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100% complete 172RWD! - updated



stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

new vid people.
doing clutch and gear linkage over easter .
then i just have brakes to play with!
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

having real trouble atm with the electrics playin up!
just canot get it started again?
code reader says a few faults but no serous ones?
air con =removed.
both exhaust sensors.
and evaporation\mix sensor?
none of these will stop it from starting.

coil pack checked all 4plugs leads etc
engine is cranking over
feul is coming out of injectors?

everything works as it should but its not even tryin g to start?
 
  LY 182
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

so fuel pump runs, injectors are firing, each plug is sparking, and you have compression?
yes to all those its probably something like bore wash
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

so fuel pump runs, injectors are firing, each plug is sparking, and you have compression?
yes to all those its probably something like bore wash
it was running fine friday?
havent changed anything.
uh even if it was bore wash it would still atemptto start?
it allmost like there is no fuel going in?
cant smell unburnt petrol?
mybe theres not enough pressure in the rail?
 
  LY 182
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

yeah thats why i said is the pump running it may have just had line pressure when you checked it first unlikey i know but its worth a thought
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

iv ruled out now that it is the pump not staying on when starting!
i got it started again last nite but had to give up as it was late and the stupid started moter was over heating!
 
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ashy_gtt

Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

iv ruled out now that it is the pump not staying on when starting!
i got it started again last nite but had to give up as it was late and the stupid started moter was over heating!

I've had that a few times, if they get too hot you end up melting the plastic gears inside and it seizes up!!
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

iv ruled out now that it is the pump not staying on when starting!
i got it started again last nite but had to give up as it was late and the stupid started moter was over heating!

I've had that a few times, if they get too hot you end up melting the plastic gears inside and it seizes up!!
so any thoughts?
just cant work out whats wrong?:S
tbh its really slowing the project!:mad:
any suggestions welcome as im stuck for ideas.
tryed 2 different thottle bodies motorised.
tryed 2 coil packs
fuel is working when rail is off!
plugs are new.(iridiam)
leads are new.they work.
engine is earthed.
some connectors are not wired in but dont stop it from starting.
manifold air temp,cam sensor,canistor sensor,oil lvl.air con,water temp.
does oil pressure wire need to be connected?
i would of thought so but its started many times before?
how about altenator wire?would that stop it from starting?
 
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

nice... this car will be so much fun when its finished.

good work mate. coming along very nicely.
 
  LY 182
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

so, fuel pump primes, then stops running?
theres a tiny little earth wire that switches the relay via the ecu
if you earth it out (or just power the pump up manually) will it run no problem?
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

uh havent try this yet will tgry running pump manually see if that helps!
its really weird.
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

yep thats right people just waiting for the pics to upload then i will update photo etc!
not long now!
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

come to dead end with this for now.
cant get engine running .
im going to get other bits sorted first then worry about stupid engine.
think i may go omex as it offers alot more.
no pics as i havent made any progress worth looking at.
will keep posted anything worth posting.
this is to me the most difficult part of the conversion.
 
  LY 182
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

dont think like that mate you can sort it, had a thought.
where have you extended the loom to take it all to the rear? just the individual sensor wires?
if so, do you get a steady crank pulse through live data as im thinking the extra resistance in the wire my be messing things up

also,
whats it loosing you say its loosing its fuel?
where are the main engine bay relays etc?
they have stupid little earths on the relays (white wires) triggered by the ecu, im thinking if you have connected one of these you may have this

i had the same problem (well i didnt just thought i did) the ecu earths all the relays out enabling them.
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

dont think like that mate you can sort it, had a thought.
where have you extended the loom to take it all to the rear? just the individual sensor wires?
if so, do you get a steady crank pulse through live data as im thinking the extra resistance in the wire my be messing things up

also,
whats it loosing you say its loosing its fuel?
where are the main engine bay relays etc?
they have stupid little earths on the relays (white wires) triggered by the ecu, im thinking if you have connected one of these you may have this

i had the same problem (well i didnt just thought i did) the ecu earths all the relays out enabling them.
yh iv just extended sensor wires etc.
i wish i just moved the ecu to the rear!:evil:
as for the crank iv used a higher resistance wire so yh you could be right there!
:eek:
will try this the wkd.
when im home,had a play with relays etc dont know wich bugger it is.
fook it im gonna remove all i have done and start again.
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

did you play with what i suggested mate as per txt???
i had a lil play with relays mat but there is 3 small black ones in the old engine bay;) lol
and i found another 4 under dash near fuse box!
could not find which one controled the pump.
now that ditz has sait about crank sensor wires its sounds right.plus i dont think pump is getting enough power!
eg what voltage does it prime with?bout 9volt i tested?!?
when running it was 13-14 sumit.
im thinking of fitting omex anyhow.better in the long run.
 
