teady172 - that dealers a t-wat if he wont budge on the ticket price, all dealers are open to some negotiation, they have margins in the price to do so, ie. mark the price up knowing the customer may beat them down, then the buyer walks off happy that hes got a cheaper car, everyones happy!! Theres not such a high demand for the cup that Renault dealers wont do some money off, if i were you id shop around abit.