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Graham's summer 172 cup track car



Mbeau

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172
I knew I recognised your car at Brands! I was there turning a few MK3 Megane airbag lights off! I saw you drive up and down with a load of gravel down the nearside of the car! I take it the quarter panel damage was already there?
 

GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
The BMW video is a lot better than the last lot! You’re certainly picking up that editing lark!

YouTube is something I’ve always wanted to give a go, but I’m rubbish with the editing side of it.
The vid has a very LLF feel to it and we all know how good those videos are, however, I found the music to be very depressing.

Love the new font too, looks good mate
Thanks matey, you'd be surprised at how just a couple of editing tricks make the video have a totally different feel. I've wanted to publish a video like that for ages. Strangely one of the first videos I experimented with was very similar but never made it onto the youtube! The music was intended to be slightly different, elegant with a sense of build up to the start. Took me and Mart 4 hours to film enough decent footage to make that 2 minutes clip.

Loving those M&S biscuits mate :)
Thought that was you. Recognised the picture!

I knew I recognised your car at Brands! I was there turning a few MK3 Megane airbag lights off! I saw you drive up and down with a load of gravel down the nearside of the car! I take it the quarter panel damage was already there?
Ah yes, it certainly was. So easy to miss people on days like that when the weather makes you want to stay in your garage. Some wicked Megane's there. Would love one really but costs are ££££ The panel damage was there. Full story on page 4 or 5 I think...bus.
 

Mbeau

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172
I shall come and say hello next time. I am normally there in my track car as Brands Hatch is my local track.
 

GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
Bedford GT



Time for a quick update now I've made a video. Mart and I went to Bedford only 10 days after our previous Brands Hatch outing, however, this time we were much better prepared for rubbish weather and spent the weekend before checking over the car to make sure it was tickety boo.

The O/S CV boot had started to leak so we spent a while doing the job everyone loves, cleaning up grease and then re-filling the CV,making sure we used plenty of blue roll to wipe the sludge off everything we touched. After that I finally gave the car and oil change. Now, hate me, because I haven't changed the oil in this car since I put the engine in a few years ago. I have however put over 20l of oil in the engine so in my eyes it's changed it's self a few times by now. I did however do the filter this time, using a spare one I'd been hoarding in my spares box for a few years. As I've said in previous posts, the engine does need a bit of work to ensure longevity. I have the stem seals and tools needed but am fighting a battle to allocate any kind of investment to this car and it needs at least £500 spending to make what I want. Anyway, after that we fitted Marts R1Rs on the car which immediately hit the arch on the back. All this is explained in the video but the stub axle spacers proved to be way too big with et35 TDs and R1Rs.

On to the trackday then, we headed up the night before and I got a great night sleep in the Travelodge next to some mandemz who thought it was great to be loud all night. We met Rich, Fraz, @Mazz and Luca at the track and thankfully, given the crappy weather, I'd nabbed the last garage on the Thursday. We had two incidents, the first with the stub axle spacers which had to come off immediately and second when we hit the noise limit and had to put the centre silencer in.

When the weather is naff, sharing a trackday works really well. Although not on this one because of the repairs, it usually allows for much more time chilling out, chatting to people and taking photos. The cost is just so much more bearable and this whole say including all fuel and Travelodge. only set me back £130. I'm slowly trying to get better at taking motorsport photos and if any of you are so kind to follow us on Instagram you will know 99% of the photos we post are ones I've taken. Tips welcome!

The Cup is now in hibernation for a while. I am hoping to do Cadwell and Oulton this year but as always, trackdays are the bottom priority on the spending list! That said I do have a voucher to use so at least one of them will be done.

Enjoy the video and piccies. As always, thank you for reading and thank you to all those who take the time to watch my videos, comment and like them. It really is appreciated and makes the effort worth it. PS, when I posted the photo of the black 182 on Insta, noone spotted the easter egg of the caliper carrier being upside down!

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GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
What's going on here then?

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This is more an update for update sake but there is a lot of change coming in the garage. I forgot to mention in my last post that I'd done the previous 3 trackdays with an overdue cambelt! Go me. After beating on the cup so hard over the past few years it needs a lot of work, is leaking like a sieve and is starting to show it's age. I've written about doing it so many times and something always stands in the way of getting it done, mainly my brain saying it's not worth it.

