Looking at buying a Clio 1.8 16v

[Alphaoutlaw]

Wanting to know if the capabilities of this car are as well as stated on parkers, if so that car is bluddy rapid.
and the tuning potential of such car, and how much I'd look to pay

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

7.7s 0-60
130mph
137bhp

does not seem right for insurance group 12...

 

[Bluebeard]

They're not quick mate. They were back in the day but most shopping cars can keep up with a standard one nowadays.

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

it'll be faster than what im driving now....

 

[Bluebeard]

LOL, what you got now?

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

mazda 323f
absolute brick but i love it
150,000 and still pulling the original 0-60...
but crash damage means i've got to move on
and I feel the need for a go kart instead of a family car

 

[Bluebeard]

Is that the 2.0 v6?? I used to love them, they look mean as f**k from the front!

Don't expect Mazda reliability from a Clio 16v by the way....

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

nahh it was a 1.5, i'm only a bairn.
aaye its a lovely car, i'd get a 1.8 but they're rarer to come across and not that rapid for a 1.8...

 

[cat171]

Yeah they aren't quick now, my old one was as it was on 90 odd thousand & the engine was knackered. I blew the engine up, got one on 60k fitted & it was tight as, the car was so slow, so I sold it on.

They are group 12, for a 'better one' you'll need about two grand. Also look out for 'hybrid' that's where folk fit the Willliams 2.0 to them.

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

I'd prefer something group 10 and fast but I cannot find a thing, anything you guys would recomend?

 

[cat171]

Don't worry about the group too much, some lower grouped cars cost more to insure with some companies then higher ones with others.

how old are you ? ncd ? location etc ?

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

19 and Up north
Darlington
1 years no claims, I get two in april I think

 

[cat171]

What's your budget ?

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

1000-1300

 

[cat171]

Tbh for that money, you won't really find a decent one, you might do if you look hard enough though. Most are very old now (last of the line was '96) and lots suffer from rusty arches & sills (plus other bits) What i'm saying is, you'll see more rubbish ones than you will good ones.

 

[Bluebeard]

They are about, but I reckon for every fgood one, theres 5 s**t ones. Maybe more!

I looked at about 10 before I bought mine. And mines not mint!

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

fast, cheap, reliable.
Pick two, boo.

 

[bradharding24]

A valver in original condition is as fast as any 172 / 182 / williams in road conditions or on track.

There are only fractions of a second between them all.

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

are there any floating around the forum for sale?

 

[Bluebeard]

A valver in original condition is as fast as any 172 / 182 / williams in road conditions or on track.

There are only fractions of a second between them all.

b****cks.

In my old valver I got my ass handed to me. I also smoked freebone in his valver when I had my 172.

I love valvers, but that sir is a load of baloney.

 

[Craigus]

Don't argue with him daniel, he knows his s**t,

 

[16v_paddy]

are there any floating around the forum for sale?

Probably not on here but maybe something worth having on www.clio16valver.co.uk

Admittedly they're not that fast but they're not that slow either great fun to own (when they work, they are french ) & drive as well

 

[cat171]

fast, cheap, reliable.
Pick two, boo.

Tbh they aren't fast at all, unless looked after they are not reliable. I agree with Daniel - for every one good one, you'll five heaps. I sold mine years ago & tbh even back then it was very hard to get a good one.

A valver in original condition is as fast as any 172 / 182 / williams in road conditions or on track.

There are only fractions of a second between them all.

Not in my experience, off the line against a phase 1 172 i'd be level, after 60 he'd be pulling. I had a play with a few 172's & they'd get about three car lengths in front of me.

Same for a Williams too, after about 60 they'd pull a bit. That was with my car on it knackered engine, the engine with less miles on it was too tight, the car couldn't get near anything then

 

[sideways danny]

there's been a few good valvers sold recently. Have a look on www.clio16valver.co.uk it's a better forum for mk1s these days.

 

[Craigus]

They aren't that quick from the few i have had blasts with, but they don't feel any slower when you are riding in one, think you will struggle to find a goodun for that money though

 

[Alphaoutlaw]

I need something faster than i'm in now that wont ruin me insruance wise... any idea's outside of clio's?

 

[bradharding24]

Funny how people opinion of a car is based on once racing them 'off the line' in a street race and the one time their mate saw one in a car park.

If you havnt owned one or spent considerable time with a good one then your opinion is worth next to nothing. Might as well ask an innuit what its like to live in the desert.

