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KDF..you shut the hell up now i cant reply to some gimp slating what i put when all they had to do was read it!!!! christ i thought i was being objective and actually saying the 172 was good!!! instead like most people mines faster than yours sh*te........is it me or should cup vs 172 be banned as this happens every time.....by the way quicker is 0-60 and faster is top speed should have made that clearer to the rems ha ha
Mazda 2, MX5 Mk2.5 Sport
@ the end of the day 0-60 wise 0.2 of a second could be lost in reaction times, whellspin, bad gear changes, sh*t driving etc. Top speed wise, how often do you get to top speed and stay there for any considerable amount of time...probably not very often.......so all in all on the road I dont think theres gonna be anthing in it....a good driver in a 172 is gonna beat a sh*t driver in a cup.....so there!
Mazda 2, MX5 Mk2.5 Sport
Cuppy wrote
sorry 172 boys you pay for the extras...if they were the same price then of course the 172 would be the better option 100% but it aint..alot of people on here not sl*ggin everyone are jealous at the fact that the cup is quicker..regardless of how many secs it is and thats fact..for the money i paid for the car value for money is fantastic and am glad everytime i drive it and the smile factor is tremendous...at the end of the day we all own renaults shouldnt we all just get along....is this forum just turning into a saxo/nova site....MINES FASTER THAN YOURS!!!!! who gives a sh*t!!!! ps before anyone comes on and says garage down the road is selling a 172 for 10,500 i know you can get them cheaper when you shop around!!!! back to the original question....IT IS UP TO YOU MATE!!!!! whatever you buy you will be slater on this forum!!!!
see the words from a dealership and rrp anywere in this paragraph????
Muppet
how about i repost my original statement...172 cup cheaper RRP (did you read that) and quicker and less of them around 172 more expensive RRP (did you read that) but fully loaded and more around on the road...to the original question almost 6 pages ago..the choice is down to the you ANDY.....i wanted a 172 but when the cup came out i chose that..is that not what a free country is about.....christ we all drive renaults....provide me proof that i started MINE IS QUICKER THAN YOURS crap!!!!!!
DOES IT REALLY MATTER!!!!!
Quote: Originally posted by CarlosTheJackel on 13 April 2003
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Alfa Mito 155TB
One way to settle this is to get say 10 cups and 10 172s, ones which havent been tuned and have a morning and afternoon race on a racetrack and look at the results.
Yesterday was hot and I was thankful for the aircon in my 172
People should just enjoy the cars they drive...I have nothing bad to say about either the cup or the 172
Do the Evo, Scooby, Porsche etc. people get this bent out of shape? I doubt it. They have luxury and sports versions of their cars as well.
They know the strippers are faster and that the luxury ones are more comfortable. Chances are it is the same with the Clios...
And although the differences are miniscule, they are cumulative on the track or stage. In other words after a few laps you can tell the difference, all other things being equal.
Weight is the enemy. It slows acceleration, makes braking distances longer and cornering speeds lower. That is why it is used as a handicap in some race series. And it doesnt take much to make the difference.
Mazda 2, MX5 Mk2.5 Sport
so if the bloke in the cup is a fat pie eater and weighs 24 stone and he has got a full tank and Im in my 172 weighing 11 stone with 1/4 of a tank Id quick his arse then
eddd - Im only messin it really doesnt bother me, I just get bored while Im a work and fancy a bit of banter. Im only joshing, I had to think really long and hard about which clio to buy (cup/172) and I did kinda fancy the more old skool hot hatch (which I think the cup is cause of the of abs en stuff) and I love the paint/blue cockpit trim. But in the end I just couldnt stand the back seat/bench. Pluss the missus wanted all the goodies, and I do find the CC pretty useful. So basically overall Im glad I choose the 172, but I reckon Id be just as happy with either. One thing I will say though is, on the road I really dont think there would be much in it
PS can we end this tread now?
Chad,
You probably would. Unless there are other variables between the two such as suspension mds that maybe we dont know about.
You are right about there being no difference on the street. But then, on the street, there theorectically is no difference between a Smart and a Ferrari, if they are observing the speed limits.
I happen to like extreme cars, whether they are big or small. My background in racing and rallying makes these little strippers attractive even as a first car. I drive my Willy daily and one does get that bit sweaty in city traffic in the summer. My M3 Sport Evolution was the same. And it didnt even have electric windows.
Variety is the spice of life and its a damn good thing we have these choices to make. Im just glad that Renault dont charge more for the Cup/Ragnotti.
I hope to meet a bunch of you at the ring on Sunday.
Ed
Audi TT Stronic
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=cs_shut_up.jpgQuote: Originally posted by CUPPY on 13 April 2003
KDF..you shut the hell up now i cant reply to some gimp slating what i put when all they had to do was read it!!!! christ i thought i was being objective and actually saying the 172 was good!!! instead like most people mines faster than yours sh*te........is it me or should cup vs 172 be banned as this happens every time.....by the way quicker is 0-60 and faster is top speed should have made that clearer to the rems ha ha
sorry dash.. hope you dont mind me borrowing your image..seemed rather appropriate in these circumstances..
