Clio 182 Performance

[TomRS182cup]

Hi,

I was just wondering how the performance on my Clio 182 Cup is likely to be affected by all the extra kit it has on it. It has electric mirrors, climate controll, xenon's, auto wipers etc. It feels reasonably quick but i just wanted to know what you all thought the impact on my performance would be. Oh and what power are 182 Cups usually putting out as standard? The car has only done 23,000 miles.

 

[Revels]

You have less 'kit' if you have a 182 Cup. Not more. Sounds like you might have a cup packed 182. But the answer is no difference at all.

You probably have about 170BHP. If you're lucky.

 

[TomRS182cup]

You have less 'kit' if you have a 182 Cup. Not more. Sounds like you might have a cup packed 182. But the answer is no difference at all.

You probably have about 170BHP. If you're lucky.

Good news! lol
Yes I think it is a cup packed 182, i would rather not have all the extras on it but i suppose it makes it a better all rounder.
Hmm 170 isn't a lot. Is it true that with a panel filter, exhaust and remap you will see 200 bhp? Someone said they had these mods on a 182 and saw 206 Bhp?

 

[Poopensharten]

In no way whatsoever. 20kg's is all that seperates a Cup 182 and a normal 182.

It boils down to the driver im afraid.

As Revels says, you probably have 170bhp at best, my 182 ran 172-176bhp on reputible rollers.

 

[bennno2005]

Is it true that with a panel filter, exhaust and remap you will see 200 bhp? Someone said they had these mods on a 182 and saw 206 Bhp?

No. They are lying. You'd struggle to make 180bhp i would have thought.

 

[TomRS182cup]

In no way whatsoever. 20kg's is all that seperates a Cup 182 and a normal 182.

It boils down to the driver im afraid.

As Revels says, you probably have 170bhp at best, my 182 ran 172-176bhp on reputible rollers.

Its a good job i am practically Jenson Button then....
Was that standard? That isnt too bad, i could live with anything over 170.

No. They are lying. You'd struggle to make 180bhp i would have thought.

Surely you would see more than 180 with those mods. I was thinking of getting an ITG filter, Milltek exhaust with a de-cat pipe and the Ktec stage 2 tuning pack. Eventually anyway, i can't afford at the moment. Or would it be better to just do ITB's? if i am spending £1000ish anyway.

 

[tyranical]

You'd be better off spending f**k all, the 182 is not a very tunable car at all.

It costs a fortune to get noticeable gains from it as with most N/A cars, it really isn't worth it unless you have money to burn imo.

 

[TomRS182cup]

It will be 12 months before i have any money to spend on it anyway. I just fancied 190-200 Bhp to be honest. Just so it pulls itself into its fantastic top end a bit more easily because i find it ever so slightly flat anything less than 4500rpm. I'm not after ultimate straightline performance just a little more mid range.

 

[Wick]

Unfortunately at the minute that power won't be had without Cams or ITBs or RS2 Manifold and some decent mapping...

There are things in the pipeline from other specialists, but as it stands no amount of "bolt on" mods will see 190bhp.

 

[Tony Hunter]

If your not happy with it as it is,sell it.Simple.

 

[chris_p]

No point spending money on it mate, they're very good for what they are standard. The only thing I might do on mine is get the rstuner map to help the midrange as it's shocking after the M3 lol.

 

[warwickstingray]

No point spending money on it mate, they're very good for what they are standard. The only thing I might do on mine is get the rstuner map to help the midrange as it's shocking after the M3 lol.

Your going the wrong way! After a CRX vtec which i loved but produced less torque at 7100rpm than the 182 does at less than 2000rpm the 182 feels like it could pull the earth off it's orbit. The mid-range is pretty good compared to other standard 2000cc lumps i've experienced. Unfortunately you still need a few revs before even a chunky 2.0L starts making decent power. (Torque x Engine speed) / 5,252 = Horsepower and all that.

Renault claimed 80% of available torque at 2000rpm but that only makes 44hp and 90% at 3000 is only 75hp so you can see why it needs revs. 95% at 4000rpm which is 111hp and If you believe renaults peak torque figure then it's 145hp at 5200 rpm which is when things really start to get fun. This is using renaults torque curve so this is really rough figures just to illustrate.

