shiftspark
ClioSport Club Member
R53 GR86
:nono: too much info :rofl:
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Burpspeed Version 2: Race Car Build
- Thread starter Jay Payne
- Start date
Rob
ClioSport Moderator
What the hell did I miss?
182cup & 172 racecar
I think Dan had is long lens on.
Evo 5 RS
German Camera lady paints her trousers on in the morning apparently
182cup & 172 racecar
No wonder you all disappeared for ages.
1.2 shell, Stock internals, Jenveys etc
Look closely and its the biggest shed you have ever seen, (Tom JMS are you listening?)
but its so quick. he saw we bought a diff and went and got one too. Finished fitting it Saturday night and then span it first lap out of the pits
We had them beat at Mallory until the alternator gave up
Shed indeed, as I said before "everything works - just" - it's taken us 4 years of abuse to get it into the condition you see it today!
We will see (and probably beat) you again at Donnington! Please PM me I've lost your number.
shiftspark
ClioSport Club Member
R53 GR86
^ I'll second that :approve:
182cup & 172 racecar
This is Burps post so I'm dipping out now. T&J are doing a great job in getting up there and bringing you all along with them. It's possible to win these races if you spend enough on your Clio, The winning drivers in Hondas are spending 30K plus on getting theirs to the front of the grid, we have spent a third of this on our Clio. It comes down to spending the money on the biggest gains first, IMHO Suspension, Tyres, Weight, Shell, TB+ECU, Diff, Engine, Gearbox - keep it function over form and if you have money spare make it pretty!. Our biggest advantage over the Burp car is weight (we are only 800 Kg) and shell stiffness, we are running the same engine, suspension and tyres.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
800kgs! How? I need that weight loss in my life! Good going lads looks really good in the pics
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
thats a bit defeatest? lol
Evo 5 RS
You heard the man, it's made of paper lol
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
I will come down and see you guys at Donnington, my local circuit... only 20minutes away
i may be up for coming up
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Would be nice to see a thread from mitsiman on here. Imho the black clio is epic, a right shed, but quick, which at the end of the day is all that matters when racing, esp at grass roots level.
To be honest, it made me want to go home, cover the Trophy in filler & wang it a few times with a hammer.
To be honest, it made me want to go home, cover the Trophy in filler & wang it a few times with a hammer.
Saab 93 Aero Wagon
I have to say that that little black Clio is my personal favourite (no offence T&J, i love you guys too
) Its such an honest, no frills, well hooked up race car.
172 Race Car
Not really. We were no where near them at brands. if we get it right we should be up with them again. Just realistic
Seems to be a lot of love for the Collins way of racing. We have been trying to stress this point for ages but now everyone can see for themselves. Speed is the most important thing
172 Race Car
RACE REPORT
8th May 2011 - Brands Hatch
A wet journey on the way down to Kent this morning but the forecast was for a dry, sunny day. Tony and Helen had arrived before us and put up the gazebo just before it began to rain very hard. A small river was running through our pit area but we could see blue sky approaching.
We didn't have to wait long until it stopped and started to dry up very quickly, the weather reports were correct for once, and there was no more rain for the rest of the day. We had a few little jobs to do on the car as well as the usual prep. The de-mister switch had fallen apart during the winter and we had not got around to changing it. A quick little job. We added some more stickers to the car too. Ady from N2Grafix did a fantastic job for us again, the car looked great.
Qualifying was at 12:00, the track was now bone dry and the sky's clear. The plan was to run Tony for a few warm up laps, bring him in for a tyre pressure check and then he would do a few hot laps before handing over to me. I'd not done any dry running in the car since October. He came in after 3 laps and the tyre pressures were ok. He reported the car was quite tail happy and we adjusted the dampers slightly when I went out. My first thoughts were that the gearbox felt brilliant and traction was a massive improvement. I slowly upped my pace to try and get a feel for the car. It was quite loose at the rear, as Tony had said and with about 5 minutes of qualifying left I pitted for a tyre pressure check. Some adjustments made and I set off again. I struggled to get used to putting the power down earlier on the exits but ended up with a 56.7 second lap, good enough for 10th on the grid.
We were quite happy with that as before the meeting we had said we were aiming for 56's. We know the car can go quicker with more setup work, it doesn't work as well here as it did at Mallory 2 weeks ago, a familiar story for us.
So we worked through the prep list and made another change to the dampers. The race start time was moved forward by 15 minutes and just before we had to go to the assembly area we did a few practice pitstops. Tony was starting the race and lined up on the outside of the grid. He got a decent start but was on the outside for the first corner and lost a place to Russell in the MG. By the end of the lap, one of the Integras had slipped by into clearways and a lap later another got by, leaving him in 13th. He was struggling with the rear of the car as the tyres warmed up and fell back from the two Hondas. The Fiesta in 14th was very quick around Druids and Clark but Tony had more straight-line speed so stayed ahead. Around 3 laps later he started to pull away from the Fiesta and make in roads into the Hondas. He times improved by around a second per lap and he was catching P12 very quickly. He got a good run out of clearways and slipped by into Paddock. The pit window had opened and some of the front runners had pitted, Tony continued to push on and passed the other Integra and was getting happier with the car. We ran as high as 4th place during the pitstop phase and Tony came in at the 23 minute mark, the window having been altered for this season and the pit lane now closes at 25 minutes.
