Cheapest Fuel for an OLD diesel.

[Rob.]

Got an oil diesel Clio with a Bosch fuel pump here that is ONLY used off road so road-tax-duty's on the fuel doesn't have to be paid. So I'm open to a wide range of fuels. Cheapest I can find are theses.

1 Micro Filtered WVO at 35p a litre for 1000ltrs. +£35 for container
Found Bio-diesel at 80P a litre

There must be some where to get home heating oil for cheaper. Or even red diesel.


Any one any oils + suppliers of cheap fuels

cheers.

 

[Peperami]

Where do you drive your clio 'only off road' that will require 1000 ltrs of fuel?

 

[iimushroomzii]

Go round the chips shops for all the old cooking oil Thats what my dad does.

 

[Rob.]

Where do you drive your clio 'only off road' that will require 1000 ltrs of fuel?

Will take around 2 years to use it all. But in long run is cheaper.
Drive it around 10 miles a day around the yard, But its pretty much left on around 7 hours a day. 7 days a week.

Go round the chips shops for all the old cooking oil Thats what my dad does.

I use to do this but, I work to much to do that and I can't be bothered to filter it down and de-water and so on

 

[Evil Ally]

Well the arse has fallen out of the biodiesel industry since the price of fossil diesel has tumbled. A lot of commercial WVO collectors are going out of business, so I would think you have leverage on anyone trying to sell it. To be honest though 35ppl is not a bad price.

I tried some waste engine oil once, it sort of worked but I don't think the car liked it. Maybe the Clio will like it better. This is free at most garages, but you would have to filter it. The good thing is that most garages have large quantities sitting around, so you might be able to get 1000L in one go.

A scrappie was also telling me he uses waste transformer oil for his yard vehicles and it works great.

 

[Rob.]

Well the arse has fallen out of the biodiesel industry since the price of fossil diesel has tumbled. A lot of commercial WVO collectors are going out of business, so I would think you have leverage on anyone trying to sell it. To be honest though 35ppl is not a bad price.

I tried some waste engine oil once, it sort of worked but I don't think the car liked it. Maybe the Clio will like it better. This is free at most garages, but you would have to filter it. The good thing is that most garages have large quantities sitting around, so you might be able to get 1000L in one go.

A scrappie was also telling me he uses waste transformer oil for his yard vehicles and it works great.

too right about the Bio-Diesel industry i just found another supplier for 25p a litre but that's not filtered.
Problem with the engine oil is a lot of the times the oil gets changed will be if the head gasket has gone and contaminated the oil so it will need lots of filtering and de-watering.

 

[stan*]

red diesel is about the cheapest you'll get, at the pump its at about 60p/l at the moment. in bulk its a few pence less.

depends where you live I guess, when you live in rural areas you find that petrol stations will often sell it

 

[Rob.]

red diesel is about the cheapest you'll get, at the pump its at about 60p/l at the moment. in bulk its a few pence less.

depends where you live I guess, when you live in rural areas you find that petrol stations will often sell it

Now I know a lot more about diesel engines and how many different variations of fuel they can run on. I'll have to see red diesel get under 50p before i buy it.

 

[stan*]

well it probably will over the next few weeks. Its went from 72 to 60p in the last 2months.

6 months ago it was 47p by me.

I suggested red for convenience. By the time youve collected waste cooking oil etc, filtered it, processed to removed glycerine to make it properly usable as a fuel (as opposed to blending it), i think its easier to buy red!

I also find the vehicles return better mpg and run better on red, than they do on derv (on my private land). likely less wter content and contaminants.

 

[Evil Ally]

I suggested red for convenience. By the time youve collected waste cooking oil etc, filtered it, processed to removed glycerine to make it properly usable as a fuel (as opposed to blending it), i think its easier to buy red!

He does not have to process it into biodiesel in this instance, he can run on straight filtered oil, possibly mixed with a small percentage of diesel or petrol in the colder weather. Although if red did reach 47ppl, it would be attractive when you consider you drop about 15% MPG when running on veg, so you have to factor that into the price paid for WVO.

 

[Evil Ally]

too right about the Bio-Diesel industry i just found another supplier for 25p a litre but that's not filtered.
Problem with the engine oil is a lot of the times the oil gets changed will be if the head gasket has gone and contaminated the oil so it will need lots of filtering and de-watering.

You would have to dewater WVO anyway (or you should be ), and I found engine oil easier to filter than WVO due to it having no fat content. Find a place that keeps their engine oil in a large tank. It will have been collected over a very long time so should be very well settled. You could take some oil from the top of the tank and it should be very clean. Not saying it will work, my eninge didn't like it, but it seems popular in the states so it must work in some engines.

 

[stan*]

running on pure pure wvo requires heating to maintain a usable viscosity. That aside, even on older engines this can cause issues with injector pintles, and high pressure pumps due to the oil being heated (whereas fuel usually aids cooling of the pump).
including the drop in economy you inherently with wvo, the inital cost of making it usable, the cost of it, and the cost of collecting it, the cheapest option is to just by red.

Legalities aside of course lol hence I only used it on my non road vehicles.