The M3 lump is a different ball game. It's got plenty of tricks up its sleeve where as the F4R is pretty old school really.

Best mod you can ever do is to drive my 106 diesel for a day and then get back in the clio!! In the words of EVO (hardly a good mag but i agree with this statement) the clios engine is just a means to enjoy the awesome chassis

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

I wouldnt go chasing figures, i couldnt give a monkeys what mine had all i knew was it was quick for a clio

 

[Cookson]

i find it ever so slightly flat anything less than 4500rpm.

Timing out?

 

[TomRS182cup]

If your not happy with it as it is,sell it.Simple.

No i really love the car, it is a dream come true. I just think it could benifit from a little extra mid range power, appart from that there is nothing i would change.

Unfortunately at the minute that power won't be had without Cams or ITBs or RS2 Manifold and some decent mapping...

There are things in the pipeline from other specialists, but as it stands no amount of "bolt on" mods will see 190bhp.

I was very tempted by the cam and remap package Ktec offer, i like the idea of ITB's too but the fuel consumption would take a huge hit i think. I am not decided on weather ot not to bother doing anything im just looking for advice and i think i am getting a pretty strong message lol

No point spending money on it mate, they're very good for what they are standard. The only thing I might do on mine is get the rstuner map to help the midrange as it's shocking after the M3 lol.

Ha yeah most things will feel slow after an E46 M3. I think the map would be a worth while modification it isnt that expensive.

Your going the wrong way! After a CRX vtec which i loved but produced less torque at 7100rpm than the 182 does at less than 2000rpm the 182 feels like it could pull the earth off it's orbit. The mid-range is pretty good compared to other standard 2000cc lumps i've experienced. Unfortunately you still need a few revs before even a chunky 2.0L starts making decent power. (Torque x Engine speed) / 5,252 = Horsepower and all that.

Renault claimed 80% of available torque at 2000rpm but that only makes 44hp and 90% at 3000 is only 75hp so you can see why it needs revs. 95% at 4000rpm which is 111hp and If you believe renaults peak torque figure then it's 145hp at 5200 rpm which is when things really start to get fun. This is using renaults torque curve so this is really rough figures just to illustrate.

The M3 lump is a different ball game. It's got plenty of tricks up its sleeve where as the F4R is pretty old school really.

Best mod you can ever do is to drive my 106 diesel for a day and then get back in the clio!! In the words of EVO (hardly a good mag but i agree with this statement) the clios engine is just a means to enjoy the awesome chassis

Maybe it is just me. To be fair to the Clio, the car i sold to buy it was a Focus TDCI mapped by RS Tuning in Leeds to 135 bhp but more importantly 243 lb/ft of torque so maybe my perception of what a good mid range is, is pretty warped.
Riding arround in my dads TVR Griffith 500 won't help either as that weighs less than the clio but has 330 lb/ft of torque.

I wouldnt go chasing figures, i couldnt give a monkeys what mine had all i knew was it was quick for a clio

It sure is quick for a Clio. I don't want anyone to get the wrong end of the stick here, the Clio is my absolute pride and joy, i was just looking for a bit of advice and would eventually like a little more performance.

 

[Poopensharten]

Its a good job i am practically Jenson Button then....
Was that standard? That isnt too bad, i could live with anything over 170.



Surely you would see more than 180 with those mods. I was thinking of getting an ITG filter, Milltek exhaust with a de-cat pipe and the Ktec stage 2 tuning pack. Eventually anyway, i can't afford at the moment. Or would it be better to just do ITB's? if i am spending £1000ish anyway.

It is standard mate yes, a fairly strong one i suppose, it was ran in 3rd for 172bhp and 4th for 176bhp. As said they're fairly good out the box, a Super/Turbo charger is the route to go if you want big power, ITB's (with cams) will see you 200bhp.

 

[TomRS182cup]

I deffinitely do not want forced induction, that is sacrilege. Maybe ITB's. It is after all one of the greatest noises a car can make. Just the extra engine wear, fuel consumption, resale etc.

 

[Russ_16v]

ITb's will only loose you mpg as you will be botting it to hear the noise lol - i actually got a few mpg more with my itbs when driving carefully.