This time though things are different and after having a couple of different Clios over the past few months this one popped up with a good condition shell and a bust engine. It really did sound like a total bag of nails but the rest was so original and untouched I couldn't say no. I'm sure a few of you will have seen I bought Dan's megane converted car which ended up bring broken. I did originally want to use this shell but it had a plate welded over the gearbox tunnel and a few too many holes in for my liking so I had to chop it in. This one is nice though and will hopefully turn into the track car I can be proud of.

Where does this leave the cup then. Well it's currently sat up waiting to be stripped down. The condition of the shell had always bothered me, the metal had been folded in the front wheel arches after it'd been in a previous crash, the dent in the side as never going to be cost effective to fix and the floor had taken a knock too. All those things just put it over the edge for me. Not to mention the green bits I'd put on it. Whilst I like them, when you're parked in a travelodge for the night they're the kind of thing which could easily draw an unwanted crowd and end up with all my tools being stolen.

The plans for this one are to take it slow and build the car I've always wanted. That means everything painted and zinc coated to make it nice and clean to work on. Preventative measures will be taken to ensure it's kept rust free for as long as possible and the exterior will be a bit more subtle. Quality is the priority with no rushing jobs or cut corners.

For the running gear it's going to be the same suspension, ASTs, but this time with a turbo hanging off the engine. The engine is going to be a combination of a few bits I've got laying around including a nice low mileage block rebuilt up with standard internals, new bearings and 197 valve springs. I don't intend to chase power and just want a nice torquey track car.

I've always wanted to do this and it's now going to become a reality.

Ciao for now. Another update to come in a few weeks/months whenever I decide to stroll back into the garage. I'd quite like to do the cambelt on the cup and get one last track day in it....
 

a17vts

ClioSport Club Member
  2005 RB 182 Cup
This sounds amazing, I’m very jealous as I would love mine to at the level you describe.

You need to update more...
 

GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
Sound good mate.
Yeah man I can’t wait!

This sounds amazing, I’m very jealous as I would love mine to at the level you describe.

You need to update more...
Yours will always be better than mine ? it’s going to be a super long build taking any spare change I make from the last couple of breakers.

MORE updates! I enjoy seeing your Instagram, but I prefer the in-depth write up on here
Fear not! The insta stuff is a nice and quick way to show what we’re up to but there will always be a project thread to go along side with more detail, specs and issues we come across. On the story you’ve probably seen a lot of work happening on @martin.‘s car so once that’s finished, the videos are out, I’ve redone the dci’s fuel system, replumbed and rewired the house I’ll be able to focus on getting this one up to scratch :)

Quite a few parts have already been acquired for the works so it will just come down to time after I’m stocked up
Best thing is the dish on the left bottom of the pic *lol*
Porridge! The fuel of car days.
 

Martin.

ClioSport Club Member
Follow on insta for weekly live updates of car shizzle @trackit_yt

If we are not building cars we are taking them apart. Or we're mountain biking haha!
 

GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
The build is nearly at the point of starting full steam ahead now. Both the Cup and Black Gold have remained static for months, however, all should change in the next 6 weeks so. We've started stripping the engines so I can send a few things off for machining and blasting. So far the 23k bottom end engine is in great shape bar a couple of small bits on the crank and deck to sort.

Engine 1 - 23k bottom end
This engine is now stripped after sitting in my garage for the past two years waiting for this day. Sadly due to a small leak in the roof a bit of moisture has put a touch of surface rust on the deck and a couple of journals which were above the oil line. Thankfully the bores remain in brilliant condition so I'm confident this can be saved. The bearings were in good condition, confirming the mileage really is low, but there was a bit of scum in the bottom of the sump and on the oil pump. I did clean one piston and it came out well. The head which I bought, supposedly the matching head, is a sorry state with a huge chip on one of the journals. It really wasn't worth the £125 I gave for it. The casting is scrap but I'll salvage the lifters and valve gear from it. I'll be drilling the block for the oil drain fitting before sending it off to the machine shop, unless they can do that for me. I hope they can as a 15mm drill bit isn't cheap! The bearing colours are as follows and even though Renault only supply one size replacements it's noteworthy that there is some minor difference between the journals. When my measuring gear arrives I'll check it out properly.

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Engine 2 160k+ - This it the one which currently sits in the cup. It's done 160k+ and runs amazingly well. Yes it drinks oil because the seals are shot but I'm hoping the head is in good condition given it's thorough service history. I'll strip this when the Cup is finally killed.

