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rich[182]
Well I've owned a full fat 172 from new, my only ever gripe has been the excessive body roll, even before my shocks went west. I can't speak for the cup or 182 variants but in my opinion the body roll and back-end nervousness of a full fat 172 on standard suspension is poor. Put it this way, I'd never take on a 106 GTi or a 306GTi or even a mildly modded Saxo VTS unless it was almost straight-line
Standard brakes are awesome, I can't say the same about standard shocks & spring setup
All IMHO
Standard brakes are awesome, I can't say the same about standard shocks & spring setup
All IMHO
You know some of you people could be a little more polite than just completely salg other peoples cars off. While I dont like the renaultsports I have not done this about yours. I think a lot of people need to stop reading reviews from biased sources or random mags and actually compare the two properly. I have done that and the ST won out. I was unbiased when I started and then completely leaned toward the ST. And lmao at the 'cheap' comments. The renault sport is french! and cost a VERY similar price new
Exactly. I can obviously understand the people with renaultsports who want the car for the speed (more so the track day frequenting crowd)
I wanted a bigger engine but didnt need anything too beefy or 'roaring'. The interior quality outdoes the Renaultsports and the options offered on my facelift model are fantastic (I have most of them). I prefer the Blue over all the Clio colours bar the pearl black.
I totally agree the Renaultsport is a nice car. But the 'basic' renaultsports just dont do it for me. I'm sick and tired of every renault I'v been in and the servicing on the ST is about £100 cheaper than my 1.2 from the dealer (Well it would be if I had to pay for servicing!) All in all its a bloody good deal regardless of my discount. And I'm dead pleased with my choice. I'm never going back to French cars - Ijust wont be able to take that plunge again.
In this case, a big factor in turning me off probably was the maker
I wanted a bigger engine but didnt need anything too beefy or 'roaring'. The interior quality outdoes the Renaultsports and the options offered on my facelift model are fantastic (I have most of them). I prefer the Blue over all the Clio colours bar the pearl black.
I totally agree the Renaultsport is a nice car. But the 'basic' renaultsports just dont do it for me. I'm sick and tired of every renault I'v been in and the servicing on the ST is about £100 cheaper than my 1.2 from the dealer (Well it would be if I had to pay for servicing!) All in all its a bloody good deal regardless of my discount. And I'm dead pleased with my choice. I'm never going back to French cars - Ijust wont be able to take that plunge again.
In this case, a big factor in turning me off probably was the maker
BMW 330d :)
Claire you cant compare the basic 1.2 clio against the top of the range st. Have you even driven a renaultsport?
MINI JCW
Claire said:
The ST is a good car but IMO it is underpowered and also weighs more than the 182. I dont think the ST is as good value for money as the 182 but that is mainly because of the difference in performance.
I see where the ST makes sense as its more refined, cheaper insurance but in this case it shouldnt have been the top of the fiesta range, it should have been 2nd behind a 200bhp Fiesta RS
But if performance isnt your main concern the ST makes good sense
MINI JCW
Claire said:
Yes very suprised there was no RS model, I remember Ford saying there wasnt demand for it, I find that strange though.
Have you driven a 172/182? the reason I ask is that IMO it feels very stable with very little roll, the speed you can carry few corners is very impressive. My brother used to have a 330ci and after back to back driving of each we both agreed that through roundabouts the 182 can carry so much more speed.
I cant comment on the ST as I have never driven one. My 2nd car is a Fiesta 1.4 diesel so Im not sure thats a fair comparison with the 182 in terms of handling
At the end of the day we are all different and it would be a very boring world if we all liked the same car
Yeh I have (had to take like a million cars out to decide) I have a bit of a stigma now with the Clios though. After that night standing on a hill seeing my car 10 metres below me on the roof and all my friends hospitalised jsut made me really nervous about them.
My dad has the 1.4 diesel. Its a slow pulling car but considering the way he corners it does handle surprisingly well
My dad has the 1.4 diesel. Its a slow pulling car but considering the way he corners it does handle surprisingly well
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dick
bloody frog lights i hate
When i test drove the ST i couldn't help but think i was driving a tractor and that is coming from someone who drives a 182. The seat was soooo high!!
Also when you look at the centre console on the ST, i don't know about anyone else, but it reminds me of a face. Air vents are the eyes, hazad switch is the nose, and the space above the headunit is the mouth. I just couldn't live with it. See below:
Tyson.
Also when you look at the centre console on the ST, i don't know about anyone else, but it reminds me of a face. Air vents are the eyes, hazad switch is the nose, and the space above the headunit is the mouth. I just couldn't live with it. See below:
Tyson.
BMW 330d :)
Well countless mags cant be wrong. The clio is the better car. More fun to drive, faster and cheaper. If you want to go for a overweight, underpowered and more expensive fiesta then thats your choice. But dont come onto a clio site and start saying that the fiesta is a better car than the 182. It just isnt. End of 
182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
Claire said:Well I've just traded in the Clio for the fiesta ST.
