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Astra 1.9cdti XP
A little faster yes, no match is a slight exageration! On paper the 172 is faster than a VTS but we all know results. There is even less in it between a CTR and 172 so its even tighter.
KeithO will give an honest opinion, wont ya mate?!?!
From my limited experience (one encounter when I was running my CTR it in) the two cars are pretty even in a straight line. The car has 6000k on now and definatley feels quicker.
Still looking for a RS, although I had a bit of play with a SL500 the other day. Quite satifying to stay with a car (to around 80 small stretch of road before we had to brake) which costs £50k more!!!
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Craggys vids shows that the difference is not as much as you might think between 172 and VTS. The VTS is one car I have never had the opportunity to play with but I have played with lots of CTRs!
Astra 1.9cdti XP
What is the MAC couse?
Do they teach you how to MAC bread? Best way to bake, how to fit as much bread in the back so you get the best load....etc?
FRS Mk3 Red edition
Keith
absolutely brilliant day.the instructors are ex police and have every driving qualification possible.i did mine yesterday and i learned so much about positioning on the road, safety, road craft etc etc.
he really encouraged me to "drive the car" around some lovely welsh B roads.the best day of driving i have ever had.
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This bread van was parked outside my local Safeway, there was a trail of flour out of the exhaust!
http://www.honda.co.uk/new_cars/images/big_cars/Sport_10408_3_front.jpg
Astra 1.9cdti XP
My point exactly.....at least someone agrees!!
People often have strong opinions based on their experiences.
I had a 5-door Citroen Xsara behind me once and it seemed to be keeping up with me fairly well, no matter how hard I tried. In fact, it seemed that the grin on the face of the driver would have to be surgically removed so happy was he to be keeping up with my 16v.
But I got home and realised that a fuel line from the fuel pressure regulator (facet PBV) had come loose and was dripping fuel - and making me a LOT slower than normal!
His impression will now either be that his 100bhp boat is a hot hatch slayer, or that the 16v is a slow car!
What Im saying is that throwing figures and stories around when cars seem so closely matched in terms of speed is a bit pointless. We only do it because power, speed and timings the only aspects of a car that you can really measure and compare.
The 172, CTR, 106, VTS and so on are all good hot hatches and are closer than people might (and might like to) think.
clio 20v
went out in it today for a little spin under 6k its just like a valver under 4k its not got much go but hit 6.5k and it pulls like fuk up to about 8400rpm
the vtec thingy is addictive its mad the engine note changes completely and it flies, i took him out in mine and he doesnt reckon his is any quicker but i think theres more of an acceleration rush when the vtec kicks in in the ctr, seems very hard work though keeping it in the narrow power band which shows up on the twisties
not had chance for a play yet but coming off roundabouts the clio pulls a gap and on the motorway accelarating fron 60-90 there wasnt anything in it but i got on the power first, borrowed him the ap-22 for a few runs will put up results tomorrow
A friend has a VTS and ive lost count to how many times weve raced. Even when he goes on orange i can still overtake and beat him. Even beat him when i was 4-up, and him 2 up. If i take him onto a large runway then he is toast by a long way. Possibly his is a slow example?? and mine the other extreme?
If anyone in a 172 has a "run in" with a CTR you had better be in the right gear at the right revs to get the drop on one.
I have had a go with a couple and they are fast. Put it this way at about !20 the CTR was begining to pull away and believe me I was giving it all I had - foot welded to the floor!
I will point out that I got rid of the CTR because I am moving to France and therefore want a French car aka a Williams which is a fantastic car. As for the CTR it was the most fun I had with my cloths on. Exceptional handling, addictive IVTEC, very well built and very very quick. If I wasnt moving to France I wouldnt have sold it.
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"As for the CTR it was the most fun I had with my cloths on"
But I heard you were moving to France cos the neighbours complained cos you used to drive it without any clothes on!
It was a close call when buying my 172 whether I should go for a CTR, there is still a little voice in the back of my head saying "why didnt I get the CTR" Well the CTR is slightly quicker, and has a higher top end but in all the magazines I am yet to see one beat a 172 on a track or on a 1/4 mile. 172 has lots more kit as standard, and is a smaller lighter car, does need 17s though. CTR is a different sized car more comparable to the RS or R32.
172 is the fastest car in its catagory (Yaris T-Sport, VTS, Polo GTi, Cooper S). Unlike the CTR which is now out paced by several (147 GTA, Golf R32, Focus RS.)
They are both great cars and I will probably end up owning either a CTR or R32 in the future.
Ooooo.....i think your underestimating the VTEC system!!! its ingenious, and fab, and solves most problems. Only reason it feels bland before the 3rd stage is because the first 2 lobes are of far more sedate profile, and the kick is just huge.
A clio makes 172bhp @ 6250 and mailto:200NM@ 5400rpm">200NM @ 5400rpm according to this site.
A CTR makes 197bhp @ 7400rpm and 196NM @ 5900 rpm....and 90% of the peak torque is available at 3000rpm! so, where is this lack of go?
The only reason why it feels bland is because its so well designed you dont notice the low down smooth running. It a great system, far better than teh CRAP VVT we have....which doesnt even desrve the VVT tag....
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