Engine 3 100k+ - From the Black Gold base car. It ran, just...and sounded like it had low compression when it did it last revolutions. Sadly I didn't get a video but it stank of fumes and struggled to start. I anticipate the cambelt has slipped and the valves have met the head and know the previous owner did the cambelt themselves shortly before it went Pete Tong. Fingers crossed for a salvageable head.

In case you haven't guessed by now, my biggest hurdle is to find a good condition 182 head. When I find one it will receive new valve guides, lapped valves, new valve seals and 197 valve springs. I am trying to source decent OEM cams as the cup has 438s in.

I now have a massive parts collection for the turbo build. Bar a couple of tiny bits It's all ready to go full steam ahead. Everything is meticulously stored and photographed so I know how it goes back together.

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One thing can't be underestimated on this build, the time commitment. I am already really looking forward to when this is done and finished because at this point I'm dreading the huge amount of work ahead. The evenings and weekends are short and with time so valuable I truly question whether this is what I want to be doing with it. I'm sure I'll be pleased with the result but I can't hide the desire to get this started, and then finished. When it's done the car needs to be impeccably clean and well presented. This is a dream I've always had and never accomplished. Having worked on Marts car it makes spanning a lot more pleasurable. Almost everything will be refurbished/painted before going back on.

Recommendations for good machine shops, vapour blasters, zinc and powder coaters in the South East please as I'll be needing the lot!

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GrahamS

ClioSport Club Member
Sadly this project is going to take a huge U-Turn...of sorts. I'd been felling very unmotivated about it for quite some time due to the time requirement and vast expense of the plans. Work is significantly more demanding than at the inception of this plan and on the rare occasion I have free time, motivation to go into the garage and lay on the floor under a car is very low. I'm getting old now and sadly have priorities ahead of the Clio! I have seriously contemplated selling all my car parts but had passed the point of no return so the change of plans aren't quite that extreme.

This weekend I thought it was about time to get the ball rolling though. Over summer I built a beastly workbench to facilitate tinkering in the garage so set about fitting the stainless top.
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Once that was finished I jacked up the back of the car to inspect the sills properly. Sadly this is where it all went downhill. The O/S had non factory seal sealer on which was hiding a big line of rust where the 1/4 has been replaced previously. In the first pic you might just be able to see where I've been able to stick a screwdriver through the sill. On the inner 1/4 you can see where it's been hit. Admittedly it's not the worst rust you've ever seen but when taking into account getting the cage welded in, painting the interior and all the extra work to get the shell to the same place my cup is, not only is is a big expense but the shell isn't structurally in any better condition that what I've already got. I think you can see where this is going....

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I'm keeping the cup and getting rid of the BG as soon as possible. I'm planning on removing the looms as I want the ABS from it, will salvage the rear beam, windscreen and flog off the body kit. Plans for the engine build are the same as they were but I will be saving a lot of money by painting things with a brush instead of the full OCD I had planned with blasting and powdercoating a lot of bits. It won't be mega OCD like I had wanted but it will still be better than most cars in the engine department. This build is already costing a fortune and at this point unneeded expense makes my brain go into meltdown. Lets not beat about the bush, if I carried on at the current pace this engine rebuild, turbo conversion and tarting up would be north of £5,000, that's excluding all of the existing suspension, cage, seats etc. Even for the most seasoned of car enthusiasts at some point that kind of build hits home.

Moving on from the shell and looking at the engines. We took apart the engine from the BG to find some really weird damage. The second piston had eaten itself. The timing hadn't slipped and although it looks like the tip of the sparkplug may have come off in the past the engine has clearly got crazy hot. Oil was cooked to the head. The piston had got so how the side has deformed. The crank was all OK and within spec but not as good as the first one I measured a few weeks ago. The head was mullered though so I'm going to look at a good one next weekend which should complete the engine build list and a few bits can go off for machining. The dephaser is brand new so I'm nabbing that for the new one. We think the injector had gone on the culprit cylinder.

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That's it for now. Sorry to those that were excited for the BG being done. The engine and choo choo at the end will be worth it. In the long run I may get the bodywork done on the cup but it's a long way down the road. In the mean time I want to get out on track instead of stuck in the garage. Expect a lot of progress over the next 2 months.

G
 

gez 172

ClioSport Club Member
  R.S 200
I genuinely don’t blame you - especially with the amount of time the DCi has consumed from you.

I’ve gotten to that stage in life that I get no satisfaction from even swapping over suspension etc anymore. I’ve lost all enthusiasm to bother modifying cars.


I get bursts of enthusiasm and then it disappears as soon as the plans start to get in motion lol.

