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Nissan 350Z
pecan said:
I've seen at least one review now that stated the 1.6 Zetec S was actually nicer to drive than the ST.
Hondata'd EP3 Type R
you also must remember this is a clio forum, there fore biased.
better off asking on an independant forum tbh.
better off asking on an independant forum tbh.
Crazy Clio said:
Yeah i expect a bias view, although it may be the right view - the test drives will have to decide that
Its interesting to see that although I said I wasn't worried about the extra performance pretty much all the pro 182 owners justify it on speed.
I drive a 1.6 16v clio at the moment and its nice enough and the speed is fine, although a bit extra would be nice. If one thing is putting me off another clio its the rattles, creaky sunroof and the apparent awful after sales support.
172 Cup
Dazz said:
It's a Renault, build quality is not it's strong point.. but that's not why we all bought one, if you want the most fun in a motor you can have for under £12,000ish then buy a 182. If you're worried about the boring aspects of motoring then buy the 150.. You'll be missing out if you do tho, imo.
MINI JCW
182 everytime as long as performance, handling and fun are the top of your list, if your looking for something more comfortable and refined then go for the ST. As an hot hatch the 182 is far better value for money.
Yes you can tune the ST to 200bhp but insurance cost on that will be much higher than the 182.
Yes you can tune the ST to 200bhp but insurance cost on that will be much higher than the 182.
X-172 Cup
not biased honest, in terms of performance there is no competition...182 everytime...
Fiesta does have better build quality and better residuals but come on Ford! 150 BHP from a 2.0 engine in a 'hot hatch' we know you can do better...from all accounts the chassis could easily cope with another 30-40 BHP...I like the interior of the ST too
I nearly shelved out 10k for a used ST but paid out less than 7k on a Cup and got better performance & handling...
A mate of mine has got a Ka sport thingy and he says it's more fun to drive than the ST Fiesta...
Fiesta does have better build quality and better residuals but come on Ford! 150 BHP from a 2.0 engine in a 'hot hatch' we know you can do better...from all accounts the chassis could easily cope with another 30-40 BHP...I like the interior of the ST too
I nearly shelved out 10k for a used ST but paid out less than 7k on a Cup and got better performance & handling...
A mate of mine has got a Ka sport thingy and he says it's more fun to drive than the ST Fiesta...
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mk2 ph2 1.2 16v
Got to be the 182 a guy a know has the ST and it's not worth having imo the 182 wuld b so much faster nd better.
J
JACKO CUP 172!
get a 182 u will loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove it
jacko
jacko
RB + LY 182 FF
IMO the fiesta ST is not a patch on a clio 182. this thread should be 182 vs. focus ST that the decent car with a ford badge on the road at the moment. the fiesta is a poorer version and cheaper version of the focus for those who either cant drive a big car or cant afford the focus.
my dad has a blue focus ST3 and its gorgeous,i personally wouldnt even consider a fiesta ST when it WILL always get overshadowed by better cars such as the focus
my dad has a blue focus ST3 and its gorgeous,i personally wouldnt even consider a fiesta ST when it WILL always get overshadowed by better cars such as the focus
Nissan 350Z
SOHROB said:
So having to spend extra money to end up with 10 bhp less is a good thing?
Clio 172 mk2
Nat8701 said:IMO the fiesta ST is not a patch on a clio 182. this thread should be 182 vs. focus ST that the decent car with a ford badge on the road at the moment. the fiesta is a poorer version and cheaper version of the focus for those who either cant drive a big car or cant afford the focus.
my dad has a blue focus ST3 and its gorgeous,i personally wouldnt even consider a fiesta ST when it WILL always get overshadowed by better cars such as the focus
Both awful
Well I've just traded in the Clio for the fiesta ST.
While I wanted a bigger engine - speed didnt drive me into a sportier hatch, its just useful on the motorway to have a 2litre.
I've now driven clio renault sport and ST. and I think the St is so much nicer to drive. To be able to corner hard without believing you are about to completely roll over is nice
The Ford dealers have sales service which is so so so so much better than renault. Renault have always been appalling - whereever I've gone.