  LY 182
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

if it were me mate, i would move the entire engine bay loom to the back of the car, ecu the lot.
extend all the wiring from the bulkhead multiplug (dashboard end)
back your engine loom which is now in the back of the car, then all you need to do is pick out the front wiring circuit which is a peice of piss i've done this myself and run that to the front as per normal using the standard section of loom.
it wont take you more than a day doing it that way and i gaurentee no problems.
if you get stuck on the light wiring i can sort you out all the wire colours etc as i have made that section of loom myself on mine.
 
  LY 182
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

its a black one in the engine bay controls the pump, and its earthed by the ecu (a small white wire)
oh and dont be thrown by the pump not priming.
mine dosnt prime as such either, it just donks on ignition and then fires up under crank
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

wish i did put it in the rear now!
stupid electrics.
will have another play the wkd!
 
  172 Race Car
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

I recon moving it all as one to the rear is deffo the way to go steve. Would make diagnosing easier id imagine
 
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

if i was you pal, like i said go with standalone.....i could probly sourse you a top peice of kit for the rite money;)
 
  Mk1 Clio
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

Pure sex on wheels mate n wiring all boils down to trial and error, n lukily theres some smart buggers on here helping! keep your head up itll all come good !!
 
  Exige S1 + Honda S1
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

if i was closer id give you a hand, keep your head up though
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

going to get cracking with it the wkd!
gonna carry on with other bits!
got to get this car done.
 

stevo172-RWD

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 rwd
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

Adptronic E420C
There is only one ECU available - the Adaptronic E420C. New versions will be brought out as new technologies become available and new needs become apparent.
ecu.jpg
Features

Standard ECU features

  • 3D Dual Fuel and Ignition maps
  • 200, 250, 300, or 500rpm Map step sizes
  • Configurable ignition and injection outputs to suit different applications
  • Inputs for water temperature, air temperature, auxiliary temperature (e.g turbo bearing housing temp), manifold air pressure, throttle position, knock sensor, EGO (exhaust gas oxygen)
  • Outputs for four injector groups - allows full sequential injection on a 4-cylinder, Half/third/quarter speed full sequential, or semi-sequential injection on a 6- or 8- cylinder. Up to 16 cylinder engines.
  • Outputs for 3 igniter groups (4 optional) - allows full sequential spark up to four cylinders and wasted spark systems up to 8-cylinders, or any conventional distributor systems.
  • Will calibrate with almost any factory OEM sensor
  • Will work with almost any factory OEM trigger system - no need for aftermarket trigger wheels
  • Eight configurable auxiliary outputs - four of which are configurable as high current outputs, three of which are PWM capable.
  • PC interface
  • Field upgradeable firmware
  • Eight configurable auxiliary digital inputs
  • Datalogging via PC software
Special Features

