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GDI Clio 172 (ITB'd) VS Subaru Impreza vid



  Inferno 182
I would say around 215bhp based on the mods (luckys had the same setup with a 182 manifold and had 222bhp) in a car that weighs around a ton so say 215bhp/ton for arguments sake.

Whats a scooby weigh? 1300kg? plus 4 wheel drive transmission loss so say the scooby would need 280bhp+ to stay with him. In the video the clio slaughters the Scooby so the Scooby must be running low 200bhp.

I would say based on the spec it would be as quick as an M3 but wouldnt go away from it like it did against the scooby.

Hi, Im not douting the clios quick just that his scoob is definatley slow. If the scoob spent half as much as the clio did on the engine it would be a different story altogether;)

My classic when tuned at 270bhp on the tiny UK TD04 turbo kept up easy with an M3 ( P reg 320bhp) from a rolling start. From the lights I did leave him though.:D Once I changed to a slightly bigger turbo (VF28) to get 313bhp then it became far to easy to pass cars and became a bit boring to be honest.;)

I used this http://letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp and found it to be quite accurate. Its the easyest way to see whos cars quicker. As the results will be from the same calculator and all things being relative it is a fair comparrisson.

A classic scoob weighs 1200kg or less if its an RA. I have found that the clio does like tighter bends a bit more compared to the impreza do to the clio being so small and nimbble. ;)

SO whats next for the clio? I think a nice bottle of NOS would fit nicely in the boot;) You should get at least 270bhp then:cool:
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
You can beat an E46 M3!! Are you having a giraffe! 321Bhp!!! 175mph top end! Even the pink bus would struggle! haha...

I wish my willy was a quick as you boys made them out to be. Mine must be a slow one.
 
not sure on weight Tom, I'd say about the same as my Williams was. It's got lightweight bonnet, bootlid, smaller cup alternator, no aircon, and engine weight is reduced without having the standard body on it and head cover. Back seats are currently out of the car too...

If your can easily beat a 288bhp/ton car mine wouldn't stand a chance, take it your running around the 400bhp marker?

Mark, already told you, I'm having the BE rebuilt to a 2.2 in the persuit of more power... pretty bloody obvious really. The cams will stay as they are for mid range torque for the time being. I don't know why Ben would say that either and find that hard to believe, as he's already said I can do the bottom end and looking at Andy's demo car running a steel bottom end you either mis heard or are misinformed, as it's perfectly usable for the road. At worst the car would end up being peaky with Valver type characteristics, but would be more than okay for a road car.

I think I'll listen to the experts on my next mods, but that's for your insightful input lol
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
If your can easily beat a 288bhp/ton car mine wouldn't stand a chance, take it your running around the 400bhp marker?

I wish! lol. Nah he had a passenger and i didnt. So i'd put the frst in around 1100kgs and mine 1300. I'm around the 300bhp mark

My gearing was much longer than his and thats where he was losing out...:)

BTW, was that scoob a STi or just a WRX? And no i'm not doubting anything....lol
 

seb

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio trophy
quite a pleasing motor that mate ;) looks fast as fook. What will it be roighly running with the 2.2 build? or what is the power your aiming for?

When your next down my neck of the woods we'll have to have a meet up. :)
 
Jace, Scoob's actually weigh 1235kg's, the RA's not much lighter really. They seem impressive on Letstorquebhp, but having driven several 280bhp classics while they are quick they are not as quick as most people make out. Another friend recently sold his 280bhp UK turbo as he had no need for it, he already has a 260bhp Ibizia which completely murders it, unfortunately I never got chance to have a go against it.

Ali, yeah, pulled about half a car on him in 2nd, he closed in 3rd, before I pulled on him again, there's wasn't really a great deal in it, but I'll be getting video evidence for the haters, as it's funny watching people eat their words. Oh, and they are 343bhp, the E36 M3 is 321bhp and both are limited to 155mph, the E36 M3 GT is the one that will go beyond as it has no rev cut in 5th until the red line.

Tom, no idea on exact model, it has pink badges on it though and Subaru Technica International or some crap on the interior, but it's debadged and only running basic mods
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
You can beat an E46 M3!! Are you having a giraffe! 321Bhp!!! 175mph top end! Even the pink bus would struggle! haha...

I wish my willy was a quick as you boys made them out to be. Mine must be a slow one.

Ali are you forgetting the M3 weighs over 1500kg against a car that weighs maybe less than a 1000kg? Pretty identical bhp/ton ratios
 
  MERCEDES CLS AMG
Bet your glad you got rid of that bucket of spanners and traded in for something more modern eh ?

