Clio Mk1 (williams or valver) handle as well as the mk2 172/182

[mike1986]

Basically as per my newbie post, long time renault entusiast, From 5's/19's to clios/meggy. I have had them all in 1 way or another. Im old skool first and formost, so have never owned a newer renault (172/182 etc). I have had the clio 16v and played with a williams. Both handle very nicely especialy the williams with the wider track. Problem is last night i went out in a friends 182 (forum member) and im going to be honest i need cornering like that in my life haha. But and this is a HUGE but, I would like to be able to handle b roads like a 182 in a williams or 16v (mk1). Seems silly but i just prefer the mk1's, now what i need to know is simple, can a mk1 clio handle as well as mk2 clio with modifications tat dont involve majour pains in the backside.

Big thanks in advance.

Mike

 

[EngineerD]

Is there a big difference between the way a Mk1 handles to a Mk2? I went from Mk1 Clio 16v to a Ph1 172 and while straight line speed was better, it didn't feel massively faster when cornering, just a bit heavier.

 

[mike1986]

Well since i last drove a clio 16v/williams were talking 5-6 years ... I remember em being well sorted but what i was in last night was biblical around corners. Perhaps im not doing the mk1 any justice here and perhaps need to throw one about and determine what the actual difference is. Either way id be looking at a hyrbid 16v or a williams with 150hp or a tad more from some modifications. I doubt they are even that much slower in a straight line

 

[Russ_16v]

Mk2 Clio has better rear suspension but is heavier - swings and roundabouts really.

personally I think the mk2 is a better starting point (iv had 3 mk1's, and 3 mk2's so have had experience with both) and i have tracked all constantly over the past 8 years, but it is down to pwrsonal opinion, some prefere the feel of the mk1, some the mk2 and generally speaking yes you can make a mk1 grip as much as a mk2 as such, but there is a lot more to it

 

[Struggler]

MK2s have a wider front track by around 5mm than the clio williams, (which is 27mm wider than the clio valver track iirc)
mk2s also have a thicker anti-roll bar i think

the mk1s have 269mm front brakes compared to 280mm front brake on the mk2.

and the mk2s have shocks and springs rear beam suspension, rather than torsion bar on a fixed beam.

the mk2 is also heavier by around 200kgs iirc

so there was quite a few differences that will very subtly affect the handling.

HOWEVER the good news is all of the mk2 172 front suspension will fit on the mk2, youll need to change the wishbones, hubs, coilovers, brakes, discs, shafts, bushes and ARB.

 

[mike1986]

Did you mean that 172 mk2 clio front suspenssion and assembely will fit onto mk1 clio's? If so thats epic

 

[Bluebeard]

The struts won't fit.

I've got a mk1 16v and in it its got a 172 engine/box/clutch and also the bottom arms, Hubs, discs/pads/calipers and driveshafts. Effectively its a 172 in a mk1 shell. You can leave the 1.8 engine in if you wish and still run the rest of it with 172 parts.

Handles good! lol.

If you get stuck, theres a few people on here with mk1's that will be happy to help. I built mine by just copying two members on here and harrassing them with emails. (f0xy and Whiteley)

Hope that helps.

 

[Struggler]

I did mean that, bt as above, you technically need to use custom shocks that are slightly shorted from what I've been told.

However I've not really researched it so can't say for certain!!

You could call it epic, or you could just call it lazy of renault!!

 

[Bluebeard]

You could call it epic, or you could just call it lazy of renault!!

Ha! My mechanic said exatly the same.

Just FYI, I used Coilovers (FK konigsports) in williams fitment on mine.

 

[mike1986]

Silly question but how does your mk1 (with 172 running gear) perform, assuming its lighter than a mk2 so i expect you give them a run for there money!

I am going to have to go out in a williams and then my friend with the 182 has said i can play with his, after that it's buying time

 

[Bluebeard]

I've got a williams with 172 brakes and wishbones that i'll be selling soon!

 

[mike1986]

Drop me a PM please Daniel

It sounds like an ideal starting place for me.

 

[Whiteley]

If you get stuck, theres a few people on here with mk1's that will be happy to help. I built mine by just copying two members on here and harrassing them with emails. (f0xy and Whiteley)

Hi!

Anyone want to buy mine?

 

[Bluebeard]

Don't be such a gay ffs.

