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197/200 Brembos on 182 with 280mm Discs



Ash J

ClioSport Club Member
  Sunflower Ph1 172
Looking into possibility of running 197/200 Brembo's on the 182.

I would be using 280mm discs, and running 15" 2118's, so understand I need 5mm machining off mounting face. I will also be running some spacers.

Re pads, I assume just use 197/200 pads in brand/compound of choice.

As for brake hoses - assume these are ok? https://www.brtmotorsport.co.uk/pro...-brembo-brake-hose-kit?variant=29166507851881

Which just leaves brackets - does anybody currently make brackets for Brembo 280mm setup? Pure Motorsport have some brackets, but think this only works with 300mm disc setup?

Appreciate any help!

Ash
 

Clio_fool

ClioSport Club Member
I did, and sold my last pair recently. Unfortunately I'm now on furlough so can't say when I'll be able to make some more.

There is a guy on Facebook making aluminium ones. However he's tapped into them for the caliper bolts and there's not enough material for the minimum thread engagement so personally if stay away from them. That's the reason pms don't make 280 brackets. I could try knock up a pair in steel when I go back to work in a couple of weeks.
 

Ash J

ClioSport Club Member
  Sunflower Ph1 172
I did, and sold my last pair recently. Unfortunately I'm now on furlough so can't say when I'll be able to make some more.

There is a guy on Facebook making aluminium ones. However he's tapped into them for the caliper bolts and there's not enough material for the minimum thread engagement so personally if stay away from them. That's the reason pms don't make 280 brackets. I could try knock up a pair in steel when I go back to work in a couple of weeks.

Appreciate the reply.

Typical you sold the last pair recently!

Not in any immediate rush for brackets so couple of weeks would be fine.

What was the material you previously made them from? Also steel?
 

botfch

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
I did, and sold my last pair recently. Unfortunately I'm now on furlough so can't say when I'll be able to make some more.

There is a guy on Facebook making aluminium ones. However he's tapped into them for the caliper bolts and there's not enough material for the minimum thread engagement so personally if stay away from them. That's the reason pms don't make 280 brackets. I could try knock up a pair in steel when I go back to work in a couple of weeks.

If you are going to do another batch I'll have a set mine are starting to look a little to crusty.
 

Ash J

ClioSport Club Member
  Sunflower Ph1 172
Assume these are no good/won't work with 280mm discs?

 

botfch

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
Assume these are no good/won't work with 280mm discs?


Issue is the aluminium corrodes.

 

Clio_fool

ClioSport Club Member
I did some in steel and some in 6082t6 aluminium. They were zinc plated / hard anodised for extra corrosion resistance.
Those ones above say they are for 300 discs and you can machine the calipers to fit 280's. The calipers need 5mm off to fit 280's with the correct size brackets anyway, I've not seen anyone say they have machined 10mm off a caliper as it's unknown if that will break through into the cavity and scrap the caliper! If someone has a fucked caliper I'll happily try and see what happens. Also the ones on here that are crumbling were made from 7 series aluminium and like those un coated. It's strong but has bugger all corrosion resistance, which is why I used 6 series and hard anodised them. These are mine:
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Tim.

ClioSport Club Member
Is it worth it?

I went down that road but came back again and am now on standards.

Don’t get me wrong, they looked decent but in hindsight I just wouldn’t have bothered as there isn’t enough benefit, certainly no noticeable performance gains for me.
 

botfch

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
Is it worth it?

I went down that road but came back again and am now on standards.

Don’t get me wrong, they looked decent but in hindsight I just wouldn’t have bothered as there isn’t enough benefit, certainly no noticeable performance gains for me.

Depends how you use the car I guess, they shine through on a hot trackday compared to standard.
Also a 197 master cylinder gives you a much better feel over the standard 1*2 setup.
 

Kev@KAM

ClioSport Trader
  Badass Toyota
Is it worth it?

I went down that road but came back again and am now on standards.

Don’t get me wrong, they looked decent but in hindsight I just wouldn’t have bothered as there isn’t enough benefit, certainly no noticeable performance gains for me.

