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interesting argument. (can of worms)

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rory182 said:
David get yourself onto 205gtidrivers.com forum for hints and tips, common faults etc
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Ah! thanks very much! will need to get the car first then see whats up with it. one fault i have been made aware of is that it hasnt got any front seats:-/ no matter! an item that regularly appears on ebay! get it cleaned off then see what needs done.
 
Usual stuff is the rear beam and obviously headgasket and cambelt then ruuuust. Lol interior is cheap to buy, I prefer the black and red check to the grey.
 
I've never driven either car. But I can honestly say that stood in front of two perfect examples - I'd be drawn towards the Pug 205 first. I'd want to know what the fuss was about and whether or not driving it would put a smile on my face.

I suspect that the RS200 (while being a very capable car) is simply an evolution of my 182. Both in terms of build quality and dynamics.

The bigger question for me is the increasing green view of engines and the common use of turbos and superchargers in mere mainstream cars. Marry that with larger number of 'intelligent' semi-auto 'boxes filtering down and before you know it, the next Corsa will have an 840cc 2 cylinder quad turbo engine, mated to a 14-speed auto 'box. You'll get 72mpg and the same amount of CO2 as produced by a flatuent woodlice. But will it be 'fun' to drive? We'll look back on the era of Type-R engines pushing out circa 200gs/km of carbon and be truly horrified. Well, the majority of us will be - the minority that are into cars and driving probably won't. Hence why I think genuine, well-cared for examples of classics will only start to rise in value over the next 5 to 10 years.

D.
 
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Christopher said:
I swear you don't actually like cars. I'm f*cking convinced.
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He only likes cars that either himself or one his bummers own. Proven time and time again. He even starts liking cars he previously hated when one of his bummers buys one. That's my perception at least.
 
Roy Munson said:
He only likes cars that either himself or one his bummers own. Proven time and time again. He even starts liking cars he previously hated when one of his bummers buys one. That's my perception at least.
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Your perception is wrong.
 
What do you care anyway? I've changed my mind on a car, what, twice, and guess what, i still wouldn't buy either.

Calm down lassie!
 
Yeah I saw that 1. A tad overpriced I'd say unless you absolutely have to have the lowest millage 1. Red isn't many peoples favourites either. The 2 on page 1 on pistonheads are better and cheaper.
 
Gorms said:
Yeah because you see shed loads of 20+ year old french cars in the road now??? get real they are all broken or rusted to pieces. As for character and being RAW!!! from what i can remember of my mates it was noisy, tail happy and put me in hospital after he drove into a wall.
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there are loads about, i have 3 at the moment! as for the tail happy, thats what happens when you dont have ESP/ABS/PAS to nanny you, sounds like your mate ran out of talent and was driving beyond his means, surely not the cars fault?!?!.....

i'm not saying new cars are crap, just saying dont knock an old french hot hatch until you have owned one. i've driven most cars in my time, but which one do i own ;)
 
Comment about 5 turbo's is exactly the moronic opinion I'd expect from a man who spent money on the worst variant of the MK2 RS Clio's. I grew up in the era where all my mates were running a 205 GTi, Escort RS Turbo or R5 GT Turbo. I had a 5 turbo and drove several 205's mates owned, while I enjoyed the drive at the time I suspect stepping back in one now it would feel a bit agricultural compared to modern equivalents. All the Ford lads used to bang on about French tat and ironically it was the Escorts that were forever breaking down or off the road. Mate of mine still has a 205 and it constantly needs bits replacing on it despite him perpetually renewing stuff. It's the automotive equivalent of the forth bridge and will never reach a point where it can be left without attention.

The comparison is dumb as has already been pointed out by others, same as trying to compare Schumacher to Senna to Fangio. The cars are from different era's, have different strengths and are built to differing standards and requirements so a comparison is pointless.
 
Turkish said:
Comment about 5 turbo's is exactly the moronic opinion I'd expect from a man who spent money on the worst variant of the MK2 RS Clio's. I grew up in the era where all my mates were running a 205 GTi, Escort RS Turbo or R5 GT Turbo. I had a 5 turbo and drove several 205's mates owned, while I enjoyed the drive at the time I suspect stepping back in one now it would feel a bit agricultural compared to modern equivalents. All the Ford lads used to bang on about French tat and ironically it was the Escorts that were forever breaking down or off the road. Mate of mine still has a 205 and it constantly needs bits replacing on it despite him perpetually renewing stuff. It's the automotive equivalent of the forth bridge and will never reach a point where it can be left without attention.

The comparison is dumb as has already been pointed out by others, same as trying to compare Schumacher to Senna to Fangio. The cars are from different era's, have different strengths and are built to differing standards and requirements so a comparison is pointless.
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Flol so your saying a standard r5 handles well? Give your head a shake they were terrible by any sort of sporting standards hence why all have updated suspension. And your points about reliability are even more so on an r5 as with all old turbos.

As for the the point of the thread it's a valid argument, there's just a lot of things that you have to disgard and tolerate for which your too simple to do obviously.
 
I'd take "too simple" accusations from someone who can actually construct a sentence beyond the capability of an 8 year old who's in the remedial set for English. As you don't fit into that criteria I'll disregard it.