The interior is better (its the facelift ST), I've had the older Fiesta - now same age as my old Clio. Oddly enough while my clio begun falling apart there is not one rattle or knock from the Fiesta. I prefer the driving position and the more 'grown up' feel of the car
There is a glorious range of included options and some really well priced extras too. The quickclear windscreen is a godsend when you dont want your AC blowing gale force on winter mornings. I cant fault the styling and am considering getting it modified through Cosworth up to 240 bph. My insurance only increases by 500 (STILL less than it is to get me on a renaultsport!) and the mod itself is pretty well priced. Alternatively I can go for 170 or 200 bhp.
I'm looking forward to the much better Ford service we always have recieved, as opposed to managers from Renault who have sworn at me down the phone in the past and come out with 'go on then, call trading standards, you wont get anywhere with a company like ours'
I still love Clios, always will. But theres been a few hairy moments down to the poor handling lately and I just need more safety. The two big accidents to have affected my life (my boyfriends and my mums friend) both involved Clios (one was mine) rolling when they should not have at all.
While I wanted a bigger engine - speed didnt drive me into a sportier hatch, its just useful on the motorway to have a 2litre.
I've now driven clio renault sport and ST. and I think the St is so much nicer to drive. To be able to corner hard without believing you are about to completely roll over is nice
The Ford dealers have sales service which is so so so so much better than renault. Renault have always been appalling - whereever I've gone.
The interior is better (its the facelift ST), I've had the older Fiesta - now same age as my old Clio. Oddly enough while my clio begun falling apart there is not one rattle or knock from the Fiesta. I prefer the driving position and the more 'grown up' feel of the car
There is a glorious range of included options and some really well priced extras too. The quickclear windscreen is a godsend when you dont want your AC blowing gale force on winter mornings. I cant fault the styling and am considering getting it modified through Cosworth up to 240 bph. My insurance only increases by 500 (STILL less than it is to get me on a renaultsport!) and the mod itself is pretty well priced. Alternatively I can go for 170 or 200 bhp.
I'm looking forward to the much better Ford service we always have recieved, as opposed to managers from Renault who have sworn at me down the phone in the past and come out with 'go on then, call trading standards, you wont get anywhere with a company like ours'
I still love Clios, always will. But theres been a few hairy moments down to the poor handling lately and I just need more safety. The two big accidents to have affected my life (my boyfriends and my mums friend) both involved Clios (one was mine) rolling when they should not have at all.
Nissan 350Z
Clio Sport poor handling? LMAO.
Trophy
pbirkett said:
Claire was referencing to a normal 1.2 and not a RenaultSport!
I used to drive a SEAT Leon Cupra R and changed it for a Trophy. My friend drives a 172 and when we went out for some twisty A/B road fun the Clio corners much quicker and the LCR needed it's brut force to keep in the running!
For Evo to put a £15,000 hot hatch up against an £80,000 M6 it's got to be pretty good and for the same hot hatch to the come in third behind the F430 and Ford GT (beating the Gallardo SE) it's got to have something going for it!?!?
The comment about the ST handling better than the Trophy was a little strange....
Trophy
I've just checed and Evo gave the ST 3.5 stars whilst the 172s get 4.5 and the 182s all get 5 stars! The negative points on the ST are 'gutless engine' and 'dissappointing chassis'!
NEED V6!
Drove both Fiesta & Focus ST and to be honest they were just cr$p
RenaultSport clio 182
Hahaha, comical thread. Fiesta St Is ugly cheap and crap, 172/182 would whoop an ST any day of the week. And the interior is RANK inside it. its standard ford crap interior all round. However Focus ST is a bit of a beast and sounds amazing
R
rich[182]
grahamk182 said:
Whilst I don't particularly like the ST (and own a 172) The build quality of the ST is in my opinion better than the 172. I also think the handling of a standard "full fat" 172 Mk2 is overated too.
In a straight line I'd expect to leave the ST behind, I'm yet to be convinced that I'd do one on the twisties. My wife's Golf 2.0 GT TDi has less body roll than my 172, and that was before my rear shocks went west