Keep it light with big HP and you will destroy most semisupercars ( the ones that people buy because they dont know how to tune / build a fast car themselves ) you know the type

Nice vid dude - well done
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Jace, Scoob's actually weigh 1235kg's, the RA's not much lighter really. They seem impressive on Letstorquebhp, but having driven several 280bhp classics while they are quick they are not as quick as most people make out. Another friend recently sold his 280bhp UK turbo as he had no need for it, he already has a 260bhp Ibizia which completely murders it, unfortunately I never got chance to have a go against it.

Ali, yeah, pulled about half a car on him in 2nd, he closed in 3rd, before I pulled on him again, there's wasn't really a great deal in it, but I'll be getting video evidence for the haters, as it's funny watching people eat their words. Oh, and they are 343bhp, the E36 M3 is 321bhp and both are limited to 155mph, the E36 M3 GT is the one that will go beyond as it has no rev cut in 5th until the red line.

Tom, no idea on exact model, it has pink badges on it though and Subaru Technica International or some crap on the interior, but it's debadged and only running basic mods

Oouch the guy at the RR only Ran 321 in his E46. I'd still love to see that race. I got beat by one not so long ago! So much torque!
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
Sounds like a STi. Fair play mate. :) Looks like a STi4 + dash too so quicker than the older ones. :)

My bro's with a simple engine rebuild, remap, flywheel and few other bits pulled from his mates E46 M3. But my bro's wasnt standard. The engine rebuild because supprise supprise the bottom end went. And your mates will probably go soon too.....lol
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
You can beat an E46 M3!! Are you having a giraffe! 321Bhp!!! 175mph top end! Even the pink bus would struggle! haha...

I wish my willy was a quick as you boys made them out to be. Mine must be a slow one.

Ali are you forgetting the M3 weighs over 1500kg against a car that weighs maybe less than a 1000kg? Pretty identical bhp/ton ratios

john the BHP is ultimately the top end. The torque is conclusive in what the jesus is sayin about pulling through the gears! Post this on the M3 forum...It'll be like Stromba and the willy all over again! haha
 
  Turbos.
I understand you are anti GDI for some reason, but I'm good friends with Ben, Andy and Yoz, all of whom are the biggest tuners on here yet seem to get others respective customers taking pot shots and having sly digs at each other... pretty pathetic really.

Maybe if you knew the situation you'd understand.
 
Mark, already told you, I'm having the BE rebuilt to a 2.2 in the persuit of more power... pretty bloody obvious really. The cams will stay as they are for mid range torque for the time being. I don't know why Ben would say that either and find that hard to believe, as he's already said I can do the bottom end and looking at Andy's demo car running a steel bottom end you either mis heard or are misinformed, as it's perfectly usable for the road. At worst the car would end up being peaky with Valver type characteristics, but would be more than okay for a road car.

You already told me you were having it rebuilt to 2.2? sorry must have missed that,lol.

The steel bottom end does not mean the engine has low torque and high bhp its the cams that do that. The steel bottom end allows the engine to rev higher without breaking and therefore put some higher lift cams in to give more torque up the rev range which gives big bhp but reduces torque lower down. So whats the point in the steel bottom end if you keep cams that peak at 6500rpm, its a waste of money.

I didnt know Andy had built an engine with a steel bottom end whats it rev to? how much was the crank!? must have cost a small fortune.

Heres a thread, which has a reply by BenR, about a 2.2 conversion.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114675
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Mark, already told you, I'm having the BE rebuilt to a 2.2 in the persuit of more power... pretty bloody obvious really. The cams will stay as they are for mid range torque for the time being. I don't know why Ben would say that either and find that hard to believe, as he's already said I can do the bottom end and looking at Andy's demo car running a steel bottom end you either mis heard or are misinformed, as it's perfectly usable for the road. At worst the car would end up being peaky with Valver type characteristics, but would be more than okay for a road car.

You already told me you were having it rebuilt to 2.2? sorry must have missed that,lol.

The steel bottom end does not mean the engine has low torque and high bhp its the cams that do that. The steel bottom end allows the engine to rev higher without breaking and therefore put some higher lift cams in to give more torque up the rev range which gives big bhp but reduces torque lower down. So whats the point in the steel bottom end if you keep cams that peak at 6500rpm, its a waste of money.

I didnt know Andy had built an engine with a steel bottom end whats it rev to? how much was the crank!? must have cost a small fortune.

