Was reading old copy of autocar last night found full road test of the series 1 williams clio, was interesting reading, quite a nippy car back then, I should know I bought one ! was wondering if there was any road tests of the cup to compare performance figures, see how much improvement Renault made in performance over the 10 year gap !
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iimushroomzii
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Williams would kill a cup. Worms
Nippy white cup
Most of the hardcore Willie owners I know say that the Cup is the next progression from the williams. They (williams) respond well to the usual basic mods and the uprated cams that most use iirc are the same/similar to the ones in the 172 so bring them up power wise. Handling is superb in the williams as is in the Cup but the williams has the bonus of being lighter as standard and can be stripped to a daft low weight making them awesome track cars
Chris
Chris
There always one. This is rubbish.
Tiger R6 / Saxo Vts
I was going to say - my Saxo Vts was very nearly keeping up with a Williams a while back.
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Heres a good unbiased opinion of someone with a 172 and willy
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=365189
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=365189
0-60 don't mean very much and if you have a Williams for the 0-60, you are missing the whole point of it.
The Cup will win 0-60 and 0-100 but handling is where it gets interesting.
As far as Renault making improvements over the last 10 years, it seems they hit the nail on the head with the Williams, so maybe not too much. Weight is the issue these days and the Williams didn't have that problem.
Around a track or on B-roads, with the same driver, I would put my money on the Cup by a small margin. As for fun factor, well that might be different but still very close.
It's a bit more complicated than what it looks on first glance.
I would say it is fair to say that the 172 and Cup deff has a bit of pace on a Williams. Not so much to 60 or even 80 but above that the mk2's are a bit quicker.
The Williams feels quicker due the lower rev limit and shorter gear ratios - hence the gear times are very quick. Whereas in the 172's you have longer ratios and a higher rev limiter. I think this is why when I first got in the 172 I didn't think it was that quick as you don't really have to put that much effort in - but they are a bit quicker tbf.
This may be due to Williams having tired engines and components as getting a Williams with a similar mileage and wear and tear to a Renault Sport is going to be tough.
However I can see that you have a Sierra Cosworth and maybe switching to a Cup maye detract from some of the fun of maintaining an older car...
Have a go in a couple and make your mind up from there.
I would say it is fair to say that the 172 and Cup deff has a bit of pace on a Williams. Not so much to 60 or even 80 but above that the mk2's are a bit quicker.
The Williams feels quicker due the lower rev limit and shorter gear ratios - hence the gear times are very quick. Whereas in the 172's you have longer ratios and a higher rev limiter. I think this is why when I first got in the 172 I didn't think it was that quick as you don't really have to put that much effort in - but they are a bit quicker tbf.
This may be due to Williams having tired engines and components as getting a Williams with a similar mileage and wear and tear to a Renault Sport is going to be tough.
However I can see that you have a Sierra Cosworth and maybe switching to a Cup maye detract from some of the fun of maintaining an older car...
Have a go in a couple and make your mind up from there.
i know why i own a williams and it is nothing to do with the speed its a modern classic in my opinion and i dont like to drive the same old car as everyone else. i was just replying to a question and its only my opinion.
Good for you.
Jamie, Don't think I would get rid of the cossie mate thats a summer car its now sorn, just remember what fun the williams was when I had it, fancy a cup for a change, back to a small hot hatch, just wondered what kind of performance difference there was between the two, if there is one !!
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Iv owned a good 2.0 williams engined valver and a 182 with cup packs for a good lengh of time and quite frankly there is nothing in it if you pit good car v good car performance wise.
I liked my old Valver for the aggressive looks, f**king comfortable seast and even slightly tweaked (filter and cat back system) it sounded like a monster......182 is the better car overall though as is probably the 172 cup.
I liked my old Valver for the aggressive looks, f**king comfortable seast and even slightly tweaked (filter and cat back system) it sounded like a monster......182 is the better car overall though as is probably the 172 cup.
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