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Quote: Originally posted by SOHROB on 26 August 2005
roughly how much did it cost to build this engine ?
a lot is the answer!!!! this is our top spec track engine (using the wildest cams available for the stdandrad valves + lifters)
we can supply upto 8 wilder cams, but solid lifters are required on all of them = +£££££
28% on top of the ATW figure???
Well if thats gospel our turbo has just become 319 BHP at the fly, better change our literature.
I have never seen any loses above 35 BHP on FWD worst case, but most are between 20 - 30. This is all getting out of hand.
A standard 172 is always around 146 ATW, which makes it around 186 BHP (NO) Our 182 has proven no lower than 156 and usually 158 - 159 ATWs, on the worst case then its 199 BHP, (No its not) These figures has come from over 7 different venues, so im quite confident in them.
Bottom line is an ATW figure is NOT a percentage.
Audi A6 (S3 on order)
28% is the figure that the operators of Mass rolling roads use.
They have that figure as they also run a dyno on site. Over many years of running cars on dyno and then on their RR and getting losses of 28% (varying with baro) they have every right to use this figure.
Nobody is suggesting you use 28% for any other RR setup, just this one.
If you like, take your nice green car over and run it there ? Talk to the guys (who do dyno and RR for Cosworth) and see for yourself.
Bye.
why are BB tuning trying to belittle the results? look guys, your turbo conversions may be hideously overpriced and under perform down the 1/4 mile, but there isnt really any reason to start your bull sh*t on here. Its amazing that when GDI and Angel Works create anything good you get a load of dick heads coming on trying to talk it down and make sure they get their company name on the thread. start your own threads, then we can talk about 50 reasons why to goto GDI and not go to BB... lets start with price... "right, so that was £10000 for the kit and £5000 for the fitting?" ... "yes thats right, but I suggest you get out TLC pack, as when this mofo breaks, its really gonna cost ya!" http://www.cliosport.net/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
So, when we use this dyno, we just add 28%. Anywhere else and its actually calculated properly. Is that what you are saying?
I think Its about time people put a search in Google and found out how the dyno calculations actually work.....
"Horse power = Peak Torque X RPM (the peak was reached) / 5252 = BHP ATW"
Ie, Our turbo 172
"276 lbft Peak Torque X 4750RPM / 5252 = 249BHP ATW" A figure that has been recorded on many an occasion.
Nippy white cup
Thats to work out at the wheels tho isnt it? Dont they already have that figure?
Chris
Quote: Originally posted by TheJesus on 26 August 2005
why are BB tuning trying to belittle the results? look guys, your turbo conversions may be hideously overpriced and under perform down the 1/4 mile, but there isnt really any reason to start your bull sh*t on here. Its amazing that when GDI and Angel Works create anything good you get a load of dick heads coming on trying to talk it down and make sure they get their company name on the thread. start your own threads, then we can talk about 50 reasons why to goto GDI and not go to BB... lets start with price... "right, so that was £10000 for the kit and £5000 for the fitting?" ... "yes thats right, but I suggest you get out TLC pack, as when this mofo breaks, its really gonna cost ya!" http://www.cliosport.net/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
I didnt think Ben had a hand in this build ?
Audi A6 (S3 on order)
He didnt, but they seem to attack his work too.Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 26 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by TheJesus on 26 August 2005
why are BB tuning trying to belittle the results? look guys, your turbo conversions may be hideously overpriced and under perform down the 1/4 mile, but there isnt really any reason to start your bull sh*t on here. Its amazing that when GDI and Angel Works create anything good you get a load of dick heads coming on trying to talk it down and make sure they get their company name on the thread. start your own threads, then we can talk about 50 reasons why to goto GDI and not go to BB... lets start with price... "right, so that was £10000 for the kit and £5000 for the fitting?" ... "yes thats right, but I suggest you get out TLC pack, as when this mofo breaks, its really gonna cost ya!" http://www.cliosport.net/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
I didnt think Ben had a hand in this build ?
just mean in general mate, all the haters came out when Ben built Mehdis engine... as usual. to read it just looks like childish jealous envy. BB Tuning are only here commenting as they are threatened... if people want lexus lights they goto BB and K-Tec, if they want a fast car they see Ben or Andy. SimpleQuote: Originally posted by Loony on 26 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by TheJesus on 26 August 2005
why are BB tuning trying to belittle the results? look guys, your turbo conversions may be hideously overpriced and under perform down the 1/4 mile, but there isnt really any reason to start your bull sh*t on here. Its amazing that when GDI and Angel Works create anything good you get a load of dick heads coming on trying to talk it down and make sure they get their company name on the thread. start your own threads, then we can talk about 50 reasons why to goto GDI and not go to BB... lets start with price... "right, so that was £10000 for the kit and £5000 for the fitting?" ... "yes thats right, but I suggest you get out TLC pack, as when this mofo breaks, its really gonna cost ya!" http://www.cliosport.net/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
I didnt think Ben had a hand in this build ?
Quote: Originally posted by TheJesus on 26 August 2005
why are BB tuning trying to belittle the results? look guys, your turbo conversions may be hideously overpriced and under perform down the 1/4 mile, but there isnt really any reason to start your bull sh*t on here. Its amazing that when GDI and Angel Works create anything good you get a load of dick heads coming on trying to talk it down and make sure they get their company name on the thread. start your own threads, then we can talk about 50 reasons why to goto GDI and not go to BB... lets start with price... "right, so that was £10000 for the kit and £5000 for the fitting?" ... "yes thats right, but I suggest you get out TLC pack, as when this mofo breaks, its really gonna cost ya!" http://www.cliosport.net/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
Think some people are coming down a bit hard on BBTuning here, I dont think he was trying to offend anyones work or doubt it either...
besides, what he stated about the losses figure being too high only works in GDIs favour anyway... Dyno figures ATFW have been proved, so any decrease in % lossage increases ATW figures anyway.
I just want to say... WHO CARES ABOUT BHP NUMBERS?? What matters is how quik the car is on road/track!!! Forget BHP and give me times in SECONDS!
0-60mph
0-100mph
1/4mile
etc
You can have a 1000bhp engine BUT if you cant put that power to the ground... leave to rust cause its not worthit.
Quote: Originally posted by rmccardal on 26 August 2005
Will stealthsport have any cars in attendance ?
YES will you be there?
"PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
GDI ???BHP Cliosport172
Quote: Originally posted by TheJesus on 26 August 2005
yeah, sound better than trying to hijack threads
... you guys getting the beers in tho or what? Sounds familiar!
I seem to remember the
UNWANTED comments in the bb threads not so long ago. They are still there i think because they didnt have a moderator stuck up our a*se deleting anything what we didnt want to hear!
im not siding with anyone here but to say that 13.2 quarter is bad is wrong,no one likes to hear this but its all down to driver,mike smith who used to have the red 5 turbo he clocked low 12s the kid whos got it now cant get anywhere near that
Sorry ive gone completely off topic nice build
[Edited by matty w on 26 August 2005 at 10:01pm]