 

[mike1986]

Looks good, whats the spec on that

 

[Whiteley]

Don't be such a gay ffs.

I can't put my finger on whether im bored of the Clio or bored of trackdays, a bit undecided what to do at the moment really.

Looks good, whats the spec on that

1994 16v shell
172 ph1 engine and box
172 wishbones/hubs/shafts/brakes/willy ARB
originally OMP weld in cage, now to my own spec
etc etc

It goes sideways well!

 

[mike1986]

Drop me a PM if you are looking to sell up Looks like a fun car

 

[sideways danny]

really tricky to say which is better as it's so much down to taste. the mk2 rear end is easier to customise, but I prefer the way a torsion bar rear handles. What I've really found is wrong with my RSI (same as a valver front end) is the lack of castor

 

[Richard Dawkins]

Mk2 is newer and therefore faster. End of.

 

[mike1986]

I think thats a very warped view of cars new and old. It may be newer but its fatter and uglier imo :-(

 

[16v_paddy]

Mk2 is newer and therefore faster. End of.

I think thats a very warped view of cars new and old. It may be newer but its fatter and uglier imo :-(

Unfortunately this sort of moronic anti-mk1 posting still happens quite a lot on here you just have to try & ignore it

Hi!

Anyone want to buy mine?

Yes please!
But I get the feeling Haribo & sexual favours aren't acceptable payment methods

 

[KMB]

Surely the amazing handling difference you experienced could just be down to some super sticky tyres? :clown:

 

[mike1986]

He was running good tyres admitadly. I cant see it being all down to them, personaly i run uniroyal rainsports on anything performance, i love the way they feel

 

[Dan]

i want a 172/182d MK1 sooooooooooooo bad or even a willy with some mods as they are much quicker on the qaurter mile than 172/182 with the equivarlent mods

i had a 1.9d and that was bloody good fun (tail happy but yet controlable) should ave just kept it for a future build as i only sold it for 150 quid

buuuuuuuut i just dont want to go older i still like the newer stuff in my 182 for on the road atm lol hopefully in the near future and when i have increased funds i can buy a MK1 and do a 172/182 swap for track

just for piece of mind does it matter what MK1 shell i use whether it be a 1.4RT or a valve for the best out comes of a build like this??

 

[crazyasswhiteboy]

u can buy d williams of me if u want bud ?

 

[Dan]

u can buy d williams of me if u want bud ?

dont tempt me atm lol menna be focusing on gettin the 182 to where i want it

 

[mike1986]

Personally, if i cant find a hybrid i like or a williams in the next month or so. Im going to buy the absoloute best shell i can (valver). Get the track of the willy, Grab coilovers and then find a meggane 2.016v to molest. I desperatly want the original turbines though in white bet they are hard work to find nower days

 

[Fred@BTM]

The most fun car i've owned

 

[Silent_Scone]

Fred..

Why is it pink lol

 

[Russ_16v]

And how big are theose wheels!

 

[EngineerD]

I desperatly want the original turbines though in white bet they are hard work to find nower days

They are about, just be prepared to pay!

 

[mike1986]

Id pay good money for a set lol

 

[Martin_172]

never driven a mk1 but if you think a 182 handles well you should try a mk3!!

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

never driven a mk1 but if you think a 182 handles well you should try a mk3!!

And if you think a MK3 handles well you need to try a RS250 Megane

 

[Dan]

never driven a mk1 but if you think a 182 handles well you should try a mk3!!

Mk3s are too grown up handling wise :S

 

[16v_paddy]

Personally, if i cant find a hybrid i like or a williams in the next month or so. Im going to buy the absoloute best shell i can (valver). Get the track of the willy, Grab coilovers and then find a meggane 2.016v to molest. I desperatly want the original turbines though in white bet they are hard work to find nower days

There's a guy selling some here http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42643

 

[16v_paddy]

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[Bluebeard]

There's a guy selling some here http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42643

£300???!!! FLOL!!

I've got two sets with new tyres in the garage. I'm going to do a dance around my living room now...

 

[mike1986]

wow £300 is rather steep, i was expecting £200 or less :-(

 

[16v_paddy]

I've heard they're going for even sillier money on veedub forums :S

Tbh I didn't even see the price when I posted that, just instantly thought & remembered about this thread