is 182 Cup susp. same as 172 Cup susp

[zoog]

I expect this has been done before so apologies in advance, but I d like a definitive answer. I assume they simply lift the 172Cup sups. bits and put them on the 182?

 

[Tom]

No its a completely diffrent setup

 

[Dansta]

^^^ yup

 

[TheRoninV6]

whats different about it then?????

 

[sjd172]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004

No its a completely diffrent setup

Why is it called the cup suspension then???

 

[geordieclio]

u can get an extra on 182 called cup suspension

 

[jon_r]

Quote: Originally posted by sjd172 on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004

No its a completely diffrent setup

Why is it called the cup suspension then???



*whispers* to cash in on the name

 

[dk]

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by sjd172 on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004

No its a completely diffrent setup

Why is it called the cup suspension then???




*whispers* to cash in on the name

think it is derived from the Clio Cup Race Series cars as the 172 Cup would have been and also borrowed the name from!

 

[Tom]

jesus! whats the point in answering questions.

regardless of what it is called its not the same.

 

[jon_r]

Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by sjd172 on 18 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004

No its a completely diffrent setup

Why is it called the cup suspension then???




*whispers* to cash in on the name

think it is derived from the Clio Cup Race Series cars as the 172 Cup would have been and also borrowed the name from!



err exactly. to cash in on the name.

 

[dk]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004


jesus! whats the point in answering questions.

regardless of what it is called its not the same.

u sure tom?

*edit*

Sorry for any offence made, none was meant.

 

[black-cat]

Hasnt the 182 got the same wheelbase as the cup race-cars, while the wheelbase on the "old" cup and all 172s is slightly shorter? If this is so then the entire geometry will be completely different as Tom said.

 

[Tom]

yup the changes to the 182 (without the "cup" suspension) are a development of the cup racer chassis.

the "cup" option increases the damper rates and stiffens the springs.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004

No its a completely diffrent setup

Not "completely" different, but yes it is different...

 

[black-cat]

Does anyone know if the group N "cup" (or 172 or whatever they call it) has the 182, 172 or cup suspension setup. It probably wont have the race-car setup as they could never get that through homologation.

Also, how much do the group N rally cars go for? The cup race cars are about £17,000 arent they.

 

[Tom]

Rich:

Ok new dampers, hubs, springs, rear arms, anti roll bars.

Oh how bizzare thats all the suspension components.

http://i.esato.com/board/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

 

[geordieclio]

tom how do you know so much?

 

[Tom]

i read the press releases properly.

 

[jon_r]

he doesnt get out much

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 18 March 2004



i read the press releases properly.

Link please...

 

[Tom]

http://forum.cliosport.net/search_form.asp?ReturnPage=Thread&ForumID=2&TopicID=75878&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1http://forum.cliosport.net/search_form.asp?ReturnPage=Thread&ForumID=2&TopicID=75878&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1

 

[Rich-D]

Ta

(goes off to read info...)

 

[Rich-D]

Hmmm...

182 Press Release:

"The new Clio Renaultsport 182 also offers the options of a Cup chassis upgrade and a Cup spoiler pack. The Cup chassis option, costing £200, adds Michelin Exalto 2 tyres with stiffer sidewalls, a 3mm lower ride height, stiffer springs and dampers and new steering geometry plus Anthracite colour wheels.

The front track is 20mm wider and the rear track is 10mm wider improving the cars’ stance on the road and improving the road holding. With higher spring rates at the front, the Cup suspension is firmer and provides more responsive behaviour. These modifications are complemented by the adoption of tyres of an extra-stiff structure. Steering response is thus more direct, with a more incisive front suspension. Also enhancing driving efficiency are the flexible lower leaf of the front bumper, and the larger rear hatch-mounted spoiler, providing greater downforce and aerodynamic refinement."



Compared to the Cup:


Suspension lowered by 3mm
Higher front spring rates
Firmer ride
Front track 20mm wider
Rear track 10mm wider
Front castor increased by 3
Tyres have stiffer sidewalls
Enlarged rear hatch spoiler
(Renaults own words)



Sounds pretty similar to me...

Ok, so some things have changed, such as the wheelsbase & front hubs, but it aint "massively" different to an original Cup that was my point.

 

[Tom]

Read the proper release.

Handy tip:

http://www.renault.com/datamedia/doc/mediarenaultcom/en/6586_Clio_Communique_Produit_GB_2412.pdfhttp://www.renault.com/datamedia/doc/mediarenaultcom/en/6586_Clio_Communique_Produit_GB_2412.pdf

I said completely. not massively.

You got anal not me.

 

[KDF]

lol.. I should have just locked this after

"No its a completely diffrent setup"

 

[Tom]

yes! bad moderator! go to your room!

 

[Dash]

So does the 182 have heavier suspension parts to those fitted on a Cup ?

 

[Tom]

 

[Rich-D]

This should probably be locked now...