As much as I want a set for my car, I think I will just get some titanium backing plates for the standard caliper made - then run cooling ducts
 
  SI-STI 2.35 & RC-172
As much as I want a set for my car, I think I will just get some titanium backing plates for the standard caliper made - then run cooling ducts
will be doing something similar (y) ,I originally wanted Brembo callipers but as I am going to be running 15" wheels and was told that you have to shave the Brembo caliper down I passed on that idea...
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frayz

ClioSport Club Member
why Ti?
for :cool: ?
or does it have good isolation properties?

Titanium has pretty low rate of thermal conductivity. Widely used in shims to back brake pads and reduce heat transfer to the pistons and thus the Caliper body and fluid. I run titanium shims on my Cayman R as it’s quite popular with the Porsche guys who track their cars.
Personally if you’ve ever put proper pads in the little Clios OEM Calipers, I fail to see how you could require any more in the way of a 4 pot Caliper other than aesthetics.

Has anyone weighed them vs the OEM single piston calipers?
 
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Greeny.

ClioSport Club Member
  440i + 182
Ti shims here on standard callipers, hoping to try them when the tracks open and we are allowed out to play again.
 

bozothenutter

ClioSport Club Member
'Shims' so we're talking less than a mm?
Why not go one up and use something ceramic?
Apparently brake pistons are a thing in loftier circles...
 

frayz

ClioSport Club Member
'Shims' so we're talking less than a mm?
Why not go one up and use something ceramic?
Apparently brake pistons are a thing in loftier circles...
Wouldn’t run them personally. Too many failures.
 
  172 ph2
Looking into possibility of running 197/200 Brembo's on the 182.

I would be using 280mm discs, and running 15" 2118's, so understand I need 5mm machining off mounting face. I will also be running some spacers.

Re pads, I assume just use 197/200 pads in brand/compound of choice.

As for brake hoses - assume these are ok? https://www.brtmotorsport.co.uk/pro...-brembo-brake-hose-kit?variant=29166507851881

Which just leaves brackets - does anybody currently make brackets for Brembo 280mm setup? Pure Motorsport have some brackets, but think this only works with 300mm disc setup?

Appreciate any help!

Ash
I’ve taken on to do the very same, 197/200 brembos under OZ Superleggara 15’s.
I ordered 280mm brackets from Nick in PMS and he sent me a diagram where 1mm needs to be machined off the callipers face that meets the bracket and the to enlarge the holes where the original bolts go. I’m going to hold on until I receive the brackets in the post and offer everything up to the car ... just in case I misunderstood his instructions.
Although, in fairness, Nick is very thorough.

He mentioned that he was trial fitting the same thing under 15” 2118 with very un-Renault offsets and them requiring spacers ... but seemed to think my OZ’s with ET37 should be fine ... will know in the next week I guess.
 

Louis

I Park Like a C**t
ClioSport Club Member
From PMS website
 

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Clio_fool

ClioSport Club Member
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Yep that allows them to retain the minimum thread engagement in the bracket. Obviously your caliper machining is going to be more expensive once a machine shop see those tolerances!
 

ripp

ClioSport Club Member
  182 FFAT
Titanium has pretty low rate of thermal conductivity. Widely used in shims to back brake pads and reduce heat transfer to the pistons and thus the Caliper body and fluid. I run titanium shims on my Cayman R as it’s quite popular with the Porsche guys who track their cars.
Personally if you’ve ever put proper pads in the little Clios OEM Calipers, I fail to see how you could require any more in the way of a 4 pot Caliper other than aesthetics.

Has anyone weighed them vs the OEM single piston calipers?
Yeah I weighted the std calipers vs the brembo ones and you save 2,7 kgs per side with the brembo's, both std calipers with carriers and pads are 11,7 kg, the brembo's are almost half the weight, it's a MASSIVE gain. Even if you go for the 300mm discs you still save weight
 

frayz

ClioSport Club Member
Yeah I weighted the std calipers vs the brembo ones and you save 2,7 kgs per side with the brembo's, both std calipers with carriers and pads are 11,7 kg, the brembo's are almost half the weight, it's a MASSIVE gain. Even if you go for the 300mm discs you still save weight
That comment aged well, ultimately i also fitted the PMS 280mm 2 piece Brembo kit lol
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
I have been debating doing this recently

However having driven a car with them on. There’s zero noticeable difference really bar the stock ones having a bit more feel.

Unsure what to do now

They do look cool mind
 

frayz

ClioSport Club Member
I have been debating doing this recently

However having driven a car with them on. There’s zero noticeable difference really bar the stock ones having a bit more feel.

