182 Cup Vs Trophy

[Inferno]

182 FF = 1110kg

182 cup = 1090kg

(weights from Evo magazine)

I've had mine on the scales and (full of fuel) it came out at the quoted 1090kg.

 

[Stevie]

^^ well Trophy is 1075kg according to Renault. I thought the Cup was 1060kg.

 

[Cue]

renaults weights are dry weight iirc, where as Evo's are wet weights i.e inc oil, water, fluids, fuel etc.

 

[Dave H]

The only thing l don't like about my Cup is the material that covers the seats (seats are great otherwise) and the bleedin' steering wheel. Ever since someone mentioned on here that it was 'big' it has bugged me....and now its getting worn where l hold it and its only done 20k !!!

Can the wheel be changed for anything smaller with the same buttons on that won't change the steering feel?

 

[Inferno]

I know what you mean about the size of the wheel, but mine is showing no sign of wear at all (34k)? The only change of steering wheel you could do that would suit your requirements is a 182ff wheel - but I don't think it's that much smaller?

 

[ForceIndia]

182 FF wheel is larger than the 182 cup wheel.

 

[Inferno]

Really? The cup wheel is just taken from the dynamique though isn't it?

 

[paul]

have had both cars and prefer the dynamique wheel - more feel - the ff wheel is to chucky and melts in the sun!

 

[JonC]

According to my owners manual, the kerb weight of the Trophy is 1035KG, I assume this is the "dry" weight?

 

[ForceIndia]

have had both cars and prefer the dynamique wheel - more feel - the ff wheel is to chucky and melts in the sun!

I agree, in the process of getting a dynamique wheel to replace my 172ff wheel

 

[paul]

have had both cars and prefer the dynamique wheel - more feel - the ff wheel is to chucky and melts in the sun!

I agree, in the process of getting a dynamique wheel to replace my 172ff wheel

theres only use that agree! but there only use that have had both wheels

 

[jamie_c1973]

Regarding wheels, at least with a cup you dont need to worry about the rubber grips splitting and falling off.

Regarding weight with a FF vs cup, cant be much, surely?

Xenon cant be lighter than normal lights
Cloth isnt lighter than leather
Climate isn't heavier than standard air (unit may even be lighter)
any other stuff I've missed?
A speaker or 2 fewer?

Presumably the trophy turninis are significantly lighter and I guess the dampers and recaros must be too.

 

[Inferno]

The recaros are heavy! I doubt there is much weight difference between them and standard seats.

The cups also lost the split fold rear seats and rear headrests, which will be a few kgs. I think that side airbags were also lost?

Total weight difference between the two cars is only 20kg.

 

[ForceIndia]

Love the way a lot of people say the 182cup was irrelevant, but then think the 197cup is the mutts despite pretty much the same weight saving!

 

[Inferno]

I'm dusting off the work vehicle scales! I need a ff 182 to weigh!

 

[Rich]

I'm dusting off the work vehicle scales! I need a ff 182 to weigh!

Hoping to get mine weighed next weekend at Combe or one of the racedays.

 

[Inferno]

A proper race car pad set up would be nice as ours will only be accurate to the nearest 10kg. When you weigh it make sure you know accurately the amount of fuel in the tank.

 

[paul]

I'm dusting off the work vehicle scales! I need a ff 182 to weigh!

Hoping to get mine weighed next weekend at Combe or one of the racedays.

your not going to use it are you

 

[paul]

Love the way a lot of people say the 182cup was irrelevant, but then think the 197cup is the mutts despite pretty much the same weight saving!

Agree!!!

 

[Cupster]

Complete lol @ this thread, they are all the same core car! How many times are people gonna get sucked into these arguments!

 

[paul]

I love my cup and know its the best of the 182 range :rasp: FULL STOP.... end of thread
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[Dan R]

The Trophy was set up by reno specifically for English B roads!

Exactly! and I couldn't see a significant difference on the test drive and I don't think most people would. I don't claim to be an exceptional driver, but I do enjoy a good thrash. Maybe if I thrashed it within a inch of its life down a closed road or something similar maybe I might see the benefits.[/quote]

Nor me. I drove my mates trophy and apart from the seats i prefer my 182 cup wih my AST coilovers. Better drive imo.

 

[Dan R]

When my 182 cup was weighed at powerstation ready for the AST stuff it had next to no fuel in it and it came out at 1072 kg

 

[Beef-Mc]

Trophy is the better car from standard though.

