Air-con removal

[colm_gti]

Have been considering removing my air-con over the last week or so and looking for info as to what is needed.

Is it as simple as taking the compressor out and fitting a shorter aux belt? Or would i really need the cup alternator and bracket and cup PAS pipe? If so, why is that?

 

[colm_gti]

anyone?

 

[colm_gti]

Is the alternator itself different on the 172 cup? Or would I be able to just get the cup bracket and use my existing alternator?

 

[.Ben.]

Have a look at a Cup and see if anything shouts at you as being different?

Or speak to the likes of K-Tec or Rerntech to see if they can help?

 

[Craig]

burp removed his iirc out of his 172 could ask him?

 

[colm_gti]

burp removed his iirc out of his 172 could ask him?

yeah but as far as i know he went about it some mad way, replacing the brackets with volvo ones, and changing the alternator aswel

 

[jmsonline]

speak to gdi,they did expalin it to me but ive forgotten all the details, not a cheap job tbh unless doing it yourself

 

[Bazzon]

Alternator is different, all the brackets are different the belt is different ofc.

Its quite a large task and quiet costly if you have to buy the parts.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=364943

 

[Jay Payne]

Some options



1, Full 172 cup setup (Only the pas pump is the same) *expensive
2, Ditch the lot and fit the Setup from a Volvo 440 F3P *bargain (Will need a custom Pas pipe)
3, Heard a Laguna can be a good donor and give a similar layout to a 172Cup but not tried it or looked into it. *different could work well

My current setup uses a Saxo Pas pump and Volvo Alternator with Laguna bracket

 

[colm_gti]

With the volvo setup, is it pretty much a bolt on job or will parts need to be modified in any way? What length belt will i need, the one from a 172 cup fit ok?

Is there any laguna in particular that will provide a similar setup to the cup? Mk1 or Mk2 model? Again is it pretty much a bolt on job or will parts need to be modified in any way? And what belt would you use?

Sorry to pick at your brains Burp

 

[colm_gti]

just done a quick search there, the f3p came in r19's and mk1 clios with the f3r in the 440, laguna and megane. I assume any of these without air con will be similar?

 

[Jay Payne]

yea the f3p was fited to loads of differentcars but they all have diferent setups. Take a wander around your local scrap yard and have a look. The volvo one was the simplest one I found and volted straight on and used the same size belt as the volvo

 

[colm_gti]

yea the f3p was fited to loads of differentcars but they all have diferent setups. Take a wander around your local scrap yard and have a look. The volvo one was the simplest one I found and volted straight on and used the same size belt as the volvo

so the volvo 440 with the 2.0 8v f3p engine is the one to look for?

and you used the standard PAS pump and water pump, just with a modified PAS pipe?

 

[Jay Payne]

water pump stays, pas pump and alternator are from the volvo. custom pas lines need to be made.

iirc the one you need it all from is a 1.7 f3p volvo.


Why are you thinking of doing this anyway?

 

[colm_gti]

Just had a quick flick through your project thread there Burp, you say you've used a mount from a laguna and an adjuster from a volvo 440..

What laguna was it from? the 2.0 8v? And then the adjuster from the 2.0 8v 440? Which alternator did you then use?

 

[colm_gti]

water pump stays, pas pump and alternator are from the volvo. custom pas lines need to be made.

iirc the one you need it all from is a 1.7 f3p volvo.


Why are you thinking of doing this anyway?

cool, so the top bracket, adjustor, alternator and pas pump all come from the 1.7 volvo? and use the aux belt from the same car? along with the custom pas lines?

the modifying bug has bitten me mate, have started doing bits to the clio getting it ready for summer trackdays and i want to remove my aircon while i'm changine my cam and aux belt. will see very little difference at the start, but will add up as i go along, and what better time to do it, right

 

[Jay Payne]

cool, so the top bracket, Laguna f3p top bracket is neater but volvo will fit

adjustor, alternator and pas pump all come from the 1.7 volvo? Yes
and use the aux belt from the same car? YES
along with the custom pas lines? Yes you need to find a pipe maker near you

Its quite a bit of work tbh but i did mine for less than the cost of a new aux belt kit so it was a no brainer for me. Especially as the a/c never worked due to a leak.

 

[colm_gti]

fantastic, cheers man, appreciate the help.

how did you get the exact pipe made up? what did you use as a template?

 

[colm_gti]

also, the laguna f3p engine...thats the 1.8 8v?
and the volvo f3p engine...thats the 1.7 8v?

 

[Jay Payne]

fantastic, cheers man, appreciate the help.

how did you get the exact pipe made up? what did you use as a template?

yep, bent the old clio one to the shape needed and the guy remade it with the original ends to the new shape. He couldnt make the unions, I had the pipe off the volvo too so it was just a case of joining them together. Did the same thing with my current Saxo one

also, the laguna f3p engine...thats the 1.8 8v?
and the volvo f3p engine...thats the 1.7 8v?

I think so

 

[colm_gti]

yep, bent the old clio one to the shape needed and the guy remade it with the original ends to the new shape. He couldnt make the unions, I had the pipe off the volvo too so it was just a case of joining them together. Did the same thing with my current Saxo one


I think so

brilliant!

cheers burp, you're a legend!!

 

[Nick r26r]

so if i am going to do this do i need to get the top bracket, adjustor, alternator and pas pump from a volvo 440 1.7 or 2.0 ??? and modify the pas pipe ???

 

[Jay Payne]

440 1.7 f series engine

 

[Luke69]

Would this be the same for a 2004 182 ???

 

[marinemackay2003]

or another option is to have a look a the pure motorsport de-air con kit

Type it in to the search

I think Jms now stock it

 

[Luke69]

or another option is to have a look a the pure motorsport de-air con kit

Type it in to the search

I think Jms now stock it

Found it last night.- http://www.pure-motorsport.co.uk/details.php?itemid=133

 

[chrispy.clio]

Would this be the same for a 2004 182 ???

Yes its the same for the 182's i have done/am doing it to my 182

or another option is to have a look a the pure motorsport de-air con kit

Type it in to the search

I think Jms now stock it

Yes its a great bit of kit but still £300 and I have done it for £70-£80 all in with volvo parts

 

[Jay Payne]

For everyones info:

The 172 Cup alternator will fit the volvo brackets (our current setup n the race car)
and a MK1 Laguna Alternator will also fit volvo brackets but requires a very simple extra wire added to it

 

[scullyg40]

Picking up an old thread, but better than to start a new one on an old subject I suppose. Do any of you think this bracket will fit with this alternator? The add says it is for a Volvo 460/440/480. The bolt pattern seems to look the same.

 

[scullyg40]

Anyone?

 

[bloke]

Think that's the one that fits.

 

[scullyg40]

I received another picture from the seller

 

[scullyg40]