FF Clio 200, Cup pack or not?

[Ex-User (41173)]

Evening guys, I know this question probably gets asked daily however.....

I am looking to buy a Clio 200 FF, i want recaros, my only stumbling block is whether i should hunt one down with the cup pack or not!

It is becoming increasingly annoying ringing dealerships and asking if it has the cup pack fitted and getting the "ummm...just hold the line mate i'll go check....ah sorry mate no it hasn't"

I have test drove a FF200, loved it, not actually tried a 200 with cup pack fitted.

In short i live in London and the roads are shocking, but i do like the idea of the cup chassis!

Any thoughts/suggestions very welcome..

Ta

 

[Heez]

A Full Fat is a cup packed 200.

 

[MarkCup]

If you live and drive mainly in London the ONLY thing the Cup pack will give you is;

Anthracite wheels
Red brake calipers
An unnecessarily hard ride

I came from 8 years and 130k miles in a 172 Cup to a non cup packed 200. Have given it a couple of track outings already and it copes just fine. On the country roads I pound along every day it is perfect.

The Cup suspension pack is not necessary to enjoy the car.

 

[Jordi17]

Needs cup chassis, Recaros, Speedlines. All three are essential IMO.

 

[MarkCup]

Needs cup chassis, Recaros, Speedlines. All three are essential IMO.

Essential for what exactly?

Lightening your wallet?

 

[Nick172Cup]

The only good thing about Cup packs is resale. And that's only because everyone else has said its a 'must'...

 

[R-Sport.]

The only good thing about Cup packs is resale. And that's only because everyone else has said its a 'must'...

Plus the wheels look w*nk without the red calipers-

Silver calipers & silver 5 spokes = pauper spec

S

 

[Nick172Cup]

Lol the 5 spokes look s**t regardless, put Speedlines on and it makes it look fine regardless of silver or red calipers.

 

[Spee]

Get a standard chassis version with recaros and speedlines, then paint the calipers and wheels, best of both worlds. The Cup pack is a little tiresome on rubbish roads, but feels superb everywhere else.

 

[Jordi17]

Essential on the 200 i think.

Funny how non cupped 182's get so much stick on here...

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

I would strongly suggest trying both cup and non cup setups and then decide for yourself. If i used my 200 every day i would have seriously regretted choosing the cup suspension. Its firmer than the coilovers i had on my 182 (much better damped mind you) if you spend more than a minute or so on rough roads its easy to find yourself thinking why the hell you chose a rock hard track setup on a car that wont see a track!!

Dont spec it for resale as for the 2/3 years you have to drive it you may regret it. It is a really tricky call as the reason i picked the clio is because of the driving experience, the quick rack and firm suspension give it the edge when the conditions are perfect. But when the road is in shocking condition a non cup'd clio will be a much more pleasant place to be.

 

[Ex-User (41173)]

Decided to go for the recaros and cup pack! Picking it up wednesday

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?651082-Wahoo-Just-Bought-a-GW-Clio-200!

 

[Jordi17]

Is that Maidstone Renault?

 

[Ex-User (41173)]

Is that Maidstone Renault?

Yes

 

[MarkCup]

Wow. I paid £3k less than that for mine with 5k less miles on it! Hope you enjoy it.

 

[Ex-User (41173)]

Wow. I paid £3k less than that for mine with 5k less miles on it! Hope you enjoy it.

I didn't pay advertised price....

cheers anyway

 

[Knuckles]

The only gripe you'd have with the cup chassis would be if you were a pansy I use mine daily and have no problems with it

Make sure you don't need a piss when you go out in it though. That is very unpleasant lol

Enjoy

 

[Jimbo_M]

Defo have it cup 'packed'! Will be easier to sell it too.

 

[Munson]

The 100% standard 197 I drove was way stiffer than my 182 Cup, and rolled a lot less, so IMO the 182 comparison is a bit pointless. Not the same car.

 

[devilsadvocate]

I went for the non cupped 200.

Couldn't care less about the colour of the alloys/calipers so it just came down to the ride.

I test drove a cupped one and didn't like the suspension, it felt similar in hardness to my old Saxo and I hated that thing.

 

[Goodj]

hope you're freindly with your local chiropractor

 

[Ex-User (41173)]

Where did you pic yours up and what colour?

I went for the non cupped 200.

Couldn't care less about the colour of the alloys/calipers so it just came down to the ride.

I test drove a cupped one and didn't like the suspension, it felt similar in hardness to my old Saxo and I hated that thing.

 

[baysthebest]

Much more desirable and easier to sell with the Cup Chassis, ride with or without is still firm!

 

[Knuckles]

hope you're freindly with your local chiropractor

puff :rasp:

 

[Adam.]

Much more desirable and easier to sell with the Cup Chassis, ride with or without is still firm!

Myth.

Had no bother selling my 200 with no cup packs.

 

[baysthebest]

Myth.

Had no bother selling my 200 with no cup packs.

Not saying you would have a problem selling it but if most people had a choice of 2 identical cars one with and one without then then most people prefer the cup chassis option as there would only be a minimal cost difference (if any) on the used market.

Im only talking from my experience of selling RS vehicles since 182's were new

 

[Jamie]

I wouldn't want to buy one without the add ons mentioned. Id say it was no myth.

 

[MarkCup]

It's no myth amongst this community, but there are others outside it not swayed by the 'it's got to have cup packs, recaros, silvervisions' approach so often blindly followed on here.

There's a market for them, they'll sell. Just not on here.

 

[200 Alex]

I went for cup pack purely for track days. If you don't do them, don't bother.

As mark has said, they still perform well even without them. You have to know your stuff or be a good driver to get the most out of a cup packed one too.

Don't do it mate, I did but that's for obvious reasons. It will save you a lot of money.

 

[Sir_Dave]

Personally, i didnt get on with the steering in the non-cup pack one, & whilst still overly light, the cup pack did improve the speed of response imho. If you want comfort, buy a 3 series :rasp:

 

[Chapppers11]

Some people need to man up slightly, my 89 year-old Grandmother got into the Recaros and she said it was a nice ride. (Cup Chassis)

 

[Ex-User (41173)]

Cheers guys

I went for the 200 with cup pack and recaros

 

[Chapppers11]

Good choice.

 

[Goodj]

Personally, i didnt get on with the steering in the non-cup pack one, because just not racecar enough. If you want comfort, buy an E-class :rasp:

EFA

 

[Christopher]

You really don't need the Cup Chassis to enjoy the car, but IMO the non-Cup rack is woeful. It emphasised the softer suspension even more.

I gave it some thought before ordering mine, but I went Cup. I drove from Le Mans to Manchester in one sitting (700 miles & 15 hours) and got out as fresh as a daisy. Ish.

That was with Recaros too.

 

[Munson]

So you didn't stand up? Good tip.

 

[Advikaz]

Mine came from maidstone, served me well so far.

 

[devilsadvocate]

Mine came from maidstone, served me well so far.

Mines from Maidstone as well, small world!

 

[Advikaz]

Mines from Maidstone as well, small world!

Im down the road in west Malling mate, what colours your 200 I'll keep an eye out I often see 200s but I never get spotted!

 

[JayR]

I always go for the cup pack (more hardcore beastie/better chances when it comes to resale imo) however having owned one with recaros/cup chassis and one with full leather/cup chassis the recaros are the back breaker!

If it's an everyday ride and you're looking for a semi comfortable hot hatch I would go for either or not both and IMO the cup chassis nab it.