As said, you will have somewhere around the 170ish bhp.

A good level to get for £1000 would be:

Ph1 172 airbox (cheap @ £60 new, and is a good design)
Matched inlets (depending how bad yours are, you may gain 2-3bhp or 10)
decat
Exhaust system (Yozzasport imo)
Custom remap (RS Tuning is s**t hot)

That will swallow your £1000, but you should be around 180-185bhp and 155-160 lb ft of torque - but much more importantly it will feel better, and you will have more midrange - which i think you want.

Next step is either cams/headwork or itb's - these will be over twice your £1000 budget (although cams without the headwork will be not far over your budget)

Id spends my money personally on good tyres, good brakes and a rear arb - this will make it more fun and will leave you plenty of change out of your budget

 

[TomRS182cup]

ITb's will only loose you mpg as you will be botting it to hear the noise lol - i actually got a few mpg more with my itbs when driving carefully.

As said, you will have somewhere around the 170ish bhp.

A good level to get for £1000 would be:

Ph1 172 airbox (cheap @ £60 new, and is a good design)
Matched inlets (depending how bad yours are, you may gain 2-3bhp or 10)
decat
Exhaust system (Yozzasport imo)
Custom remap (RS Tuning is s**t hot)

That will swallow your £1000, but you should be around 180-185bhp and 155-160 lb ft of torque - but much more importantly it will feel better, and you will have more midrange - which i think you want.

Next step is either cams/headwork or itb's - these will be over twice your £1000 budget (although cams without the headwork will be not far over your budget)

Id spends my money personally on good tyres, good brakes and a rear arb - this will make it more fun and will leave you plenty of change out of your budget

Yeah well some of the things i am going to do in the near future are ITG panel filter, Pagid pads and getting some Michelin PE2's like it should have not the Falkens it has on atm.

 

[Will.]

Spend your money on V-power. At least wasting the money will benefit you a little.

 

[172Ben]

If you are chasing figures you bought the wrong car. Trust me.

Just sort the brakes and suspension, then spend money driving it.

 

[warwickstingray]

Yep the clio would seem a bit weedy in the mid section compared to those two!

 

[TomRS182cup]

Spend your money on V-power. At least wasting the money will benefit you a little.

I already do! Nothing but Ultimate or V-power.

If you are chasing figures you bought the wrong car. Trust me.

Just sort the brakes and suspension, then spend money driving it.

I'm not chasing figures really i just want a tad more from it. Just a bit, not a lot, a bit, another 20bhp or so. If i wanted ultimate power i WOULD have spent my money else where. I bought it because of the way it goes through corners and rides bumpy brithish b-roads.
Also how do you improve the suspension? It feels pretty damn good as standard.

 

[lomas182]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. However eibachs and a rear ARB is a good relatively cheap suspension upgrade. Oh and you won't find many PE2's these days, they are now PS3's and a hell of a lot more expensive

 

[gaz44]

It will be 12 months before i have any money to spend on it anyway. I just fancied 190-200 Bhp to be honest. Just so it pulls itself into its fantastic top end a bit more easily because i find it ever so slightly flat anything less than 4500rpm. I'm not after ultimate straightline performance just a little more mid range.

Might not be what you want to do but how about some weight saving? You'll gain some power to weight that way and it should feel a bit keener right through...

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

I'm not chasing figures, Just another 20bhp or so.

Getting an extra 20bhp out of the clio will not be anywhere near as easy as your making it sound.

For example after nearly 2k spent this car now makes 187bhp!!

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...efore-and-after-results&highlight=rs2+results

 

[Bobby.]

20bhp is unreachable with out big mod like itb or boost imo

 

[Tony Hunter]

" a tad more 20bhp",sorry I had a giggle at that,you can't just bung on an air filter and exhaust and get that I'm afraid.

 

[Cookson]

" a tad more 20bhp",sorry I had a giggle at that,you can't just bung on an air filter and exhaust and get that I'm afraid.