  • The most advanced, most rapid self learning adaptive fuel control in the industry - with configurable tolerances and gains, and conditions under which adaptive behaviour takes place.
  • Fully selectable air/fuel ratio against load and RPM (including the ability to fuel self map on high load)
  • Adaptive learning can be used fully transparent to driving - allowing engine use whilst ECU adapts to any engine modifications, cams, boost increase, exhaust modifications...
  • Rapid self mapping even from blank base maps.
  • Dual ignition and Fuel maps.
  • High current programmable outputs - allows direct drive of solenoid valves for boost control, air bypass etc, water injection, nitrous control and constraints
  • Two stage soft and hard RPM limiting, with choice of Fuel Cut, ignition cut, or simultaneous.
  • Electronic mappable wastegate boost level control
  • Electronic mappable water injection control.
  • Electronic Blow off valve control - Select activation via MAP level, TPS voltage and duration of opening and fully open or flutter.
  • Vehicle Speed input control and actuation.
  • In gear RPM/load sensing with boost level control per gear
  • Traction control
  • Full throttle flat gear shifting, with selectable RPM parameters.
  • Turbo timer - user selectable against turbo core temperature and duration.
  • Nitrous oxide triggering with user selectable fuel enrichment and ignition retardation.
  • VVT engine control, with full solenoid angle control
  • Engine temperature related rev limiting.
  • Special function programmable outputs - allows control of water injection (against inlet air temp), nitrous systems, anti-pollution purge valves, air conditioners etc in relation to user defined value of any sensor.
  • Sophisticated Ignition knock control, with selective blanking between certain crank angle points, user definable knock map, allowing user to tell the ECU to ignore certain engine noise, e.g created from valve train at certain RPM/loads, engine mounting, and active filtering of background engine noise.
  • Programmable trigger table for infinite different crank angle sensor waveforms, no need for aftermarket trigger wheels... with up to 3 trigger inputs, and even allows input with teeth that are increments of a degree apart, or non symmetrical odd teeth trigger wheels.
  • Serial output can allow use of Vidigauge Live Dash display with user configurable live gauges (not included)
  • Narrow-band (factory EGO sensor) closed loop fuel control on analog input.
  • 5v Wideband EGO Sensor control.
  • Direct Serial Plug in for Wideband Lambda systems - Faster and direct, no need for analogue connection.
  • Direct serial plug in for M&W UEGO LS4 Wideband controller.
  • Direct serial plug in for TechEdge Wideband controllers.
  • Direct serial plug in for Innovate Motorsports LC1 & LM1 Wideband Controllers.
  • Direct serial plug in for FJO Gen III Wideband system.
  • Direct control for Zeitronic and M&W Wideband systems.
  • Warm up / Cold start enrichment.
  • Advanced asyncrononous throttle enrichment - allowing extra fueling to be added, independant and between the regular injector pulses. Programmable from seperate map.
  • Stepper motor and solenoid idle speed control.
  • 5v Linear throttle pot input or digital throttle switches capability.
  • Open-loop idle bypass control - allows configuration of increased idle bypass amount based on low battery, electrical load, air conditioner etc..
  • Ability to work and self calibrate with nearly all original engine sensors, no need to change factory systems.
  • Plus much more....
 
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

Adptronic E420C

There is only one ECU available - the Adaptronic E420C. New versions will be brought out as new technologies become available and new needs become apparent.
ecu.jpg
Features