I joined the track and built up my pace quite slowly. The car was still very nervous and made Paddock Hill bend a bit of a scary ride. About 4 laps into my stint I exited Paddock and saw an oil flag being waved at Druids. One of the MG's had let go and spread oil all around the hairpin and halfway down the hill. I backed right off and could see the oil slick in the braking zone so dived to the inside. There was no way to avoid the oil at the apex though and slid wide. I took the next corner steady not knowing how much grip I had but it wasn't too bad. The two race leaders came up to lap me and I let them by on the pit straight but could keep up with them easily at this stage. We were all struggling on the oil at Druids and it took a few laps to clean up at the apex and exit. No one was using the left on entry so it never cleaned up. I managed to hang on to the Civic and Integra as they battled for the lead, but had Tom in the class B 205 right on my bumper. The guy drives sideways everywhere and was very quick exiting Druids. He caught me out on the exit of Graham Hill bend as I ran a little wide onto he rumble strip. I gave him a little rub as he went by and stayed with him till the end of the race. I never felt like I could get back past as he was quick in all the right places. He was quite slow through paddock as his car was very loose at the rear and I had to brake much more than I wanted. But with the oil on the entry to Druids it was never really on.
We finished 10th overall and 8th in class, not bad considering the strong field. We were quite pleased but know we still have work to do on setup. We'd love a little understeer back that we started last year with. It was a fun race though, both me and Tony had great on track battles. I gained a lot of confidence running close to other cars and the car was working well mechanically so we can just concentrate on setup going forward.
Donington next, not been there before so should be interesting.
Great to be racing again!
8th May 2011 - Brands Hatch
A wet journey on the way down to Kent this morning but the forecast was for a dry, sunny day. Tony and Helen had arrived before us and put up the gazebo just before it began to rain very hard. A small river was running through our pit area but we could see blue sky approaching.
We didn't have to wait long until it stopped and started to dry up very quickly, the weather reports were correct for once, and there was no more rain for the rest of the day. We had a few little jobs to do on the car as well as the usual prep. The de-mister switch had fallen apart during the winter and we had not got around to changing it. A quick little job. We added some more stickers to the car too. Ady from N2Grafix did a fantastic job for us again, the car looked great.
Qualifying was at 12:00, the track was now bone dry and the sky's clear. The plan was to run Tony for a few warm up laps, bring him in for a tyre pressure check and then he would do a few hot laps before handing over to me. I'd not done any dry running in the car since October. He came in after 3 laps and the tyre pressures were ok. He reported the car was quite tail happy and we adjusted the dampers slightly when I went out. My first thoughts were that the gearbox felt brilliant and traction was a massive improvement. I slowly upped my pace to try and get a feel for the car. It was quite loose at the rear, as Tony had said and with about 5 minutes of qualifying left I pitted for a tyre pressure check. Some adjustments made and I set off again. I struggled to get used to putting the power down earlier on the exits but ended up with a 56.7 second lap, good enough for 10th on the grid.
We were quite happy with that as before the meeting we had said we were aiming for 56's. We know the car can go quicker with more setup work, it doesn't work as well here as it did at Mallory 2 weeks ago, a familiar story for us.
So we worked through the prep list and made another change to the dampers. The race start time was moved forward by 15 minutes and just before we had to go to the assembly area we did a few practice pitstops. Tony was starting the race and lined up on the outside of the grid. He got a decent start but was on the outside for the first corner and lost a place to Russell in the MG. By the end of the lap, one of the Integras had slipped by into clearways and a lap later another got by, leaving him in 13th. He was struggling with the rear of the car as the tyres warmed up and fell back from the two Hondas. The Fiesta in 14th was very quick around Druids and Clark but Tony had more straight-line speed so stayed ahead. Around 3 laps later he started to pull away from the Fiesta and make in roads into the Hondas. He times improved by around a second per lap and he was catching P12 very quickly. He got a good run out of clearways and slipped by into Paddock. The pit window had opened and some of the front runners had pitted, Tony continued to push on and passed the other Integra and was getting happier with the car. We ran as high as 4th place during the pitstop phase and Tony came in at the 23 minute mark, the window having been altered for this season and the pit lane now closes at 25 minutes.
