Adeys F4RT Twingo GT

[Ol’ Tarby]

So glad you had this back, rather than me selling it to a random 👍👍👍


P.s. first dibs when selling 🤣

 

[Twingo 1??]

So glad you had this back, rather than me selling it to a random 👍👍👍


P.s. first dibs when selling 🤣

Think I got in there first with first dibs .

 

[Adey.]

you can fight over the rusting shell and pile of useless parts if you like hahaha

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

Think I got in there first with first dibs .

Previous owners get priority 🤣

 

[Krarl]

I reckon it should go to me because at least it will get used you shitehouses😂

 

[Adey.]

Info post copied from my thread on turborenault

megane 2.0T 225/r26
inlet cam 8200038042
exh cam 8200374007
rods 7701478497
pistons 8200264972 marking B 8200264983 marking C

Laguna GT205 BG0T
inlet cam 8200038042
eh cam 8200374007
rods 7701478497
pistons 8200264972 marking B 8200264983 marking C

EDIT after lots of searching there does seem to be some variances in camshaft and pistons between all the megane's and laguna's. Even with different pistons the comp ratio seems to look the same. From comparing the 225 and r26 have different exh cams. The laguna seems to have the r26 versions based on the chassis code of the car it came from. Either way im pretty sure that bar mapping the engine and internals are capable of the same.

CM2M r26
exh cam 8200374007

CM0M 225
exh cam 8200911103

 

[Adey.]

as another anal post and abit of info have this i collated this morning

R26 CM2H

Exh cam 8200374007

Pistons 8200264983



225 3 door CM0M

Exh cam 8200911103

Pistons 8200264983



225 5 door BM0M

Exh cam 8200911103

Pistons 8200264983



CM1V IS 3dr 225 WITH CUP PACK

Exh cam 8200374007

Pistons 8200264983



BM1V IS 5dr 225 WITH CUP PACK

Exh cam 8200374007

Pistons 8200264983



Laguna 205 hatch BG0T

Exh cam 8200374007

Pistons 8200264983



Laguna 205 Break/estate KG0T

Exh cam 8200374007

Pistons 8200264983

 

[JohnRogers]

loads of time through lockdown, cant wait to see it finished!

 

[Adey.]

loads of time through lockdown, cant wait to see it finished!

I've had loads of time off since March being CEV, so trying to be productive and keep the mind fresh. Unfortunately funding things whilst off is more difficult 😕

 

[JohnRogers]

Always the way mate and when you've got a fat wallet you've never got time SODS LAW

 

[Adey.]

So here's the plan, Some SW PMT work in effect. Using mainly Renault parts and as few custom parts as possible I plan to drop an f4rt engine in the Twingo. The engine was had for a bargain and tbh, if I hadn't found it I wouldn't be doing this swap. Using the parts database I've been able to look up a fair few parts and cross reference them with others to see what will/should fit. And using my previously acquired pikey skills I plan to make it work. Now there are better ways to go about this but I'm doing this on the cheap and keeping it relatively simple and easy to fit. Many many hours have been spent seeing what should fit though and keep the costs right down.

Take one f4rt turbo engine, modify a 172 cambelt cover to not fowl the belt and then fit the 172 upper engine mount as per the pic. The meg cover is wider and the 172 upper mount doesn't fit it correctly.
Next will be fit a flywheel and clutch (for alignment) from a clio3/megane2 1.5dci, this looks like it will fit up to the crank fine and looks like it uses the standard Renault 215mm, 26 spline clutch disk. This should allow me to run any Clio 172 uprated friction disk. This should also mate up nicely to the JR5 DCI 5 speed gearbox.
Now as I have done previously I will be fitting a 172 sump and re drilling the block to accept the 5 speed box. The JR5 box looks to be a newer/updated version of the old JC5 except it has a cable shift and hydro clutch arrangement. This should mate up to my current Twingo GT setup the box also has the same style driveshafts as the GT so they should slot right into place too meaning no expensive custom driveshafts. The diesel box has also been selected for its ratios as the turbo engine revs low compared to some of the petrol's. It should be similar gear to output as the old ph1 172 089 box bar 5th where it will have some 150+mph legs...
All of this will be ran on a remapped GT ECU.
Obviously all of this could fall apart if my internet research has been poor but with Renault being Renault most parts are semi interchangeable.

Hopefully once the flywheel and box are here I can drop it in the hole for a test fit and if all is good ill move along with it all. Give me a few months to work through it but it should all be good.

Now I'm not going for mad power in this as I want to keep everything in one piece and keep the costs screwed down, I think id like 230 to 250bhp at the end of it, which should shift the car along nicely and keep it reliable. I've ran the old JC5 boxes at 230+ftlb and 280bhp previously and quite a few of the turbo 172/182 people have ran more. That said plenty of Renault boxes s**t a frisbee at stock power levels lol

Wish me luck.

 

[Adey.]

Also can a mod give the title a name change please "Adeys F4RT Twingo GT"

 

[Krarl]

My penis is frothing🤤

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

This with 230+bhp is going to be bonkers.

 

[Adey.]

This with 230+bhp is going to be bonkers.

Should be a good laugh, being essentially a clio 172 but 4 inches shorter it should take it OK. Brakes will need some looking at though

 

[VenomUK]

I've had loads of time off since March being CEV, so trying to be productive and keep the mind fresh. Unfortunately funding things whilst off is more difficult 😕

If you made a YouTube channel of your progress I’m sure you could make a patron or onlyfans thing to fund the build 😂

 

[Adey.]

defo game for setting up an only fans, im sure some of the freaks in here would love it

I do have a youtube channel though, will bosh videos up on there as I progress, nowt interesting as I hate the sound of my own voice and I'm sure most people don't want hear me waffle on in some weird half west country half forest accent

 

[Twingo 1??]

