]

fuk that thats silly money, u could buy a cheaper one and with the 2000 quid youd sdave im sure that would cover any possible problems or repairs that may be needed, unless uv got money to burn its ur choice, i have no doubt this guy will get his 5k for it though, think of the other faster newer cars you could have!!!

 

[eves]

Tom, seriously no williams is worth £5000

Ive owned both a valver, a williams3 and now my 172 mk2

and by far my 172 is more superia then the williams,,,imo!

its up to you at the end of the day,,,,,do what you think is best..

 

[Leigh]

Ohhhhhhh sounds expensive.

Too much milage for the price. I would not pay over £3500 for it.

But then again what would i know. LOL

No seriously its over priced. You could do alot better for your money. And owning one it gives me a fair bit of knowledge about em. You could be wiser and buy a lower milage one. But at the end of the day its your money and do what you think is right.

If all else fails ya could buy mine.

But its nice to see that there is still a demand for a seriously cool car that still 11 years down the line commands respect from the drivers of the new hot hatch spin offs. I can quite honestly say even today when i pull up at lights against 172/182s the drivers do look and wonder how the hell did that williams leave me for dead at the lights.

Good Luck what ever you decide to do.

 

[Max172cup]

Dont buy it, its over priced for the mileage, doesnt matter what all these Willie Lovers on here say. A Car thats done 80k has seens a lot a mileage. Wear and tear is going to be a serious factor. If youve not even seen this car yet, and youve just been told its a "minter" then im not sure how anybody on here can say "oh yes, for that money its bound to be worth it!"

Id defo go have a look at it, as that way youll be able to compare it to others you look at. There are obviously others out there, and cheaper ones at that. Id rather save 1.5-2k and buy a lower mileage one, and ok, maybe itll have a couple of fag burns in the seats, but hell youve saved that money and that can go towards something else, repairs, service you name it!

 

[Ian_182]

some people get carried away on a wave of nostalgia over these cars.

There are 2 kinds of willy you see,The one is a 80k nacker with a rebuild and some rust that the owner is inflaiting to get a good price because of the heratige of a good car.

The other like 007s is a quality car with very low miles and full history and not a mark on it.Lets be honest,if a car is kept garaged under lock and key every night and has good general dry use and is for sale with 30k on the clock and you turn up and theres a load of rust i would run a mileTBH

Dont get conned into buying a car because of its badge.Its only a badge if its a bad car......Its a great car if its been kept well.

One last point.If a car is THE car you crave and its collectable like a williams or escort cosworth then the price YOU pay is what YOU are willing to pay for it.If you are an enthusiast who knows what im talking about then you will understand.I think stromba sold willy 002 for 15k.Now that super low milage car will be in a shed somewhere inside a vacume bag and owned by an enthusiast who was delighted with the car he bought and the price to him now is irelevant in comparison to the smile on his face...

ian

 

[JayR]

Quote: Originally posted by 007 on 23 December 2004


I sold my Williams with 39,000 on the clock for £5,500 earlier this year - sold within 2 hours of being advertised.

Really should have been looking for £6+ but I live in the Highlands so less people usually= less value.

I think a Williams is a better hot hatch than a 172 IMO anyway - and a lot of people feel the same. While there are people like that in the world Willies will demand a decent price.

Once all cars get old its a pretty level playing field and the rarer possibly better car will always be worth more.

You may think the 172 is better and thats not my point - my point is age is irrelevant to some people - mostly Hot Hatch enthusiasts.

I certainly dont think a Williams with 80k is worth anymore than £3k but there you go.

I have been trying to buy a bloody Super Nintendo recently and prices are rising as they become rarer.

2 words sum it all up:

Market forces







HOW MUCH YOU WANNA PAY???

 

[Swervin_Mervin]

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">I certainly dont think a Williams with 80k is worth anymore than £3k but there you go.<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">So you agree with me then. The Williams above is not worth 5.5k<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">And who mentioned 172s? I certainly didnt. I couldnt give a rats ass how much my 172 may or may not be worth. I can afford to lose the money. And I dont care whether or not YOU think its better than a Williams. Are all (ex) Williams owners so paranoid about the 172?!!?

[Edited by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004 at 7:12pm]


I think Tom mentioned 172s actually mate. Like whether he should fork out a bit more and get one of them instead.

As Wily Williams pointed out though, the Willy DO fall in to a collectors market so their price is generally determined by condition, not age and not so much mileage.

Valvers, 172s, 182s will never fall in to this category because they are extremely common.

 

[_Tom]

Well im going to look at this at 2ish. Lets see what condition its really in hey!

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by 007 on 23 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004


I certainly dont think a Williams with 80k is worth anymore than £3k but there you go.

So you agree with me then. The Williams above is not worth 5.5k

And who mentioned 172s? I certainly didnt. I couldnt give a rats ass how much my 172 may or may not be worth. I can afford to lose the money. And I dont care whether or not YOU think its better than a Williams. Are all (ex) Williams owners so paranoid about the 172?!!?


[Edited by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004 at 7:12pm]

You need to chill a bit LMAO

I never at any point said that the Williams in question was worth £5,500

Paranoid - you should maybe look the word up as your reaction certainly smells closer to it than my post.

I never had a go at the 172 I was using it as a comparason as I guess I could have the 16v.

