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Clio Renaultsport 197 Official Prices
- Thread starter Southcoaster
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Nissan 350Z
Is it just me who is dismayed by the lack of genuine hot hatches now with the true hot hatch ethos: Cheap, affordable, fast and fun, without any pretentions? A lot of cars can match most of that criteria, but the affordability is just getting silly now.
It just doesnt seem to exist. Christ, the closest you get it that kind of thing now is the likes of the Fabia vRS and C2 VTS, and ones a diesel, and the others not even fast...
It just doesnt seem to exist. Christ, the closest you get it that kind of thing now is the likes of the Fabia vRS and C2 VTS, and ones a diesel, and the others not even fast...
people people, why try to prejudge.
lets put it into perspective. Power for the new RS is the same as a MK5 golf GTI and about 170KGs lighter (may be more) The golf with all the options ticked is about £25K.
Now this is a Clio forum, think what you will. Virtually every petrol headed mag. has said the !*" is better dynamically, and could not be beaten for the bucks.
Now we have a car that is a bit heavier and kicks out this much against the "Holy Grail"?.
This is even more daft. The cars so often raged about are not even in the same class.
DO NOT compare a car that is NOT even available to cars that are within the suppliers markets.
Blaze
lets put it into perspective. Power for the new RS is the same as a MK5 golf GTI and about 170KGs lighter (may be more) The golf with all the options ticked is about £25K.
Now this is a Clio forum, think what you will. Virtually every petrol headed mag. has said the !*" is better dynamically, and could not be beaten for the bucks.
Now we have a car that is a bit heavier and kicks out this much against the "Holy Grail"?.
This is even more daft. The cars so often raged about are not even in the same class.
DO NOT compare a car that is NOT even available to cars that are within the suppliers markets.
Blaze
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rich[182]
Just read the preview in latest top gear :-
159 Ib/ft torque
215/45 R17's
Front track is +48mm
Rear track is +50mm
Wheelbase +10mm
Bigger anti-roll bars
New bushes
Subframe from Megane 225
312mm x-drilled front discs
Brembo 4 pot callipers
300mm rear discs
Revised power steering
Rear diffuser for 40kg of negative lift
Side vents
5 star Euro NCAP safety and 8 air bags
Reckon handling will be the thing that sets this aside, think theres more to it than just thinking its only +15bhp with more weight to shift
159 Ib/ft torque
215/45 R17's
Front track is +48mm
Rear track is +50mm
Wheelbase +10mm
Bigger anti-roll bars
New bushes
Subframe from Megane 225
312mm x-drilled front discs
Brembo 4 pot callipers
300mm rear discs
Revised power steering
Rear diffuser for 40kg of negative lift
Side vents
5 star Euro NCAP safety and 8 air bags
Reckon handling will be the thing that sets this aside, think theres more to it than just thinking its only +15bhp with more weight to shift
S2000
"Revised power steering"
Yeh it's revised with an electric motor
give me hydraulics anyday.
Yeh it's revised with an electric motor
give me hydraulics anyday.gazcaddy said:
Not true about paying full price. All the Renaultsport site does is put you first in line. The price is dealt by you and the dealer.
Astra VXR 17/05/07
cliobuyer said:
Biggest load of Bollox i have read on this forum, possible ever.
The only thing going for 182`s is performance. Wtf !!!
The 182 has so much more going for it than performance. I am the first to agree the build quality is not good but as well as performance they have handling, and a superb list of standard equipment, these are the facts that make the 182 so much more than just a performance car. They have looks as well but that's not fact, that's an opinion.
As for the to cheap to buy Leon OR Ctr ??? I could easily afford one and i bet a lot of 182 owners could, but i went for the cheaper 182 because they had way more to offer as a package than both of these.
I almost went for the much more expensive Cooper S and am glad i didn`t. The reason ??? Because i would be sacrificing almost everything else for better build quality, all the things a hot hatch are about, which is why i went for the 182, and i`m still to have a single regret.
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rich[182]
Think cliobuyer's post is a bit over the top tbh
To say we are too cheap to buy a LTR or CTR is a cheap shot
People do have a life outside cars and maybe chose to spend the money saved by getting a 172/182 towards having a life, and not putting everything into a new car. Personally I wanted my 172 but I could have payed upto £4k more on something else but decided I'd spend the rest on holidays, going out, clothes and savings, 172/182 are value for money and at the time for a new car were arguably the best choice for those wanting a new hot hatch without breaking the bank and a good mpg return too. Other alternatives for what I paid were 2nd hand LTR, CTR or Scoobs but looking at upto 2 year old with anything between 20k and 50k miles - not for me
To say we are too cheap to buy a LTR or CTR is a cheap shot
People do have a life outside cars and maybe chose to spend the money saved by getting a 172/182 towards having a life, and not putting everything into a new car. Personally I wanted my 172 but I could have payed upto £4k more on something else but decided I'd spend the rest on holidays, going out, clothes and savings, 172/182 are value for money and at the time for a new car were arguably the best choice for those wanting a new hot hatch without breaking the bank and a good mpg return too. Other alternatives for what I paid were 2nd hand LTR, CTR or Scoobs but looking at upto 2 year old with anything between 20k and 50k miles - not for me
Just another snippet of history for you:
When the Mk2 was released in 1998, the top model was the "16V" - with the 110bhp 1.6 lump - costing about £15k (bit of an insult to the Mk1 16V). We didn't really know whether it was intended as a Renaultsport model, but it was duly re-named the "RSi" when the Ph1 172 arrived in 2000 and later became a stadard engine / trim option. This gives us some indication of the state of the market back in the day.
There hadn't been a Renaultsport model since the demise of the 16V and Williams in early 1996 - so, today, to have a bona fide Mk3 sporting model competitively priced and released shortly after the boggo models is excellent news.
When the Mk2 was released in 1998, the top model was the "16V" - with the 110bhp 1.6 lump - costing about £15k (bit of an insult to the Mk1 16V). We didn't really know whether it was intended as a Renaultsport model, but it was duly re-named the "RSi" when the Ph1 172 arrived in 2000 and later became a stadard engine / trim option. This gives us some indication of the state of the market back in the day.
There hadn't been a Renaultsport model since the demise of the 16V and Williams in early 1996 - so, today, to have a bona fide Mk3 sporting model competitively priced and released shortly after the boggo models is excellent news.
Sine said:Just to remind everyone what we're talking about... lol
looks fabulous