Heres a thread, which has a reply by BenR, about a 2.2 conversion.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114675

Has andy Robbed a bank recently!! As mark says a steel crank isn't pocket change! I'll drive the next Bankjob!
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
Ali are you forgetting the M3 weighs over 1500kg against a car that weighs maybe less than a 1000kg? Pretty identical bhp/ton ratios

john the BHP is ultimately the top end. The torque is conclusive in what the jesus is sayin about pulling through the gears! Post this on the M3 forum...It'll be like Stromba and the willy all over again! haha


Oh i agree but i can easily believe this clio could 'trouble' a standard E46 M3.

Ahh would love to see the vid posted on the M3 forum...let the excuses flood in,lol
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
Unfortunately i know a guy here with a E46 M3 with a supersprint exhaust and a few other tweaks. Nice car but he's runined it with a s**t front bumper and he's a total arsehole
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Unfortunately i know a guy here with a E46 M3 with a supersprint exhaust and a few other tweaks. Nice car but he's runined it with a s**t front bumper and he's a total arsehole

They had one of the rollers recently and it keep cutting out. the ABS sensor cut the power! he was not a happy boy! haha
 
Cliobuyer, I know the situation all too well, and better than most, but as I said, both are good friends so I wont and will not take sides, it's for them to sort out, but people bitching and making derogatory comments doesn't help. I'd like nothing more than them to be mates again, but that's not up to me... but all this doesn't help... anyway... moving on lol

Mark, I see what you are saying, but building the steel BE is not all about simply making the car rev harder is it? I think you should actually wait and see some of the vids and power outputs on Andy's car, as no offense pal, but as Matt says, it's very easy to say it will or wont do this or that and I dont even pretent to understand it, hence why I'm happy to pay people like Andy and Ben to do the work for me. I know enough to ask the right questions and what I want out of the car, but for the technical ins and outs that's not my field.

Fred, I dont plan on keeping up with Yoz! lol. his driver skill difference over mine is worth at least 100+bhp as it is lol. plus the Yoz/Fred mobile is more tuned, setup for racing, mine's a bit of fun to annoy more expensive cars on the road. Let me get a steel bottom end and I'll gladly test it though. Let me just say though that this isn't the same car I bought, it's a fair bit faster and torquier (is that even a word? lol) than it was. In fact Yoz is up my way soon, if he bring it over I'll have a do down the runway and we can get some bridge tests going, 130mph is about where I'm sitting these days.

Matt, cheers mate, it is a bit annoying when you get people that think that because it's a clio and it's not turbo'd or whatever than it simply wont do the things you claim... so up goes a bit of proof and it's the other guy couldn't drive, his cars's fucked, or slow etc etc... he knows how to drive his Scooby's, he's had two already and even on the 2nd run where he sets off before the 3rd beep he still gets passed in 2nd... but I'm happy with the car, which to me is all that is important, if people want to pick holes, fair enough if it's someone like Matt who's opinion on these matters is worth a damn then I'll listen, as it will at least be constructive and not filled with hidden agenda and baiting.

Tom, he blew the last one up, well, the BE had some pretty severe piston slap, the gearbox was on it's way and the clutch was fooked as well lol. This one's only having mild mods on it, I dont think he wants anymore power as he only plans on getting a proper remap.
 
  MKIII 138
current UK STi weighs 1495-1500kg has 20-25% transloss and come in at 275-280 hp there great off the line and very fast but nothing a 210hp clio couldnt handle once rolling, top end the scoob may have it but by then youve already done enough damage
 
  Inferno 182
If the clio can keep up with a M3 E46 then fare play
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Are you gonna get your car dynod? I think your cars got more power than you realise.
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Just join a group buy on a dyno session. Scoobynet have loads of dyno days and Im sure they wont mind if you popped along
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_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
current UK STi weighs 1495-1500kg has 20-25% transloss and come in at 275-280 hp there great off the line and very fast but nothing a 210hp clio couldnt handle once rolling, top end the scoob may have it but by then youve already done enough damage

Thats not a current uk sti though? :S
 
Tom...

My 200sx would be blowing exhaust fumes and flames down his trumpets from car lengths infront but if he caught me off boost then I doubt it would be the same situation. The s14a definately feels a lot quicker 90+mph than the 172 did.

Not sure on your car as I beleive its running less power than mine.
 

_Tom

ClioSport Club Member
Tom...

My 200sx would be blowing exhaust fumes and flames down his trumpets from car lengths infront but if he caught me off boost then I doubt it would be the same situation. The s14a definately feels a lot quicker 90+mph than the 172 did.

Not sure on your car as I beleive its running less power than mine.

Ahh right cool. I had a bit of a "to do" with a stage 2 S14a the other night there wasnt anything in it for some reason?! He had the slight edge but thats it. Maybe pulled a car length? :S
 
  Lionel Richie
a bottom end is going to cost around £4K

its abit pointless seeing as the top end is the main limiting factor
 


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