Im looking forward to seeing the Cup make a return now 😎 just keep it simple and enjoy it. Once you go OCD, you won’t want to abuse it on track.
 
  MR2 Mk3 / Giulietta
I know the feeling @GrahamS , I remember chatting to you on Messenger when I broke my 172, life gets in the way and especially when you own a property other things take priority.

I have had a lot more fun with the £1k MR2, relatively standard and just general upkeep rather than the worry of £5-6k of parts just... sat there.

The time of year doesnt help either. Regroup and see what you think when its lighter and drier/warmer.

Workbench is a beast btw.
 

Archtects

ClioSport Club Member
  Megane 250 cup
Sadly this project is going to take a huge U-Turn...of sorts. I'd been felling very unmotivated about it for quite some time due to the time requirement and vast expense of the plans. Work is significantly more demanding than at the inception of this plan and on the rare occasion I have free time, motivation to go into the garage and lay on the floor under a car is very low. I'm getting old now and sadly have priorities ahead of the Clio! I have seriously contemplated selling all my car parts but had passed the point of no return so the change of plans aren't quite that extreme.

This weekend I thought it was about time to get the ball rolling though. Over summer I built a beastly workbench to facilitate tinkering in the garage so set about fitting the stainless top.
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Once that was finished I jacked up the back of the car to inspect the sills properly. Sadly this is where it all went downhill. The O/S had non factory seal sealer on which was hiding a big line of rust where the 1/4 has been replaced previously. In the first pic you might just be able to see where I've been able to stick a screwdriver through the sill. On the inner 1/4 you can see where it's been hit. Admittedly it's not the worst rust you've ever seen but when taking into account getting the cage welded in, painting the interior and all the extra work to get the shell to the same place my cup is, not only is is a big expense but the shell isn't structurally in any better condition that what I've already got. I think you can see where this is going....

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I'm keeping the cup and getting rid of the BG as soon as possible. I'm planning on removing the looms as I want the ABS from it, will salvage the rear beam, windscreen and flog off the body kit. Plans for the engine build are the same as they were but I will be saving a lot of money by painting things with a brush instead of the full OCD I had planned with blasting and powdercoating a lot of bits. It won't be mega OCD like I had wanted but it will still be better than most cars in the engine department. This build is already costing a fortune and at this point unneeded expense makes my brain go into meltdown. Lets not beat about the bush, if I carried on at the current pace this engine rebuild, turbo conversion and tarting up would be north of £5,000, that's excluding all of the existing suspension, cage, seats etc. Even for the most seasoned of car enthusiasts at some point that kind of build hits home.

Moving on from the shell and looking at the engines. We took apart the engine from the BG to find some really weird damage. The second piston had eaten itself. The timing hadn't slipped and although it looks like the tip of the sparkplug may have come off in the past the engine has clearly got crazy hot. Oil was cooked to the head. The piston had got so how the side has deformed. The crank was all OK and within spec but not as good as the first one I measured a few weeks ago. The head was mullered though so I'm going to look at a good one next weekend which should complete the engine build list and a few bits can go off for machining. The dephaser is brand new so I'm nabbing that for the new one. We think the injector had gone on the culprit cylinder.

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That's it for now. Sorry to those that were excited for the BG being done. The engine and choo choo at the end will be worth it. In the long run I may get the bodywork done on the cup but it's a long way down the road. In the mean time I want to get out on track instead of stuck in the garage. Expect a lot of progress over the next 2 months.

G
Ahhh noo. I'm sorry dude I anyways wondered why there was silicon seal under the jack points. I intend to scrap it out at 110k and do some welding and repair work on it. I had no idea the rear quarter had been completely replaced. I'd always assumed it been hit, because the paint was slightly off :/. That sucks.

What happened to the engine then? Faulty injector? The cambelt, pully and water pump are all brand new was done by specialist down in Dartford.

Damn was looking forward to seeing my little car running round again. Oh well, it had a rough life before me, was at the end of its life when I brought it. Alot if bodged crap I sorted, like an halfruads air filter hanging on with duck tape and a manifold that looked like it spent a few years on a battle field, the list really does go on too. Clearly was longer than I anticipated.

Some how I managed to squeeze 5 more years out of that engine. Loved that little car 😂.
 
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Archtects

ClioSport Club Member
  Megane 250 cup
Also I'm surprised the engine held out as long as it did. The first oil change I did it came out like treacle, even after I'd warmed the engine up a bit, should have seen the sparkplugs more black than anything else.
 


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