1.2 16V vs 1.4 8V

_Kenny_ · Sep 15, 2004

Getting fed up reading about Williams vs 172 (as I cant afford either just now!) so starting a new debate!!

Just had a shot of my dads new 1.2 16V and it is not a patch on my 1.4 8 valver! My car feels a lot quicker even tho we r on similar power (a whole 75BHP!!)

Any views on this?

Fred@BTM · Sep 15, 2004

my 1.2 16v pisses all over my old 2000 x-reg 1.4 8V

Tez. · Sep 15, 2004

mines completely standerd 2004 1.2 16v an ive pissed over a few 8v 1.4

only been beaten by one thats cuz the driver hadnt a clue how to drive so i let him race off an lock up at the next lights

Djw John · Sep 15, 2004

TBH I dont think either pisses over the other, especially when both are standard, there might be a slight difference but it probably comes down to driver skill more.

RobFenn · Sep 15, 2004

Well i would expect the 1.4 to be a bit more spritely, must have more torque surely? Lower down too.. On the road though i cant see there being a difference.

-Rob

unofficialPete · Sep 15, 2004

Down to drive.Im sure on paper the 1.4 is quicker..

Saner · Sep 15, 2004

1.4 8v 75bhp 106mph 11.7 0-60
1.2 16v 75bhp 106mph 11.7 0-60

Seem about equal to me

madmax · Sep 15, 2004

1.4 rt 0-60 is meant to be 10.5 acoording to haynes book ive had a 9.52 ou tof mine

Saner · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by madmax on 15 September 2004
1.4 rt 0-60 is meant to be 10.5 acoording to haynes book ive had a 9.52 ou tof mine

That would be teh mk1, his is a mk2

madmax · Sep 15, 2004

still 1.4 8v though

Saner · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by madmax on 15 September 2004
still 1.4 8v though

well, yeah, but he was comparing mk2 against mk2, which is why I showed those figures. There completely different cars (mk1 -mk2). Interesting though taht the mk1 1.4 8v beats the 1.2 8v/16v and 1.4 8v/16v

madmax · Sep 15, 2004

the mk1 weigh nothing compared to mk2 though

Djw John · Sep 15, 2004

Weird, my mate has just bought a mk1 1.4rt and in the 3 runs to 60 we had, he won once, i won once and we drew once, and thats mine with a load of ice in it.

BTW, with my power saping IK on and boot full of MDF etc I ran a 18.5 1/4 at crail and fully stripped with airbox back on a 17.7. No mods at all, not even exhaust.What do standard 1.2 16v do?

Chewy · Sep 15, 2004

Ive got a 1.4S (8v) and ive pissed on my mates mk2 1.2 16v and i pissed on a VTR (although i got off the lights quicker and had smoother gear changes)

but ive been in the mk 1.4 8v when my mum had one, and my mate had a 1.4rt mk1, and he pulled away.

i prefer the mk1 to any others (although i wouldnt miss an opportunity to get a 172 cup

)

Fred@BTM · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by EvilJohn on 15 September 2004

Weird, my mate has just bought a mk1 1.4rt and in the 3 runs to 60 we had, he won once, i won once and we drew once, and thats mine with a load of ice in it.

BTW, with my power saping IK on and boot full of MDF etc I ran a 18.5 1/4 at crail and fully stripped with airbox back on a 17.7. No mods at all, not even exhaust.What do standard 1.2 16v do?

good time that!! best ive done is 18.0 (on 17s)

Dan Page · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Chewy on 15 September 2004

Ive got a 1.4S (8v) and ive pissed on my mates mk2 1.2 16v and i pissed on a VTR (although i got off the lights quicker and had smoother gear changes)

but ive been in the mk 1.4 8v when my mum had one, and my mate had a 1.4rt mk1, and he pulled away.

i prefer the mk1 to any others (although i wouldnt miss an opportunity to get a 172 cup )

that i would have to see!

Chewy · Sep 15, 2004

tbh, it wasnt really pissed on, but i pulled away from it.

and if i recall correctly.. it had 3 people in and it was just me in mine. Granted this slightly changes things, but i still beat one

GeeUK · Sep 15, 2004

I have left 1.4 8v Polos and Pug 1.4 8vs.
I believe the Polos are only 60-65bhp.
But I do have a filter and full zorst system but not when I left the Pug.

Djw John · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 15 September 2004

Quote: Originally posted by EvilJohn on 15 September 2004

Weird, my mate has just bought a mk1 1.4rt and in the 3 runs to 60 we had, he won once, i won once and we drew once, and thats mine with a load of ice in it.

BTW, with my power saping IK on and boot full of MDF etc I ran a 18.5 1/4 at crail and fully stripped with airbox back on a 17.7. No mods at all, not even exhaust.What do standard 1.2 16v do?

Click to expand...

good time that!! best ive done is 18.0 (on 17s)

Cheers was quite pleased myself with it. That was on 195/50/15s so no real loss from them. How come you never did it with the 15s on (apart from it would probbaly wreck the sills?!

BTW Ive never pissed on a VTR, kept up with one with little fuss on the road but at Crail there was almost a second difference.

Ali · Sep 15, 2004

1.4 will piss all over a 1.2! Fred ur car was a quick one, but put 2 peeps in the car and go up a hill and the 1.2 will die!

My best time over a 1/4 mile is 18.045s with a spare tyre and 3 dashes of fuel...17s as well!

Lunner · Sep 15, 2004

1.2 16v is alot quicker i would say, between my 1.8 8v and hass 1.2 16v there isnt a massive difference round corners, but on the straights he dony stand a chance.

