Bad Tuning & work shop work

[tommy g]

Why does the thread need locking? Kyle has evidence not just presumptions.

 

[Kyle 86]

Congratulations Kyle, you now have a great Cup in great shape thanks to Mike's top drawer mapping. Enjoy it!

(Time to lock thread before the inevitable?)

Its so much better now tim & now I can finally drive it without worrying about it blowing up

Hows you anyway

 

[Kyle 86]

What would you like people to know? There's no info on who fucked up and who sorted it.

I dident want to name them but its pretty obvious lol

 

[Martin.]

It's very obvious who did the work even without saying.

Who are known suppliers of Cat Cams.

Who offer 438 packages.

Who are extremely well known for absolute s**t/dangerous maps.

Voila.

 

[Kyle 86]

It's very obvious who did the work even without saying.

Who are known suppliers of Cat Cams.

Who offer 438 packages.

Who are extremely well known for absolute s**t/dangerous maps.

Voila.

Spot on there

 

[Martin.]

Even though I knew already lol!

You got your car back now?

All running sweet?

 

[Tim.]

Why does the thread need locking? Kyle has evidence not just presumptions.

There have been multiple threads like this in the not too distant past, all ended the same way because of how the discussion went, not because of the content of the original post.

I'm good thanks Kyle, glad it's all sorted for you, you made a very good decision taking it to Mike.

 

[Cub.]

My engine is finally coming out this month, so we'll see what surprises it unveils

 

[Kyle 86]

Even though I knew already lol!

You got your car back now?

All running sweet?

Yeah got her back & its running great now bud

 

[Kyle 86]

There have been multiple threads like this in the not too distant past, all ended the same way because of how the discussion went, not because of the content of the original post.

I'm good thanks Kyle, glad it's all sorted for you, you made a very good decision taking it to Mike.

Yeah theres been a few threads in the past. Mikes a top guy & I recommend him to anyone

Hows the trophy tim

 

[Kyle 86]

My engine is finally coming out this month, so we'll see what surprises it unveils

Ill look forward to it ollie

 

[Martin.]

Good good

What was the result of the final power run?

 

[The Chubby Pirate]

I don't really know why everyone is dancing round about it regardless of company size - if their service is poor then feedback has to given to avoid them, its as simple as that.

Well done k-tec, slow clap - again.

 

[Maccy]

Worried now, as I have a K-tec map on mine...

 

[Kyle 86]

Good good

What was the result of the final power run?

Im popping down to mike in a couple of weeks. While im there im gonna put her on SRR

 

[Kyle 86]

Worried now, as I have a K-tec map on mine...

Get it checked out
Custom map or generic?
Even my mates generic map on his 200 was bad

 

[Kyle 86]

I don't really know why everyone is dancing round about it regardless of company size - if their service is poor then feedback has to given to avoid them, its as simple as that.

Well done k-tec, slow clap - again.

Absolutly spot on. People should be reminded of there poor work

 

[Maccy]

Get it checked out
Custom map or generic?
Even my mates generic map on his 200 was bad

Think it was the generic off the shelf one that they charge £250 odd for. Looking at RS Tuners now!

 

[The Chubby Pirate]

Absolutly spot on. People should be reminded of there poor work

The thing is Kyle, i'm not for a minute trying to slander them as a company. No one would sit at the table of a restaurant after ordering a medium steak and getting it rare and not say anything - this is no different.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Think it was the generic off the shelf one that they charge £250 odd for. Looking at RS Tuners now!

The only maps Im aware of that are really bad are ones done on modified cars .

The generic maps they use on standard cars Im not personally aware of problems with, so rather than spend on an rs tuner, it might be worth you just going to somewhere like surrey rolling road for an independent check over of the AFRs to see if you have any reason to worry.


Basically it appears to me like the standard car, where maps are readily available on the internet they get it right, where as cars with their own cams (438 are a ktec specific grind) there arent maps available for to copy, and they get it wrong.

 

[MartinR]

Moan about k-tec everyone jumps in. Any other trader does wrong then they get defended and the thread deleted.

I can understand yes they have made a right mess of kyle's car, and its good to put the warning out. But ffs half the folk who rant about them have never even used or experienced the work. So you are just adding to the fire in which this will get locked down and deleted. And the warning dissapears.

My flame suit is fitted and zipped up tight

 

[Kyle 86]

The thing is Kyle, i'm not for a minute trying to slander them as a company. No one would sit at the table of a restaurant after ordering a medium steak and getting it rare and not say anything - this is no different.

If that steak gave you a life threating illness like det is to an engine you would complain.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Not sure if it's the same now, but in recent years K-Tecs base maps have been far too rich.

Anyway, wouldn't trust them to fine tune the air in my tyres.

 

[VikkiB]

The thing is Kyle, i'm not for a minute trying to slander them as a company. No one would sit at the table of a restaurant after ordering a medium steak and getting it rare and not say anything - this is no different.

Except the steaks are higher with it being at the potential cost of an engine.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I don't really know why everyone is dancing round about it regardless of company size - if their service is poor then feedback has to given to avoid them, its as simple as that.

Well done k-tec, slow clap - again.