Unsure what to do now

They do look cool mind
i swapped the whole lot including the 197/200 master cylinder. Big improvement in feel and stopping power.
Full PMS 280mm 2 piece kit with Pagid RSL29. Its worth noting I had RSL29s in the stock calipers too.
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
i swapped the whole lot including the 197/200 master cylinder. Big improvement in feel and stopping power.
Full PMS 280mm 2 piece kit with Pagid RSL29. Its worth noting I had RSL29s in the stock calipers too.

I guess the key thing here is the m/c being swapped as well then huh
 

ripp

ClioSport Club Member
  182 FFAT
I have been debating doing this recently

However having driven a car with them on. There’s zero noticeable difference really bar the stock ones having a bit more feel.

Unsure what to do now

They do look cool mind
My thoughts on this (after I had them on for about 6 months)

1. do it properly
I bought the calipers with some awkward brackets and these seem to be the reason why my brakes squeal like mad (tried 3 different sets of pads from 3 manufacturers)
If you get your hands on some used calipers make sure you rebuild them properly with new pistons and seals. Would be a misfortune to install them only to find out you have some uneven pad wear due to lazy pistons and so on
Also use new bleed screws
And proper brackets made either from stainless steel or zinc plated steel, stay away from aluminium ones.
2. If you want to use 15" wheels have the top and bottom area of the caliper machined radially- it will make the fitment way easier- there are threads open on this subject
3. As far as I see these calipers work best with discs from 300mm upwards, while they do work good on the std 280mm size I find them looking odd (I still have the 280mm discs) - the caliper is too big compared to a 280 disc. But if looks don't matter then it's fine.
4.Brackets
If you're not decided on the disc size you'll be running in the future and decide to start with the 280mm option, I advise to get a bracket that looks like thisKit-freni-Renault-Clio-RS2-26x283-mm-Brembo-2.jpg
This way you won't have to machine the caliper, otherwise if you're decided you're gonna stick to the 280mm disc forever you might aswell get the PM 280 brackets, they are well built but you have to modify the caliper to suit.
If you're thinking the 300mm option then you have more to choose on the market, just make sure you get steel ones
5. *note regarding rebuilding
Make sure you get an extra set of piston seals , I found one that was out of spec (it was too tight an I couldn't insert the piston back in, so I had to buy an extra set of seals as a back-up)
If you do the rebuild by yourself pay close attention on how easy the pistons go back inside, you may encounter one that goes in heavy, pull it out, make sure everything is clean, repeat with another seal until they move smoothly and equally. It will take a while but you have 4 pistons instead of one and I find it important to consider this aspect.
6. They really do inspire more confidence on the track versus the std ones, I read close to 500 degrees celsius on the stock calipers while on these I read barely 300. Bigger pads also help. I also got some braided lines on them so the brakes feel as they should, bar some different pedel feel because I kept the original 182 master cylinder, but it does not bother me at all, makes them more progressive if anything, I'm fine with that.
7. Pad change is a breeze, I run 2 sets of pads, DS2500 from spring to autumn (while there is also some trackday action) and brembo OE pads the rest because swapping is easy peasy
8. Looks
Yeah they look the t*ts, especially if you re-spray them :)
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9. Bottom line- I know everyone says that the std units with decent pads and fluid are enough, but these certainly add a little extra, so if you find a good deal, DO IT

Fitment wise:
I use 2 sets of wheels:
16" Oz ultraleggeras with ET37 offset by 7" wide - with these I need a 5mm spacer to clear the caliper from the spokes nicely
And a set of 16" Oz F1's 7,5"Jx ET37 which don't require a spacer at all
15" is another story and you have to do some homework on that
 

ripp

ClioSport Club Member
  182 FFAT
I guess the key thing here is the m/c being swapped as well then huh
I think that's more of a individual preference. A bigger master cylinder will make the pedal feel more solid but it will make the brakes less progressive. I'm fine of how they behave on the 182 master cylinder. I would swap this at the end only if you're not happy with how they work
 

plenty

ClioSport Club Member
Nothing wrong with OEM stopping power with decent pads, but having experienced the MC swap plus Brembos I would say the feel is night and day compared with OEM.
 

ripp

ClioSport Club Member
  182 FFAT
is there anything to modify on the 197 mc to fit the 1*2? are the threads the same and reservoir ports and all that?
 


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