But maxpower says you can get 8-10bhp from a HKS filter. Then a decat is a good 5 on top of that. Stainless exhaust, power boost valve and folding your back seats forwards......... easily beat the ITB boys

 

[Tony Hunter]

Who the fcuk is Max Power,never heard of him.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Great cars as standard but christ they drive better with bodies

Unfortunately it ain't cheap, and if you really can't stomach that I'd be looking at spending it elsewhere (Whether it be on the car or not)

 

[TomRS182cup]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. However eibachs and a rear ARB is a good relatively cheap suspension upgrade. Oh and you won't find many PE2's these days, they are now PS3's and a hell of a lot more expensive

Is it that easy to improve on the Clios setup? I would have thought you would have to go a long way to make it better. I didnt realise they didnt make PE2's any more.

Might not be what you want to do but how about some weight saving? You'll gain some power to weight that way and it should feel a bit keener right through...

Yeah that is deffinitely something i want to do at some point. What is the best way?

Getting an extra 20bhp out of the clio will not be anywhere near as easy as your making it sound.

For example after nearly 2k spent this car now makes 187bhp!!

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...efore-and-after-results&highlight=rs2+results

Was 144.4 standard? There is no way even a 172 is only producing 144 Bhp.

20bhp is unreachable with out big mod like itb or boost imo

I am prepared to do ITB's if thats what it will take now i know.

" a tad more 20bhp",sorry I had a giggle at that,you can't just bung on an air filter and exhaust and get that I'm afraid.

But maxpower says you can get 8-10bhp from a HKS filter. Then a decat is a good 5 on top of that. Stainless exhaust, power boost valve and folding your back seats forwards......... easily beat the ITB boys

As i keep saying i just wanted advice, that is after all the purpose of the forum, there is no need for sarcastic or flippant remarks from people.

Great cars as standard but christ they drive better with bodies

Unfortunately it ain't cheap, and if you really can't stomach that I'd be looking at spending it elsewhere (Whether it be on the car or not)

It isnt a case of i want more power or i want rid of the car. I just think this already pretty perfect car could be improved upon slightly with another 20 bhp and now i know what my options are. As i keep saying i love the thing!
At least now i know what it is going to take to get that sort of power. Its food for thought.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

The reality is 200bhp in clio would be siiiick go for it if you fancy it.

 

[Tony Hunter]

My comment was neither flippant nor sarcastic,but just realistic.A tad would be 5bhp not 20bhp.

But at least you realise that it's not going to be easy and it will cost a fair few pennies to do.(not with a student loan I would hope).

 

[Martin_172]

i ended up with a genuine 190bhp (well ok 188!) on my last 172 and it transformed the car, cost me £1500 though! imo it was worth it though

 

[172Ben]

mine made 158bhp standard.

 

[Martin_172]

i got a lovely 173 as standard

 

[TomRS182cup]

i ended up with a genuine 190bhp (well ok 188!) on my last 172 and it transformed the car, cost me £1500 though! imo it was worth it though

What mods did you do and who carried out the work? Also i know £1500 is a large sum of money but considering a sports exhaust on my brothers 350Z is £2400 it isnt too bad.

mine made 158bhp standard.

What was the milage on the car?

i got a lovely 173 as standard

How can one be producing so much less? The timing must have been out surely? 173 is a bloody good figure from a standard 172!

My comment was neither flippant nor sarcastic,but just realistic.A tad would be 5bhp not 20bhp.

But at least you realise that it's not going to be easy and it will cost a fair few pennies to do.(not with a student loan I would hope).

Well if it was neither of those things it still came across as sharp and all i wanted was some advice because clearly before i posted this thread i had no idea what it took to get extra power from a 182 Cup.
I think i may strip it out and put some bucket seats in it when i can afford. Maybe suspension and pagid pads, but i dont know where to start with suspension either

 

[172Ben]

173bhp standard is odd, as they only left the factory with 169bhp. So must be a generous RR. Mine was done on a hub RR so im hoping it was pretty accurate.

Mileage was nothing out of the ordinary, 70k ish

 

[.Kev.]

" a tad more 20bhp",sorry I had a giggle at that,you can't just bung on an air filter and exhaust and get that I'm afraid.

You can with boost.........

OP look at the Ktec low pressure turbo or Super charger conversion if you have the cash to spend. That should give you 20bhp.