I really couldnt care less one way or the other to be honest - maybe you need some time away from that keyboard to calm down?

Im perfectly chilled mate. Like I said, I couldnt give a to$$!! I just like getting a reaction out of people, and Williams owners seem to be the easiest lot to wind up. Just becuase somebody dared to say that a Williams might not be a priceless collectors item all the Williams owners are up on their high horse straight away. Thats not necessarily aimed at you btw.

As for time away from the keyboard, I do the majority of my posting on here when Im being paid for it and I have quite a few less posts than you do pal - Maybe its you that needs some time out!!

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by Swervin_Mervin on 24 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004


<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">I certainly dont think a Williams with 80k is worth anymore than £3k but there you go.

<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">So you agree with me then. The Williams above is not worth 5.5k

<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">And who mentioned 172s? I certainly didnt. I couldnt give a rats ass how much my 172 may or may not be worth. I can afford to lose the money. And I dont care whether or not YOU think its better than a Williams. Are all (ex) Williams owners so paranoid about the 172?!!?


[Edited by lagerlout1 on 23 December 2004 at 7:12pm]

I think Tom mentioned 172s actually mate. Like whether he should fork out a bit more and get one of them instead.

As Wily Williams pointed out though, the Willy DO fall in to a collectors market so their price is generally determined by condition, not age and not so much mileage.

Valvers, 172s, 182s will never fall in to this category because they are extremely common.

Did he? Bugger, must have missed that.

As for the collectors market, numbers produced plays a smaller part than you realise. There were less 16vs made by Renault than there were Will 1,2, and 3s..... Making the Williams common by comparison. So why isnt the 16v a collectors item?

 

[Willy Williams]

Mint Williams, 5 turbos, MK1 GTI Golfs and Pug 205 GTIs are cool.

182s and 172s arnt, theyre just fast.

Face it.

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

Hi bought a Williams 2 about a month ago and its best fwd car Ive ever owned.

My car is a 1 owner 65K fsh car and I found it on ebay for a real bargain but there is no way Id pay £5K for one.

You can get an early Integrale or good 306 Rallye for that.

There great cars but £4K is about all Id pay as my cars mainly gonna be used on the track.

Dont know if that helps but PM me if you want any advice for a new Williams owner.

Matt.

 

[Swervin_Mervin]

Were there really fewer than c1000 16vs made? I doubt it, but am willing to be told otherwise.

 

[Willy Williams]

And a Williams 1 will always be worth more than a Williams 2 or 3 in identical condition:

1. Because it is the original

2. Because it has a plaque

3. Because it was a hologation car, the 2s and 3s werent

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 24 December 2004


Mint Williams, 5 turbos, MK1 GTI Golfs and Pug 205 GTIs are cool.

182s and 172s arnt, theyre just fast.

Face it.

Im not denying it. In another 10 years time, they will be in the same bracket as the Pug 205s. Cool, but not truly collectable.

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 24 December 2004


And a Williams 1 will always be worth more than a Williams 2 or 3 in identical condition:

1. Because it is the original

2. Because it has a plaque

3. Because it was a hologation car, the 2s and 3s werent







Exactly. Which is why there is no way that Willy is worth 5.5k!!

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by Swervin_Mervin on 24 December 2004

Were there really fewer than c1000 16vs made? I doubt it, but am willing to be told otherwise.

Tis true. And there were quite a few more Williams made than a thousand....

 

[Matbrown]

You are having a laugh!

No way was there less than 1180 16vs made, unless you have proof?



Mat.

 

[MarkRS]

If you find a truely mint williams, snap it up - they are nearly all crap(well in my book as im a perfectionist) i looked at about 10 williams 3 last year and not one was as good as my old H plate Fiesta RS turbo it would be replacing.

Looked at all price ranges, most expensive was 7grand, 39k miles and full of dents and rust.

 

[Tucks]

Tom ,did you go & see it then? Wots the verdict?!

 

[Enid]

Yeah did you buy it fella.

Here is my opinion for what its worth. That car looks too expensive at 5.5k especially since its not standard, even if it was a willy 1 it would be a little too much. Give it time and there will be others up for sale.

I think the Williams will go up in value over the forcoming years, if they are in A1 condition, dont think mileage plays too bigger part. If you could find a dirt cheap Williams 1 and could afford to restore it to like new condition i.e. full respray, rebuild the engine refurb the wheels (correctly ) ect ect then I think you would have a car that COULD (not saying for definate) become valuable in the future.

Oh and not meaning to upset Willy 1 and 2 owners but i think due to the "plaque" the Williams 1 will end up being more sort after.

Right can I take my Flame suit off now?

 

[stu8v]

IMHO a car is only worth what someone will pay.

Now if you look what fetchs good money, its always as near std as possible, low milage, fully documented history and low owners.

I cant say id spend that myself but if i was in the market for one thats what i would be looking for.

Also it would seem to be the ground breakers that demand the money or if in a sequence such as the willys 1,2and 3, you could guess it will be the first and last models.

As time goes on good ones get harder to find mainly because as a car gets older they pass through more pairs of hands and maintenance suffers, parts dont get replaced they just get bodged. This is for all types/makes of cars just think why you bought it because it (fast and handles), then on the other hand think why you would sell it, (because its expensive to keep on the road) relative to its true value.