I joined the track and built up my pace quite slowly. The car was still very nervous and made Paddock Hill bend a bit of a scary ride. About 4 laps into my stint I exited Paddock and saw an oil flag being waved at Druids. One of the MG's had let go and spread oil all around the hairpin and halfway down the hill. I backed right off and could see the oil slick in the braking zone so dived to the inside. There was no way to avoid the oil at the apex though and slid wide. I took the next corner steady not knowing how much grip I had but it wasn't too bad. The two race leaders came up to lap me and I let them by on the pit straight but could keep up with them easily at this stage. We were all struggling on the oil at Druids and it took a few laps to clean up at the apex and exit. No one was using the left on entry so it never cleaned up. I managed to hang on to the Civic and Integra as they battled for the lead, but had Tom in the class B 205 right on my bumper. The guy drives sideways everywhere and was very quick exiting Druids. He caught me out on the exit of Graham Hill bend as I ran a little wide onto he rumble strip. I gave him a little rub as he went by and stayed with him till the end of the race. I never felt like I could get back past as he was quick in all the right places. He was quite slow through paddock as his car was very loose at the rear and I had to brake much more than I wanted. But with the oil on the entry to Druids it was never really on.
We finished 10th overall and 8th in class, not bad considering the strong field. We were quite pleased but know we still have work to do on setup. We'd love a little understeer back that we started last year with. It was a fun race though, both me and Tony had great on track battles. I gained a lot of confidence running close to other cars and the car was working well mechanically so we can just concentrate on setup going forward.
Donington next, not been there before so should be interesting.
Great to be racing again!
Evo 5 RS
Great day out is Brands. Was an ace race to watch with some really crafty driving from the pugs especially. Good luck @ Donny
172 Race Car
Ian and Ashley Collins #40
Stock internals, Jenveys, Quaife diff, Fibreglass everything.
Very well sorted car, has loads of geometry tricks and tweeks. Increased castor, corrected roll centre etc
182cup & 172 racecar
I only like Ian when he's behind me,like at Mallory.
TrackCar & F30 330d
Great write up. Glad the season has started With no stupid alternator issues.
Look forward the next race!
Look forward the next race!
BMW Z4
Ian and Ashley Collins #40
Stock internals, Jenveys, Quaife diff, Fibreglass everything.
Very well sorted car, has loads of geometry tricks and tweeks. Increased castor, corrected roll centre etc
Excellent something else for me to aim at then.
R26
Thanks
I just wish I could get on the other side of the fence
I'll ask at Donny if public liability insurance will get me access, or if I need accreditation as well.
I just wish I could get on the other side of the fence
I'll ask at Donny if public liability insurance will get me access, or if I need accreditation as well.
At Donnington you can pretty much walk around the whole circuit, plenty of good places for photos as most sections don't have high fences in the way etc.
Golf GTD Mk7
Thanks
I just wish I could get on the other side of the fence
I'll ask at Donny if public liability insurance will get me access, or if I need accreditation as well.
Do your marshall training and sneek in
Craner curve FTW
182cup & 172 racecar
Mr Dan photo Freeman,our lead has turned up,you Tulip.
182 trackday racer
Considering investing in a set of AST Sportline 1 or 2 coilovers. And I do have a few questions.
Is the Sportline 2 setup forth the extra cost over Sportline 1 ?
What spring ratios do you run? See in some of the first posts 460 /450 (F/R) But that sounds very soft, The racing setup Kam Racing provide is 685/627
Thanks
Is the Sportline 2 setup forth the extra cost over Sportline 1 ?
What spring ratios do you run? See in some of the first posts 460 /450 (F/R) But that sounds very soft, The racing setup Kam Racing provide is 685/627
Thanks
172 Race Car
Your best off asking Curtis direct. Im sure it depends on your application. if we had the money we wwould go for Sportline 2 but we already had athe sportline 1 set when we built the car so just had them rebuilt to a 'Race' spec and use them.
Current spring rates are 100F/80R newtons. But changing all the time as we develop the car.
Dan Freeman has 80newtons all round (460lbs) on his road going track car. The car is epic on track and not too bad on the roads. I wouldnt want any stiffer tho if it was used on the road.
Springs and damper settings are a very personable thing. Its entirely down to your style and how you like the car to behave, luckily me and Tony are identical in our style and always have the same feedback about the car balance.
HTH
Current spring rates are 100F/80R newtons. But changing all the time as we develop the car.
Dan Freeman has 80newtons all round (460lbs) on his road going track car. The car is epic on track and not too bad on the roads. I wouldnt want any stiffer tho if it was used on the road.
Springs and damper settings are a very personable thing. Its entirely down to your style and how you like the car to behave, luckily me and Tony are identical in our style and always have the same feedback about the car balance.
HTH
182 trackday racer
Ok, thanks.
How much does you car weigh on front and rear axle? KAM's race kit is 120F/100R so thats a fair amount harder. I run 100/100 now and I think its to soft in front, but Im almost certain thats due to the lack of compression. (unadjustable b14's with 30% harder springs)
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