Standard ECU features
  • 3D Dual Fuel and Ignition maps
  • 200, 250, 300, or 500rpm Map step sizes
  • Configurable ignition and injection outputs to suit different applications
  • Inputs for water temperature, air temperature, auxiliary temperature (e.g turbo bearing housing temp), manifold air pressure, throttle position, knock sensor, EGO (exhaust gas oxygen)
  • Outputs for four injector groups - allows full sequential injection on a 4-cylinder, Half/third/quarter speed full sequential, or semi-sequential injection on a 6- or 8- cylinder. Up to 16 cylinder engines.
  • Outputs for 3 igniter groups (4 optional) - allows full sequential spark up to four cylinders and wasted spark systems up to 8-cylinders, or any conventional distributor systems.
  • Will calibrate with almost any factory OEM sensor
  • Will work with almost any factory OEM trigger system - no need for aftermarket trigger wheels
  • Eight configurable auxiliary outputs - four of which are configurable as high current outputs, three of which are PWM capable.
  • PC interface
  • Field upgradeable firmware
  • Eight configurable auxiliary digital inputs
  • Datalogging via PC software
Special Features
  • The most advanced, most rapid self learning adaptive fuel control in the industry - with configurable tolerances and gains, and conditions under which adaptive behaviour takes place.
  • Fully selectable air/fuel ratio against load and RPM (including the ability to fuel self map on high load)
  • Adaptive learning can be used fully transparent to driving - allowing engine use whilst ECU adapts to any engine modifications, cams, boost increase, exhaust modifications...
  • Rapid self mapping even from blank base maps.
  • Dual ignition and Fuel maps.
  • High current programmable outputs - allows direct drive of solenoid valves for boost control, air bypass etc, water injection, nitrous control and constraints
  • Two stage soft and hard RPM limiting, with choice of Fuel Cut, ignition cut, or simultaneous.
  • Electronic mappable wastegate boost level control
  • Electronic mappable water injection control.
  • Electronic Blow off valve control - Select activation via MAP level, TPS voltage and duration of opening and fully open or flutter.
  • Vehicle Speed input control and actuation.
  • In gear RPM/load sensing with boost level control per gear
  • Traction control
  • Full throttle flat gear shifting, with selectable RPM parameters.
  • Turbo timer - user selectable against turbo core temperature and duration.
  • Nitrous oxide triggering with user selectable fuel enrichment and ignition retardation.
  • VVT engine control, with full solenoid angle control
  • Engine temperature related rev limiting.
  • Special function programmable outputs - allows control of water injection (against inlet air temp), nitrous systems, anti-pollution purge valves, air conditioners etc in relation to user defined value of any sensor.
  • Sophisticated Ignition knock control, with selective blanking between certain crank angle points, user definable knock map, allowing user to tell the ECU to ignore certain engine noise, e.g created from valve train at certain RPM/loads, engine mounting, and active filtering of background engine noise.
  • Programmable trigger table for infinite different crank angle sensor waveforms, no need for aftermarket trigger wheels... with up to 3 trigger inputs, and even allows input with teeth that are increments of a degree apart, or non symmetrical odd teeth trigger wheels.
  • Serial output can allow use of Vidigauge Live Dash display with user configurable live gauges (not included)
  • Narrow-band (factory EGO sensor) closed loop fuel control on analog input.
  • 5v Wideband EGO Sensor control.
  • Direct Serial Plug in for Wideband Lambda systems - Faster and direct, no need for analogue connection.
  • Direct serial plug in for M&W UEGO LS4 Wideband controller.
  • Direct serial plug in for TechEdge Wideband controllers.
  • Direct serial plug in for Innovate Motorsports LC1 & LM1 Wideband Controllers.
  • Direct serial plug in for FJO Gen III Wideband system.
  • Direct control for Zeitronic and M&W Wideband systems.
  • Warm up / Cold start enrichment.
  • Advanced asyncrononous throttle enrichment - allowing extra fueling to be added, independant and between the regular injector pulses. Programmable from seperate map.
  • Stepper motor and solenoid idle speed control.
  • 5v Linear throttle pot input or digital throttle switches capability.
  • Open-loop idle bypass control - allows configuration of increased idle bypass amount based on low battery, electrical load, air conditioner etc..
  • Ability to work and self calibrate with nearly all original engine sensors, no need to change factory systems.
  • Plus much more....


oh rite.........there nice;)
 
  Vauxhalls
Re: 70% complete 172RWD!

I've had that a few times, if they get too hot you end up melting the plastic gears inside and it seizes up!!
so any thoughts?
just cant work out whats wrong?:S
tbh its really slowing the project!:mad:
any suggestions welcome as im stuck for ideas.
tryed 2 different thottle bodies motorised.
tryed 2 coil packs
fuel is working when rail is off!
plugs are new.(iridiam)
leads are new.they work.
engine is earthed.
some connectors are not wired in but dont stop it from starting.
manifold air temp,cam sensor,canistor sensor,oil lvl.air con,water temp.
does oil pressure wire need to be connected?
i would of thought so but its started many times before?
how about altenator wire?would that stop it from starting?

Ello There mate. awsum project you got goin here. i saw this bit but wasnt sure...... does this mean you dont have the cam sensor plugged in?? because many ECU's (not sure with Renaults) need a crank signal and cam signal to start them.
it one of those obvious things that id thought id ask u about just incase, but hey... thought it was worth mentioning.

Good Luck!!
 
  LY 182
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

looks good aslong as you can find someone familiar or should i say willing to map it
 
  LY 182
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

they dont really have a cam sensor
only a depahser solenoid you may be confusing it with and it runs without this
 
  Clio 172 Sport Ph2
Re: 80% complete 172RWD! - updated

Stevo - I ordered my Adaptronic E420C last week for my Clio - should have it in a couple of weeks time. Going to be running it in conjunction with my new Jenvey throttle bodies. Would be good to bounce ideas off each other should we run into problems.
 


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