With the 197 prices pushing the 1*2 prices down I would look at a Trophy as they hold there money better

 

[Dan R]

Trophy is the better car from standard though.

With the 197 prices pushing the 1*2 prices down I would look at a Trophy as they hold there money better

 

[Stevie]

182 FF wheel is larger than the 182 cup wheel.

No, it's the same wheel with thumb grips and an RS badge.

 

[paul]

The Trophy was set up by reno specifically for English B roads!

Exactly! and I couldn't see a significant difference on the test drive and I don't think most people would. I don't claim to be an exceptional driver, but I do enjoy a good thrash. Maybe if I thrashed it within a inch of its life down a closed road or something similar maybe I might see the benefits.

Nor me. I drove my mates trophy and apart from the seats i prefer my 182 cup wih my AST coilovers. Better drive imo.[/QUOTE]

Agree i have driven a trophy and i couldnt tell the difference either! its all advertising marketing speal sp imo! i prefer my seats too (now) sit much lower! and paid approx 1 thousand pounds cheaper than a trophy would have set me back

 

[Dan R]

Trophy is the better car from standard though.

With the 197 prices pushing the 1*2 prices down I would look at a Trophy as they hold there money better

Id just buy a megane R26. It would walk all over one. MUCH much better chassis. Brilliant car!

 

[paul]

182 FF wheel is larger than the 182 cup wheel.

No, it's the same wheel with thumb grips and an RS badge.

thumb grips are a waste!

 

[ForceIndia]

Er, not it's not! I actually measured the wheels, the dynamique wheel is about 2-3cm smaller in diameter. Also has a far thinner rim, and isn't leather, so deffo not the same wheel.

 

[Beef-Mc]

Er, not it's not! I actually measured the wheels, the dynamique wheel is about 2-3cm smaller in diameter. Also has a far thinner rim, and isn't leather, so deffo not the same wheel.

Well the Expression wheel is the same diameter, checked them both before I put the wheel on my car.

 

[Stevie]

The Trophy was set up by reno specifically for English B roads!

Exactly! and I couldn't see a significant difference on the test drive and I don't think most people would. I don't claim to be an exceptional driver, but I do enjoy a good thrash. Maybe if I thrashed it within a inch of its life down a closed road or something similar maybe I might see the benefits.

Nor me. I drove my mates trophy and apart from the seats i prefer my 182 cup wih my AST coilovers. Better drive imo.[/quote]

There isn't a massive different across the RS range however if you take a 182 Cup, add some recaros, lower springs, sach dampers and steering revisions etc... you end up with a better car ofcourse ie. the Trophy.

 

[paul]

Er, not it's not! I actually measured the wheels, the dynamique wheel is about 2-3cm smaller in diameter. Also has a far thinner rim, and isn't leather, so deffo not the same wheel.

agree (not sure about the size issue) but a thinner wheel feels better to drive imo!

 

[Stevie]

No, it's the same wheel with thumb grips and an RS badge.

thumb grips are a waste!

why do most manufacturers have them on their sport models these days then?

 

[paul]

thumb grips are a waste!

why do most manufacturers have them on their sport models these days then?

to con you to think they are good :rasp:

Just imo ive had both cars and the thin wheel feels better to drive less fussy!

 

[Rich]

Hoping to get mine weighed next weekend at Combe or one of the racedays.

your not going to use it are you

Using it for work at the moment ...when it is dry ...

 

[paul]

your not going to use it are you

Using it for work at the moment ...when it is dry ...

small steps and all that

 

[Stevie]

why do most manufacturers have them on their sport models these days then?

to con you to think they are good :rasp:

Just imo ive had both cars and the thin wheel feels better to drive less fussy!

fair enough, I prefer a thicker wheel myself.

 

[paul]

to con you to think they are good :rasp:

Just imo ive had both cars and the thin wheel feels better to drive less fussy!

fair enough, I prefer a thicker wheel myself.

its all about the girth so ive heard :rasp:

 

[Inferno]

There isn't a massive different across the RS range however if you take a 182 Cup, add some recaros, lower springs, sach dampers and steering revisions etc... you end up with a better car ofcourse ie. the Trophy.

Steering revisions? Not heard of any changes they did to the steering?
(Fan of the Trophy by the way)