 

[Evil Ally]

running on pure pure wvo requires heating to maintain a usable viscosity. That aside, even on older engines this can cause issues with injector pintles, and high pressure pumps due to the oil being heated (whereas fuel usually aids cooling of the pump).
including the drop in economy you inherently with wvo, the inital cost of making it usable, the cost of it, and the cost of collecting it, the cheapest option is to just by red.

Legalities aside of course lol hence I only used it on my non road vehicles.

I can't comment on the Clio engine, but engines such as the XUD have long proven track records of running unmodified on high concentrations of veg oil. I personally have added a coolant based heat exchanger to mine purely because it's a cheap and easy modification. The way Rob drives his cars round the yard anyway, I highly doubt they last long, even running on derv :rasp:

 

[Evil Ally]

What kind of Clio do you have Rob? When I was looking at the Mk2 PH1 1.9D, they all seemed to have Lucas?

 

[Rob.]

d

 

[Rob.]

delete

 

[Rob.]

I can't comment on the Clio engine, but engines such as the XUD have long proven track records of running unmodified on high concentrations of veg oil. I personally have added a coolant based heat exchanger to mine purely because it's a cheap and easy modification. The way Rob drives his cars round the yard anyway, I highly doubt they last long, even running on derv :rasp:

That sliver car is running on 100% veggie oil that is not even been filtered lol I even remember seeing a chip go into the tank lol. That model came with a heated filter standard but its still going

Benefits of having lots of the same cars. Any thing that gets broken can be fixed bodged or replaced

I can get de-watered and 1 micron filtered WVO for 35p a litre. on the clio I've got a heated filter exchange to keep the viscosity of the WVO down to pass the pump easier.
Any other problems that come up from using thicker fuels such as WVO, engine oil are not going be to hard to fix. Main thing being pump still only a 30min job.

What kind of Clio do you have Rob? When I was looking at the Mk2 PH1 1.9D, they all seemed to have Lucas?

Mk1 Clio van to move stuff around the yard. and to store stuff in. It didn't come with a Bosch pump i had to get one

running on pure pure wvo requires heating to maintain a usable viscosity. That aside, even on older engines this can cause issues with injector pintles, and high pressure pumps due to the oil being heated (whereas fuel usually aids cooling of the pump).
including the drop in economy you inherently with wvo, the inital cost of making it usable, the cost of it, and the cost of collecting it, the cheapest option is to just by red.

Legalities aside of course lol hence I only used it on my non road vehicles.

There is 'down' sides to buying red. If I had a tank here of red and a tank of WVO.
With WVO I can use 2500ltrs in my road going cars a year. but with red I can't use any on the road.

You would have to dewater WVO anyway (or you should be ), and I found engine oil easier to filter than WVO due to it having no fat content. Find a place that keeps their engine oil in a large tank. It will have been collected over a very long time so should be very well settled. You could take some oil from the top of the tank and it should be very clean. Not saying it will work, my eninge didn't like it, but it seems popular in the states so it must work in some engines.

What engine did you try running on engine oil ?

It is best to de-water the WVO if the pistons tried to compress water the con-rods would not like it
But a tiny bit isn't going do any harm ( in my pieces of s**t any way)

 

[Fred@BTM]

i filter WVO through a J cloth and whack it straight in with a 50/50 mix of diesel, been fine for 10K

i've got the lucas pump on my 1.9D

 

[Evil Ally]

What engine did you try running on engine oil ?

It is best to de-water the WVO if the pistons tried to compress water the con-rods would not like it
But a tiny bit isn't going do any harm ( in my pieces of s**t any way)

I have a pug 405 1.9 turbo, bosch pump. It was very hard to start on engine oil, and it hunted a lot. I did seem to have a bit more torque though.

Traces of water might cause internal corrosion over time, but I don't think that's something you will lose sleep over!

 

[Rob.]

I have a pug 405 1.9 turbo, bosch pump. It was very hard to start on engine oil, and it hunted a lot. I did seem to have a bit more torque though.

Traces of water might cause internal corrosion over time, but I don't think that's something you will lose sleep over!

Does the pug have a heater exchange ?
I'm not sleep tonight

 

[lee131]

so if i chuck my used engine oil (filtered first) in with a full tank will the van run fine? just saves wasting what could be good fuel,

 

[Rob.]

so if i chuck my used engine oil (filtered first) in with a full tank will the van run fine? just saves wasting what could be good fuel,

Nope your car will go bang

Yours is a 03 so is more 'complicated'

 

[lee131]

really? its the same block as the old 106 diesels (i think so anyway) which run on almost anything

the mix would only be like 5:40

if not what other possibilities are there

 

[Rob.]

really? its the same block as the old 106 diesels (i think so anyway) which run on almost anything

the mix would only be like 5:40



if not what other possibilities are there

The block will run on any thing. Its getting it to the block is going make problems.

Only stuff I would run on my new diesels would be fuels with a low viscosity. Like bio-diesel.

 

[lee131]

ive heard of people fitting larger injectors/better fuel pumps to cope with this for running on say kerosene,