While I wanted a bigger engine - speed didnt drive me into a sportier hatch, its just useful on the motorway to have a 2litre.
I've now driven clio renault sport and ST. and I think the St is so much nicer to drive. To be able to corner hard without believing you are about to completely roll over is nice
The Ford dealers have sales service which is so so so so much better than renault. Renault have always been appalling - whereever I've gone.
The interior is better (its the facelift ST), I've had the older Fiesta - now same age as my old Clio. Oddly enough while my clio begun falling apart there is not one rattle or knock from the Fiesta. I prefer the driving position and the more 'grown up' feel of the car
There is a glorious range of included options and some really well priced extras too. The quickclear windscreen is a godsend when you dont want your AC blowing gale force on winter mornings. I cant fault the styling and am considering getting it modified through Cosworth up to 240 bph. My insurance only increases by 500 (STILL less than it is to get me on a renaultsport!) and the mod itself is pretty well priced. Alternatively I can go for 170 or 200 bhp.
I'm looking forward to the much better Ford service we always have recieved, as opposed to managers from Renault who have sworn at me down the phone in the past and come out with 'go on then, call trading standards, you wont get anywhere with a company like ours'
I still love Clios, always will. But theres been a few hairy moments down to the poor handling lately and I just need more safety. The two big accidents to have affected my life (my boyfriends and my mums friend) both involved Clios (one was mine) rolling when they should not have at all.
Some very conflicting points of view here. Firstly you say your looking forward to corning hard without worry of rolling over? Did you even try the RS hard into a corner? Its like a go cart,my 182 has hardly any body roll and i feel safe as can be in it. I had a ST for 4 weeks back in the UK and now looking back it cornered not nearly aswell IMHO.
All 172/182 come with fabulous options as you mention the ST does. Your accidents i presume came in the 1.2? But it seems your judging the RS by the same book,hardly unbias is it?
NEED V6!
Its a ford:clown: LOL
Trophy
Claire said:
What caused the accident? I rolled (cart wheeled) a Leon Cupra R and went straight out and bought another one based on the premise that I walked away from it with a graze and bruise!!
Any car will roll in the right circumstances and those circumstances are often if you are carrying speed and the cars 'forward' motion is suddenly stopped, the kinetic engery will need to go somewhere and this often manifests itself as flipping the car....
From personal experience though I can tell you that the Trophy feels more stable in the corners than the LCR....
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
Fiesta st looks nice...very nice. Thats as polite as i'll be.
as far as performance, build quality, reliability goes.... PMSL!
You get good ones and bad ones, same as any manufacturer. Ask loony on here, he's worked for BMW and even he says the same about their high end motors. And as for customer service being good from ford, you've got to be kidding me??!!
At the end of the day (it gets dark!) you are on a clio forum, so of course i'm going to be biased... I fookin love my car, in the time i've owned it, its only ever been into the dealer for one split pipe. Next to no reliability issues what so ever. And the same can be said for more than 5 of my mates who also own them!!!
as far as performance, build quality, reliability goes.... PMSL!
You get good ones and bad ones, same as any manufacturer. Ask loony on here, he's worked for BMW and even he says the same about their high end motors. And as for customer service being good from ford, you've got to be kidding me??!!
At the end of the day (it gets dark!
) you are on a clio forum, so of course i'm going to be biased... I fookin love my car, in the time i've owned it, its only ever been into the dealer for one split pipe. Next to no reliability issues what so ever. And the same can be said for more than 5 of my mates who also own them!!!
renault trophy 182
st bit better on the looks side but power 182 all the way, just raced this lad in his st hes just had a full exhaust system with decat and filter fitted, 2nd gear round an island seen him boot it so i planted me foot bit of 1 second lagg then 5k kick came n i was up his arse went to go by n he cut me up, so i did him at the nxt island, 182 all the way
Clio 172 mk2
Tyson-182 said:When i test drove the ST i couldn't help but think i was driving a tractor and that is coming from someone who drives a 182. The seat was soooo high!!
Also when you look at the centre console on the ST, i don't know about anyone else, but it reminds me of a face. Air vents are the eyes, hazad switch is the nose, and the space above the headunit is the mouth. I just couldn't live with it. See below:
Tyson.
lol..that's really mad me chuckle...I can see what you mean and I couldn't live with that either
cock mobile.
Some of the comments on this thread are fantastic!
I especially like claire's comments
I thought that was funny enough, but then we get this:
Can any spell con-tra-dic-tion
Anyway, I like the ST, but I much prefer my Cup, if you're happy with the car Claire, then it's all good, it's your money
I especially like claire's comments
Claire said:
I thought that was funny enough, but then we get this:
Claire said:
Can any spell con-tra-dic-tion
Anyway, I like the ST, but I much prefer my Cup, if you're happy with the car Claire, then it's all good, it's your money