I had my 5 Turbo for almost 3 years and it's was perfectly reliable, never broke down, always started without issue and did not have a turbo or head gasket or any of the other pub talk bullshit "weak link" parts replaced. Issues were perpetuated by cretins who either never owned one or had one that was totally fucked, was never serviced and that some moron had fitted a bleed valve to and wound the boost right out and always thrashed from cold and never idled after a hard run. There are several of the lads on here who've had them in the past and had similarly spot on reliability from them, along with a few of my mates who had them at the time I owned mine.
 
personally, id disregard the 205 and get a 309..

driven quite a few 205s in my time, and rs tubs, xr2/3 and i's, surprised noones mentioned the talbot sunbeam yet either, ok the 1.6 ti's werent overly quick, but sooooo much fun. and when a 2.0 crapi lump up front could be a real handful.....or the lotus engine. cars around at the time.

new cars really dont do anything for me unless you can turn all the aids shite off and drive it without a computer trying to override what your doing.
 
Well you could say exactly the same about a 205 then moron. Your argument is poor hence the reason you had to make it personal to make yourself feel better. Go look in the mirror and tell yourself 'your the man'
 
Turkish said:
Sunbeams were thin on the ground even back then, plus you've got a few years on most of the people contributing to this thread ;)
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so that would make my opinion better than everybody elses??? ;)


out of the 205, 309 gti, golf gti, all the ford xr/rs models, the sunbeams, the allegro equipe that iv either owned or driven, and the new-er reno sport range 172/182/197/200/r26 etc ......

the keys id be picking up......would be the williams ;)
 
2 live said:
so that would make my opinion better than everybody elses??? ;)


out of the 205, 309 gti, golf gti, all the ford xr/rs models, the sunbeams, the allegro equipe that iv either owned or driven, and the new-er reno sport range 172/182/197/200/r26 etc ......

the keys id be picking up......would be the williams ;)
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As you own one that goes without saying. ;)

Oddly enough your comment about the 309 is one that a fair few 205 owners I know had made as well, I never drove one to make a comparison though. Nowhere near as many 309's about back then and as for now I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a 309 on the road.
 
Was suprised by the useful input by 2 live. True say, the 309 is often regarded the discerning choice.

Didn't take long before the W word came into action though !
 
the 309 was a much more refined place to be. handled better, was just as quick , give or take a few tenths to 60 etc. nothing youd really notice. roomier, comfier, an all round quicker a-b back road weapon.

and i dont own A williams....i have 2.....;) i own the williams'es above all the other cars mentioned, and for good reason.

another classic hot hatch not mentioned around at the slightly later times, the uno turbo. driven both the 1300 and 1400 cc models.....what a load of shite lol. great straight line weapons....and thats it.
 
A lad in my street had a brand new mk2 UNO turbo in a dark red when I was at school used to think it looked cool. There was also a luminus green r5 turbo which was hideous. Lol I think the 205 is a better looking motor than the 309 hence more success.
 
gally said:
I'd say a Trophy was more compariable.

Sounds like a 'tards arguement. 200 vs Williams anyone.

I'm bored already.
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Look in the latest evo, buyers guide for 182, in the blurb about the trophy they say that the guy who developed the trophy kept a 205 gti in the garage & based everything he did for the trophy trying to emulate the essence of the pug ;)
 
205 1.9 gti over anything, ever.

oh, and anyone that says the 1.6 handled better is on drugs, it just had less power, nothing else. Really didn't like the 1.6 for having to rape the engine to make it go anywhere
 
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309 wasn't even meant to be a peugeot. Last minute badge engineering. Its a Talbot

I'd still have a goodwood though
 
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the two cars can be compared, but you will never be able to say one is better. Because the people that say the 200 trumps it in everything are wrong!!

its like comparing having a stripped out car, vs standard interior!

IMO, over the years hot hatches have got safer, fatter and less exciting. Yes theyre plumbed with more power to make them faster in the straights, but lugging all that weight around a bend, in your lovely comfy seat, with A/C on and listening to the radio (no exhaust note) has to take the thrill out of driving for me!

On top of that, if i was sat in a £10,000 car that needs to go back to renault to have breakages sorted out (costing a bomb) it would completely put me off driving it hard!

For me, its all about bucket seats, harnesses, a beautifully loud engine/exhaust note, throwing it into the bends and really feeling the feedback from the stiff suspension until something brakes. Then you wheel it back into your garage and strip things down to repair it! That is, to me, what being a petrol head is all about!
 
sideways danny said:
309 wasn't even meant to be a peugeot. Last minute badge engineering. Its a Talbot

I'd still have a goodwood though
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It still used essentially the same floorpan though and part of the PSA group so whats your point?
309/205 were great but I'd still have a Citroen ZX over one although I guess thats another evolution of the same thing and there for a bit newer like the 306.
 
Turkish said:
I'd take "too simple" accusations from someone who can actually construct a sentence beyond the capability of an 8 year old who's in the remedial set for English. As you don't fit into that criteria I'll disregard it.

I had my 5 Turbo for almost 3 years and it's was perfectly reliable, never broke down, always started without issue and did not have a turbo or head gasket or any of the other pub talk bullshit "weak link" parts replaced. Issues were perpetuated by cretins who either never owned one or had one that was totally fucked, was never serviced and that some moron had fitted a bleed valve to and wound the boost right out and always thrashed from cold and never idled after a hard run. There are several of the lads on here who've had them in the past and had similarly spot on reliability from them, along with a few of my mates who had them at the time I owned mine.
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too true! my raider was my daily drive, did 10k in a year and not once did it break down, yes it had wear and tear parts like brakes and tyres but not once did it let me down, and as for handling, with a set of 13" yokohama AO38r's on it it would drive rings around my mates ph1 172 on gaz.... sold the car in the end for a massive profit hence why i now have a clio....
 
Struggler said:
For me, its all about bucket seats, harnesses, a beautifully loud engine/exhaust note, throwing it into the bends and really feeling the feedback from the stiff suspension until something brakes. Then you wheel it back into your garage and strip things down to repair it! That is, to me, what being a petrol head is all about!
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amen!
 
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