From that model, I guess you could interpret that way.... But you can't fit 306 brakes say on a 106 obviously.
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From that model, I guess you could interpret that way.... But you can't fit 306 brakes say on a 106 obviously.
Yeah that's my understanding of them regs, it's early days for this but it will end up like every other one make series where competitors slowly agree to more and more mods, the difference is this is wide open to French cars which makes it difficult to have parity and worse to write the regs.
206 GTI 180 could be the car of choice with the right parts taken from other models.
Because you are being allowed to swap from the original wheel size, non model specific manifold and also alternator from the brief read I had of the regs.
Send me your email address Dan, and I'll forward you it.
WRX
Yes but it's open to all French production cars, which should all be treated the same. The regs that have been published are provisional and may change slightly.
I understand they might change, I'm just trying to point out flaws so its fairer in the end for everyone.
From those regs it's basically saying Clio's can change manifold, wheel size, cup setup alternator, different model wishbones and adjust camber via bolts. What are other models allowed to do as that's deemed as performance mods and is unfair when other models can't do that specific mods as there is no other higher/lower models to steal those parts from?
You see what I mean?
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
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So a novice, faced with a decision to buy a 206 gti with no scope for improving performance, Or buy a 2.0 clio where he can fit better parts from different models, would be a bit dopey to choose the Pug, no?
Daniel
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What if I change the boot floor to a 182 boot floor and tell you all it's a 182?
Then you'd still be cheating lol. I agree its difficult to scrutineer but thats not a reason to allow.
By the same rationalle you could swap the 172 engine/ gearbox/ ECU etc with a "standard" 197
BoatNonce
ClioSport Club Member
No one would enter a heavily Clio favoured championship when the clubs whole point off it staying a standardish 'French' championship rather than a Clio championship is to increase numbers and not reduce them.
206 gti was just an example. I don't know the ins and outs of 106's, 206's, 306's, saxo's, xsara's etc but their is a lot of differing parts that some models have and others don't. How do you school what's allowed and then write regs for all those cars?
206 gti was just an example. I don't know the ins and outs of 106's, 206's, 306's, saxo's, xsara's etc but their is a lot of differing parts that some models have and others don't. How do you school what's allowed and then write regs for all those cars?
Nick 172 cup was speaking with the organisers today and said it would be allowed, camber bolts aren't in there but are also being allowed from what he's said.
Daniel
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I could've sworn you offered fisticuffs to people who tried to bend the rules
I don't see it as cheating, it will offer very little (if any at all!) performance gains. I just wanted to fit it for ease of cat fitment as the car will be road legal.
If it's not allowed it's not allowed I won't lose sleep over it.
Ah right
If they are saying exhaust is free then that makes sense but if they are saying swap oem parts from similar models then its opening up a can of worms and opening the regs up to much greater scope of interpretation. Keep it simple
BoatNonce
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I'm just joking mate. Like you say it'll make sod all difference.
Ah right
As you say a can of worms, It will never say its open to swap parts but every reg is up to the readers interpretation unless it strictly says no for every individual component
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
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Why would we want to go slower?
WRX
I understand your meaning now on your points raised. I thought you were coming from a different angle.
As per swede cup I would have interpreted those rules as meaning a Clio cup has to have 16" wheels and tyres and that an earlier ph2 or ph1 will have to have the less caster wishbones etc.
i don't see how you can swap 182 parts into a 172 or 197 engine etc just because they are all "renaultsport clio"
clarification definitely needed from the organisers IMHO.
i don't see how you can swap 182 parts into a 172 or 197 engine etc just because they are all "renaultsport clio"
clarification definitely needed from the organisers IMHO.
182cup & 172 racecar
Whos going to spend an hour checking each car ffs.
Nobody, I've spoken to Steve about wheel sizes, and the costs involved with buying 16 tyres etc, and about spacers and camber bolts.
He was fine with it all.
Don't all start getting to deep with all this, as I would imagine they will be a constantly changing thing.
But if you don't like them, then don't do it.
Simple as that.
Getting sick of, what about this , what about that.
Nobody, I've spoken to Steve about wheel sizes, and the costs involved with buying 16 tyres etc, and about spacers and camber bolts.
He was fine with it all.
Don't all start getting to deep with all this, as I would imagine they will be a constantly changing thing.
But if you don't like them, then don't do it.
Simple as that.
Getting sick of, what about this , what about that.
I think people would just like it clear before they spend their money, as going and shelling out on some 15 wheels and decent tyres and then they get banned when someone points out your car is a phase 2 would make this "cheap" class a lot dearer?
Likewise it would be frustrating to win a race then get banned when another competitor complains etc.
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
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Because people like you and swede cup love to over complicate things?
So instead of clarification up front you'd rather find out if your manifold is allowed after you have fitted it than before despite what a ballache it would be to swap back?
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
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No I just won't fit it to begin with. The rules are pretty clear and outlined. If there's ten cars in our little series and 9 of us decide that someone's taking the piss we'll do something about it then.
As for the 15/16 inch tyres, who is going to ban you for having 15s when everyone racing will be running 15s? You're a really intelligent man chip, but try and notch it down a bit and keep it simple.
Someone with a pug who doesnt like being beaten by a clio which isnt running the standard wheels as dictated by the rules?
The idea of spotting potential points of argument up front, is to iron them out before season start so they dont become an issue during the season, so results can be about what happens on the track not arguments off it.
Daniel
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You can talk/clarify/explain/more talk/more clarify about what you want mate. Ive no interest in all of that tbh! lol
I just want to build a cheap car and go racing. If I get there and after the first race have to change a couple of things so be it. I'm certainly not going to cry.
As tony and others are pointing out, 15 inch wheels ARE going to be allowed. So you questioning it isn't going to make any difference is it? Thems the rules. As for cup wishbones, if someone can spot them from looking at a parked non cup car, they're a better man than me. Although I don't care because I have a cup.
I just want to build a cheap car and go racing. If I get there and after the first race have to change a couple of things so be it. I'm certainly not going to cry.
As tony and others are pointing out, 15 inch wheels ARE going to be allowed. So you questioning it isn't going to make any difference is it? Thems the rules. As for cup wishbones, if someone can spot them from looking at a parked non cup car, they're a better man than me. Although I don't care because I have a cup.
Well, given the organiser has said we can use 15 wheels as it's cheaper for tyres for us means that others in their cars can use a wheel size that suits them. So there shouldn't be an issue.
These are still 'proposed' rules so they may change as time goes on, for the time being its about getting numbers on the grid and having some fun racing.
You can talk/clarify/explain/more talk/more clarify about what you want mate. Ive no interest in all of that tbh! lol
I just want to build a cheap car and go racing. If I get there and after the first race have to change a couple of things so be it. I'm certainly not going to cry.
As tony and others are pointing out, 15 inch wheels ARE going to be allowed. So you questioning it isn't going to make any difference is it? Thems the rules. As for cup wishbones, if someone can spot them from looking at a parked non cup car, they're a better man than me. Although I don't care because I have a cup.
Daniel, if Tony has said they are allowed thats great, but like I said it makes sense to have clarity in the written rules to be sure, and thats only one example, the wishbones are another and the manifold is another, ideally the rules should be clear enough that such questions are answered in them.
As for spotting cup wishbones, they are actually really easy to tell TBH mate
Thats all anyone wants before a race season starts, its only halfway through the bitching starts normally, so the clearer it is up front, the less issues.
Daniel
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Not to me they're not, because I don't care! Lol
Stop discussing them then and ignore posts from others who do think its worth clarifying? As if disucssing the rules seems tedious, discussing people discussing the rules is even worse, lol.
