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the CUPs lighter than the mk1 - according to my mk.1 172 manual mine weighs 1035 kg and all the press say the Cup weighs 1021 kg (dry weights). Ive come to the conclusion that the mk.2 172 weighs 1059kg.
The cup is about 170 bhp per tonne and the mk.1 is 166 bhp per tonne and the mk2 i make at 162 bhp per tonne. All pretty similar.
The CUPs are generally quicker; if it was the same driver driving at the same time in both cars at the same temperature/fuel load/tyre pressures etc.
Some guys on here did some recent quarter miling. Tim0172 managed 14.4 at York dragway in a stripped-out(?) CUP and running 15 inch wheels/cut slicks (road legal) along with some other guys, who all got similar times, but a bit higher, next was 2 live in his willy got 14.6 and then adiclio16v who got 14.7 and craggy and paddy who both got 14.9 - craggy in a VTS and paddy in his mk.2 172.
Id say the small differences would be mostly down to the driver.
maybe? who knows. You cant get an accurate weight of a car unless you weigh each corner seperately - i.e. not on a weigh bridge. (so ive been reliably informed) something to do with the suspension pusing to the sides.
presumably the spare weighs 15 kg? has anyone weighed it?
The cup has the mk.2 172 gearbox id have thought, so those compensating gear ratios would also make it quicker with the less weight. Also the A/C has a belt around it and i doubt it stops turning around the cog on the A/C unit, but obviously with less force needed than if it was turned on.
Simon172-Thanks i really need to sell my 172 as its done 41k and now losing money fast being 2 years old. it
Ive been thinking about getting a cup but its really the same car and amazing value for money/performance etc.
Think i need a change, im thinking about defecting and getting a CTR or a Scooby.
What i would really like is a GTI anniversary 180 with a AMD chip 220bhp but the used prices havent really dropped yet.
rhys - ill weigh my spare and report back asap!
timebomb - i see what you mean, itd be nice for a change and i agree itd be good to go for something with more tuning potential. Are those anniversarys still available? i was led to believe they only made a limited number? i could be wrong though!
How about saving up for the VX220 turbo. Im trying to persuade my bro to get one!!
Alfa Mito 155TB
Polishing a mk2 172, doing the windows with rain x, pulling the mirrors in and dumping the spare wheel.
Loosing weight and improved airodynamics with mirrors in, would it give it comparable performance to the cup to the 1/4 mile?
is it every week, or once a month. Do you have achoice of who you run against.. Also where do you go for RR ive heard of star performance, are they local to Dunfermline??. sorry for all the Qs. On more who is the guy in the Fast & Furious type Laguna driving around, i cant work it out if its fast or not he keeps turning of before i catch him.
doubt it.Quote: Originally posted by Craggy on 06 May 2003
dunno to be honest but my vts runs quicker than iv seen a std mk1 run and mk2
What about the driver and how much they weigh?
doubt wot mate?Quote: Originally posted by oliverreed on 19 September 2003
doubt it.Quote: Originally posted by Craggy on 06 May 2003
dunno to be honest but my vts runs quicker than iv seen a std mk1 run and mk2
theres no way that a standard 172 will stay with craggys beast.....plenty have tried n failed
Maybe some entrepreneaur should buy a load of Cups, stick a spare in them, and sell them at a price half way between a cup price and a 172 price, for a bit of a profit.
I had some old Renault literature that quoted the CUP as 90kg lighter than the ph2 172 I will try and dig it out and post it!. Dont care anyway i have had both and my current 172exclusive is quicker than the lot. Doesnt make sense as i think its heavier due to the BBS alloys etc but it defo pulls away quicker.
Arh but on the road??? How can you compare a sh*tty tin saxo 2 a 172?Quote: Originally posted by 2 live on 19 September 2003
doubt wot mate?Quote: Originally posted by oliverreed on 19 September 2003
doubt it.Quote: Originally posted by Craggy on 06 May 2003
dunno to be honest but my vts runs quicker than iv seen a std mk1 run and mk2
theres no way that a standard 172 will stay with craggys beast.....plenty have tried n failed
And anyway - this dont sound standard - how can u compare a modded car to non-modded???
You might as well mention a 1000bhp Skyline while you are at it!
Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 19 September 2003
Exactly...
Chriss Cup ran 14.4 in full standard road trim, on standard wheels & tyres, with just an induction kit and an R-Sport!
This is how he drives the car everday and these are real times hes getting!
However, Tims is f*cking rapid!
Nah, if Chris can do a 14.4 with full interior timos times aint anything out of the ordinary if you ask me, when Chris gets a de-cat and strips his car im positive he will match those times with less mods.
Quote: Originally posted by oliverreed on 19 September 2003
Arh but on the road??? How can you compare a sh*tty tin saxo 2 a 172?Quote: Originally posted by 2 live on 19 September 2003
doubt wot mate?Quote: Originally posted by oliverreed on 19 September 2003
doubt it.Quote: Originally posted by Craggy on 06 May 2003
dunno to be honest but my vts runs quicker than iv seen a std mk1 run and mk2
theres no way that a standard 172 will stay with craggys beast.....plenty have tried n failed
And anyway - this dont sound standard - how can u compare a modded car to non-modded???
You might as well mention a 1000bhp Skyline while you are at it!
Settle down chief, if Craggy put his car back to standard it would still match a 172 over the 1/4 mile and on the road.
