Clio 197 / 200 Engine swap?

[hillclimb_clio]

Is it possible to swap the engine from a 172 for a 197/200 engine & has anybody ever done it?

I guess its not a simple swap but may be an easier/cheaper way to increased power than going down the ITB/JMS route? Somebody has suggested to me that the 172 engine is quite basic compared to the 197/200 engines?

I know turbo charging is an option but as I hillclimb mine it would take it into a modified class which I don't want to do.

 

[LowLife.]

I don't think it would be possible tbh.

If it is, I bet it's fcuking expensive.

 

[Scrooge]

Anythings possible, but I imagine the wiring to be a complete headcahe.

 

[Scrooge]

Anythings possible, but I imagine the wiring to be a complete headcahe.

Plus the 200 is 6 speed iirc so you would need a bloody big shoehorn to squeeze it in.

 

[hillclimb_clio]

Plus the 200 is 6 speed iirc so you would need a bloody big shoehorn to squeeze it in.

Yes, this was discussed & wondered if you could mount the 200 engine on the 172 'box? Thought the wiring may be the biggest headache.

 

[LowLife.]

No because surely the engine is designed to work with a six speed...

 

[Scrooge]

I actauly haven't poked around a 197/200 yet so i'm not sure what the bell housing pattern is like on them, I'm sure an adapter plate could be an option if it didn't match up.

 

[LowLife.]

How much would the engine from a 197/200 cost though?

 

[Addicted]

surely it's not worth the cost, it's such a small increase for i imagine a hefty amount, and in this instance you WOULD be better with bodies

 

[LowLife.]

surely it's not worth the cost, it's such a small increase for i imagine a hefty amount, and in this instance you WOULD be better with bodies

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Brett]

The 197/200 engine on average only makes 185 - low 190's on average anyway.

ITB's will give a genuine 200bhp generally with about 170ish lbft across a very wide rev range where as a 197/200 engine would still have the OEM peakiness but with reduced power and torque.

 

[hillclimb_clio]

But isn't the 172 engine bay a bit tight for ITB's?

 

[LowLife.]

But isn't the 172 engine bay a bit tight for ITB's?

No.

 

[Dan]

You don't even need to go ITBs to get better power than a 200/197 engine just get some harsh cams setup PROPERLY!!!! cheaper than bodies (even thought your are prob 3/4 the way to fully sutup bodies when you do it properly) and good for about 185/190 hp in a good engine

 

[hillclimb_clio]

No.

Really, I've heard that the slam panel needs to cut & a smaller Radiator is required amongst other things?

 

[Goodj]

No because surely the engine is designed to work with a six speed...

Errrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[olliewebbuk]

Lollercaust.

 

[-J-]

Dont know what the set up was but this PH1 was at CSS, i have no idea if its was a 1*2 lump with 197 Inlets or a complete swap, I didnt look that closely.

PM Mike - http://www.cliosport.net/forum/member.php?51371-Michael-Woodford-MST

Or

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Woodford-Motorsport/160618670637798

As it was stickered all over with his companys logos

 

[Dan]

im sure this one is just inlets swapped because if u take the engine out for more power why would you leave the AC on it?? sayin that some people do things that make you wonder so could still want AC with the added power lol

 

[Dan]

and plus all the old hoses and wires :S

 

[olliewebbuk]

And same ECU...

 

[-J-]

Looking at it, Same coilpack as well....

Ah well, shows how much attention I pay to things LOL

 

[Dan]

Looking at it, Same coilpack as well....

Ah well, shows how much attention I pay to things LOL

i wasnt sure on the coil pack as i didnt know what 197/200s look like lol

 

[-J-]

i wasnt sure on the coil pack as i didnt know what 197/200s look like lol

Pretty sure they use Pencil Coils rather than a coil pack.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Thats a 172 engine with the 197 inlet on it, just to prove it could be done.

We still need to finalise the map at the moment but it seems to have given some good results. It wasn't the main reason for fitting the manifold tho. All we really wanted to know is if it would fit in the space given. We are currently doing some development work with something elce that incorprates the manifold modification, witch when finnished, will be posted up. Im sure people will find it very very intersting.

 

[The Chubby Pirate]

The 197/200 mpg figures are not worth a f**k.

The standard F4R is very much FTMFW.