Alythough alot of that is prolly due to how far im pushing the car, only ahd it 6 weeks, and its been oftf the rod for 2 of them, so havent found its limits yet

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

erm...

ladies...... i think the question is, which has the better power to weight ratio, when you are talking about so lil different in BHP.

and even then, the winner of a race between the two would be totally down to the individual driver!

imo i would of said the 1.4 8v, im not being basied its just its a elastic band powered tin can, where as the 1.2 16v is an elastic band powered glass jar.

GeeUK · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by AJRMOTORSPORT on 15 September 2004

1.4 will piss all over a 1.2! Fred ur car was a quick one, but put 2 peeps in the car and go up a hill and the 1.2 will die!

My best time over a 1/4 mile is 18.045s with a spare tyre and 3 dashes of fuel...17s as well!

A 1.4 what exactly? As Ive said, ive raced 1.4 Polos and Pugs and left them for dead! Ofcourse you lose performance with passenders, its only a diddy 1.2 16v! Guess what, youll lose performance in a 1.4 8v too!

renaultsport83 · Sep 15, 2004

i wanna strip my seats and spare out in my 1.2 16v to see what she can do! has anybody done this? i bet they can weight a lot alone!

Mack · Sep 15, 2004

I pulled away from my mates 1.2 16v at slower speeds but then at above 55mph he cained me. I am in the more mordern mpi 1.2 8v in the mk1 ph3.

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

If you believe its all down to what written on paper (mug)

then.... click here...

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 (1.2 16V)

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 (1.4 8v)

oh btw... 1.2 16V

Power-to-weight
81.11 bhp/ton

1.4 8v

Power-to-weight
94.12 bhp/ton!!!!!!!!

RobFenn · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by kingJimBob on 15 September 2004

erm...

ladies...... i think the question is, which has the better power to weight ratio, when you are talking about so lil different in BHP.

and even then, the winner of a race between the two would be totally down to the individual driver!

imo i would of said the 1.4 8v, im not being basied its just its a elastic band powered tin can, where as the 1.2 16v is an elastic band powered glass jar.

Good point, 1.4 might weigh more..

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

IMO, if had two equally capable drivers, i would stick my money on the 1.4 8v mainly due to the power to weight

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 15 September 2004

Good point, 1.4 might weigh more..

Click to expand...

hell of alot less believe it or not (well about 50kg

)

[Edited by kingJimBob on 15 September 2004 at 8:59pm]

GeeUK · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by kingJimBob on 15 September 2004

If you believe its all down to what written on paper (mug)

then.... click here...

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 (1.2 16V)

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 (1.4 8v)

oh btw... 1.2 16V

Power-to-weight
81.11 bhp/ton

1.4 8v

Power-to-weight
94.12 bhp/ton!!!!!!!!

Im not sure who you are callling a mug, but im talking from experience not stats.

Mack · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by kingJimBob on 15 September 2004

If you believe its all down to what written on paper (mug)

then.... click here...

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=112838 (1.2 16V)

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=5335 (1.4 8v)

oh btw... 1.2 16V

Power-to-weight
81.11 bhp/ton

1.4 8v

Power-to-weight
94.12 bhp/ton!!!!!!!!

That is a legendery site mate. Been trying to tell my mate his civic 1.3 cant do 0-60 in 10 for ages but couldnt find the figures anywhere. Now i can finally prove it.

Still doesnt have the Mk1 ph3 cars though

[Edited by Mack on 15 September 2004 at 9:03pm]

Djw John · Sep 15, 2004

Thats a Mk1 1.4 youve put there kjb so power to weight would be different. It would appear that the 1.4 is 0.3 sec quicker than the 1.2 down the strip but both 1.2s had 17s on, whose done the strip in a 1.2 with 15s and stripped out, what time did you get?

[Edited by EvilJohn on 15 September 2004 at 9:06pm]

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by GeeUK on 15 September 2004

Im not sure who you are callling a mug, but im talking from experience not stats.

no mate i wasnt aiming it at anybody.

its just u can speak to some1 about two different cars and they say "well its got blah blah BHP" but that doesnt mean sh*t at the end of the day.

its down to the driver and factors such as power to weight

no offence attend to anybody on here.

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by EvilJohn on 15 September 2004

Thats a Mk1 1.4 youve put there kjb.

i thought we were talking about the mark 1.4 8v? (spi)

Vs the modern day 1.2 16V (Mpi?!?!)

[Edited by kingJimBob on 15 September 2004 at 9:07pm]

at the end of the day im pretty sure some1 in a 1.2 16V that was a better driver than me would kick my arse!

renaultsport83 · Sep 15, 2004

we were!!!!!!!!!!

Ali · Sep 15, 2004

But ur rite...experience means piss all...Depends on the driver! Its unfair to compare to others! And i meant the 1.4 8v vs the 1.2 16v. ok?

renaultsport83 · Sep 15, 2004

hey AJRMOTORSPORT do u think my car would peform better than your due to the fact i have the viper or would it not make much difference?

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

im confused about what models we are talking about?

theres been that many in the bloody clio range lol.

all my examples were 1.4 8v MARK 1 Vs a 2002 1.2 16V

GeeUK · Sep 15, 2004

I was just talking about 1.2 16V Clio and what 1.2 8v cars! lol !

kingJimBob · Sep 15, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by GeeUK on 15 September 2004

I was just talking about 1.2 16V Clio and what 1.2 8v cars! lol !

Ooooooooooo i see

then yes i believe 1.2 16V would rip it outta the 8v

1.2 16V vs 1.4 8V

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