Should be a good laugh, being essentially a clio 172 but 4 inches shorter it should take it OK. Brakes will need some looking at though

133's use laguna calipers and 172 discs. Could you get the calipers from the car you got the engine from? There is a OK selection of pads for calipers.

 

[Adey.]

133's use laguna calipers and 172 discs. Could you get the calipers from the car you got the engine from? There is a OK selection of pads for calipers.

Already on 280mm 172 disks with Peugeot calipers though I will probably end up getting brackets made for brembo calipers down the line.

 

[VenomUK]

defo game for setting up an only fans, im sure some of the freaks in here would love it

I do have a youtube channel though, will bosh videos up on there as I progress, nowt interesting as I hate the sound of my own voice and I'm sure most people don't want hear me waffle on in some weird half west country half forest accent

Nothing wrong with our gloucester accent... 🤣

 

[Adey.]

Nothing wrong with our gloucester accent... 🤣

I have no problem with it until I hear my own voice played back

 

[VenomUK]

Already on 280mm 172 disks with Peugeot calipers though I will probably end up getting brackets made for brembo calipers down the line.

@KitsonRis was it yourself or Toby I was talking to that made custom brackets local to us?

 

[VenomUK]

To be fair I hear my voice and think to myself “how TF do I have friends?” I feel sorry for those who listen to me all day at work 😂

 

[Adey.]

@KitsonRis was it yourself or Toby I was talking to that made custom brackets local to us?

freaky parts are pretty local?

 

[Adey.]

To be fair I hear my voice and think to myself “how TF do I have friends?” I feel sorry for those who listen to me all day at work 😂

you have friends..... jammy

 

[VenomUK]

They don’t know it.. I just sit in the bush outside the house looking through the window Wondering what we are all talking about.

 

[KitsonRis]

That would have been Toby and yeah his vRS ones are from Freaky Parts.

 

[Adey.]

That would have been Toby and yeah his vRS ones are from Freaky Parts.

ahh i know risby, small world

 

[KitsonRis]

ahh i know risby, small world

Is small. I’m forced to know him being my brother. Although he is good to me and helps me out on my cars.

 

[JohnRogers]

Good choice on the gearbox this is what i will be using and depending on how high your rev limiter is they can exceed over 170+mph the ratios here are what it can do per gear on a rev limiter of 7200rpm:

1st - 36.09mph
2nd - 65.68mph
3rd - 101.78mph
4th 138.49 mph
5th - 177.89mph

if you make enough power to pull the 170mph that would be incredible!

also as a side note have you looked into and diffs for the 1.5dci box i havent got round to doing it yet?

 

[Adey.]

whats the code of that box? think I had different calculations but then I did work it on a 6200 rpm limit, 15s and possibly a different code on the box. I'll have to dig it back out and check now.

not looked into diffs and stuff, way out of my budget currently.

 

[Adey.]

these are the 2 ive been wanting JR5108 and JR5110. will see for sure when the gearbox actually turns up

 

[JohnRogers]

I think mine was was using the JR5131 which is off the scenic supposedly the longer ish final drive but i didnt delve too much into it, however your limiter is the limiting factor for you the K4M should rev to about 7600 but we will see where the peak power is!

either way over a standard box the ratios are superb.

 

[Adey.]

Today I received a message to say the gearbox has been dispatched so I removed the 225 sump and temp fitted a 172 sump. Fitted up perfectly as expected and will align the bottom half of the JR5 gearbox. That along with the flywheel and clutch will help me spot through to the block for the upper gearbox fixings The sump I have has a little crack in it that will need a weld up at some point. Anyway a tiny bit of progress whilst I wait for the bulk of the parts which will allow me to check the fitment of the whole lot into the chassis.

 

[Adey.]

Even though the oil left in there was quite black I cant find anything metallic in there so fingers crossed its a good un 👍

 

[Adey.]

Looking for some opinions on the aux belt run, I'm not using the ac or the pas that was originally fitted to the engine, the car has epas anyway. Now I'm going to just cut off any excess bracket material that's not needed. Id like to keep the auto tensioner to keep the belt some what tight but should I ditch the lower idler and run straight through on the underside?



I think id be going with this, belt run 1 as this should keep tension on the belt and the alt itself cant be adjusted to add tension.



Over this one?

 

[Krarl]

Sack the bottom roller off and use the existing auto tensioner

 

[Adey.]

Gearbox has arrived and looks to be a JR5119 box which gives the following speeds at the top of each gear.


though looking dirty it seems to select gears nicely and rotates smoothly. Just need the flywheel and clutch to turn up and I can mate it all together and see if it fits in the car 👍🏻

The GT driveshafts fit in nicely and the original GT gearbox mount bolts to the box itself so fingers crossed its going to be a drop in affair

 

[Adey.]

172 engine mount also fits the chassis as expected. Renault have a few choices of slave cylinder, the differences seem to be the hose connections between the master and slave. After a measure up, the size and throw all seem to be the same so I have fitted the Twingo GT slave to the JR5 box to keep the same hose connection as already fitted to the car

 

[JohnRogers]

how come you have went with the GT drive shafts will they be able to take the power or is it just for a mock up good progress tho, loving it