I think so long as people stick to the facts like Kyle has done it will be fine, its just if it turns into a slagfest where people start throwing unsubstantiated insults around rather than examples likes Kyle/Ellen where there is NO doubt or opinion, just cold hard facts.

On Ellen's car Ktec even came on here and tried to explain that it wasnt their fault that the map they put on was litter and it was because the ECU had adapted since it left them that it went wrong.
They did then do her another map for free when she took Mike with her to make sure it was done properly this time, so fair play to them in that respect (althoguh its a shame she was fobbed off on the phone and told there was nothing wrong on no fewer than 4 occasions until Mike got involved), but they seem to be missing the point a bit though if they think its acceptable to put a map on in the first place that doesnt work for longer than the initial dyno session (they always have logs they claim show the car was fine when it left them, then they say it must have changed since), maybe if they put a map on that didnt have so much timing it goes up the road playing my dingaling and triggering the knock sensor continually then the map would stay how working they dyno'd it like it does for Mike or RS Tuning or even for that with a Fastchip RS Tuner remap, none of which suffer from this issue of apparently changing after the event.
The problem is that they seem to be making changes they simply dont understand the real implications of, its not just the 1*2 engines either, RS Tuning had a facebook update recently with a 200 with a ktec map on it that had an almost identical set of issues!

 

[Budgie]

Moan about k-tec everyone jumps in. Any other trader does wrong then they get defended and the thread deleted.

I can understand yes they have made a right mess of kyle's car, and its good to put the warning out. But ffs half the folk who rant about them have never even used or experienced the work. So you are just adding to the fire in which this will get locked down and deleted. And the warning dissapears.

My flame suit is fitted and zipped up tight

Mistakes are one thing, repeat ****-ups despite being notified of the errors are another.

 

[The Chubby Pirate]

I agree Chip - and in no way should my comments be taken as slander, I said that as a customer myself before (and was stung myself)!

 

[Cupman29]

K-tec are good for mail order, but if you actually give them a car to work on, no garage is worse, with the possible exception of Alan Jeffries.

As in Enginetuner Alan Jeffrey or is this someone else?

 

[Chip-mk1]

As in Enginetuner Alan Jeffrey or is this someone else?

Yes thats who he means but start a seperate thread or PM him to discuss it or this one will end up ruined.

 

[Maccy]

The only maps Im aware of that are really bad are ones done on modified cars .

The generic maps they use on standard cars Im not personally aware of problems with, so rather than spend on an rs tuner, it might be worth you just going to somewhere like surrey rolling road for an independent check over of the AFRs to see if you have any reason to worry.


Basically it appears to me like the standard car, where maps are readily available on the internet they get it right, where as cars with their own cams (438 are a ktec specific grind) there arent maps available for to copy, and they get it wrong.

Cheers mate, I do need to get it RR'd again.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cheers mate, I do need to get it RR'd again.

Just make sure wherever you go they do an AFR overlay on the graph as well as BHP/Torque.

 

[Cupman29]

Yes thats who he means but start a seperate thread or PM him to discuss it or this one will end up ruined.

Fair enough, just the first bad word I've heard spoken about him and have seen some amazing projects he's been involved in.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Fair enough, just the first bad word I've heard spoken about him and have seen some amazing projects he's been involved in.

I had to correct a map they did on a car about half a dozen years ago that was worse than any map Ive ever seen from anyone else before or since, but that was a long time ago and may not be representative of their current standards, it was also to be fair apparently the first time they had ever attempted to map an Autronic ECU, so again very different to when they are doing scoobys on standard ecu's etc which I believe is there most common stuff to be working on and I think they have a good reputation for that.

 

[brisa4984]

I don't really know why everyone is dancing round about it regardless of company size - if their service is poor then feedback has to given to avoid them, its as simple as that.

Well done k-tec, slow clap - again.

Exactly. whats the whole point of having a forum like this if enthusiasts cant fully share their experiences with tuners. More importantly KTec need to know this and see this negative feedback as a simple turning point. simples.

 

[Johnc172]

Have you got the original graph that K-tec gave you after they did the work? What AFR's were logged on that? If different to what you've said, they must have known they were shizen and changed the graph no? Terrible!

 

[Kyle 86]

Have you got the original graph that K-tec gave you after they did the work? What AFR's were logged on that? If different to what you've said, they must have known they were shizen and changed the graph no? Terrible!

I have the graph but none of their graphs have AFR logs. Hmmmmm I wonder why. Aint even got my number plate on the graph

Terrible aye

 

[BoatNonce]

Fair enough, just the first bad word I've heard spoken about him and have seen some amazing projects he's been involved in.

Just for example, a car went in with an upgraded turbo. Came out with the standard turbo fitted, no mention by AJ. Plenty of other cases too, but it's for a different thread.

 

[rctempire]

Understandable your raging with the work. Did they offer to rectify it before you went else where?

Just interested.

 

[Kyle 86]

Understandable your raging with the work. Did they offer to rectify it before you went else where?

Just interested.

After hearing bad stories I got it checked out & bosh it was really bad

 

[rctempire]

After hearing bad stories I got it checked out & bosh it was really bad

Oh ok. I would still speak to company in question and ask their position.