Comparing a 20 year old car with a 5 year old car is pointless. Compare like with like. An original condition valver, or wait until the 182's get to be 20 years old and then see how fast they are then.

 

[Bluebeard]

Funny how people opinion of a car is based on once racing them 'off the line' in street races and the one time their mate saw one.

If you havnt owned one or spent considerable time with a good one then your opinion is worth next to nothing. Might as well ask an innuit what its like to live in the desert.

I've had 3 valvers and 9 172's. Considerable enough?

 

[cat171]

Funny how people opinion of a car is based on once racing them 'off the line' in a street race and the one time their mate saw one in a car park.

If you havnt owned one or spent considerable time with a good one then your opinion is worth next to nothing. Might as well ask an innuit what its like to live in the desert.

I had the valver for about four years, ok I didn't track it, but I did a lot more than traffic light GP's. I never even mentioned them, off the line could be anywhere, I didn't say it was on the street.

 

[bradharding24]

I had the valver for about four years, ok I didn't track it, but I did a lot more than traffic light GP's. I never even mentioned them, off the line could be anywhere, I didn't say it was on the street.

What mileage was the valver on and how much did you sell it for?

Im assuming you didnt sell it for 5k and it hadnt done 5k miles?

 

[bradharding24]

I've had 3 valvers and 9 172's. Considerable enough?

Same question, what condition were the valvers in? Most are complete dogs, no wonder people 'think' they are slow. A 1200 quid valver isnt going to be in the best condition is it?

 

[cat171]

..Comparing a 20 year old car with a 5 year old car is pointless. Compare like with like. An original condition valver, or wait until the 182's get to be 20 years old and then see how fast they are then.

I think it's fair to say that 99% of valvers have had 99% of their parts replaced, so as they have new parts it's fair to compare them.

You are right it wasn't on 5k miles, it was on more than that (90k like I said) & tbh the engine in it was good until it let go, with the lower mileage one (on about 60k when it went in) it was rubbish.

I sold it for 2700 iirc which was top money back then.

 

[bradharding24]

I think it's fair to say that 99% of valvers have had 99% of their parts replaced, so as they have new parts it's fair to compare them.

You are right it wasn't on 5k miles, it was on more than that (90k like I said) & tbh the engine in it was good until it let go, with the lower mileage one (on about 60k when it went in) it was rubbish.

I sold it for 2700 iirc which was top money back then.

90k? Thats almost once round the earth, No wonder you thought it was slow.

And ill give you a tip for free. Good engines dont let go. Old knackered ones down on power do. This post just goes to prove my point. People buy a nail of a valver, then get a newish 172 and think the 172 is a better car.

 

[Bluebeard]

Same question, what condition were the valvers in? Most are complete dogs, no wonder people 'think' they are slow. A 1200 quid valver isnt going to be in the best condition is it?

So what you're saying is a 12 month old Clio 16v, when it had 5000 miles on it was comparible to a 12m old 172 with 5000 miles on it.

What a pointless argument.



*Edit* FLOL @ once around the earth!!

 

[Craigus]

Your the one who compared them in the first place.

 

[cat171]

90k? Thats almost once round the earth, No wonder you thought it was slow.

That's not what I said. I said it was better with the higher mileage engine in it. It was crap with the lower mileage one.

The engine on 90k let go as the oil pressure pump failed on it.

Lol @ it being a nail ! I had it for about three years before it went t*ts up. The car was far from a nail. It was mint.

 

[bradharding24]

So what you're saying is a 12 month old Clio 16v, when it had 5000 miles on it was comparible to a 12m old 172 with 5000 miles on it.

What a pointless argument.



*Edit* FLOL @ once around the earth!!

What im saying is you take any of the renaultsport front engine cars in their ORIGINAL CONDITION, there will be a few tenths between them.

Not forgetting that their will be slow and quick examples of each, so this is taking that into consideation too.

I dont think this is rocket science, i dont see why it is such a hard concept to grasp.

 

[bradharding24]

That's not what I said. I said it was better with the higher mileage engine in it. It was crap with the lower mileage one.

The engine on 90k let go as the oil pressure pump failed on it.

Lol @ it being a nail ! I had it for about three years before it went t*ts up. The car was far from a nail. It was mint.

Like i said, pumps would not fail on a good engine, You had a dog. No wonder it was slow. Hardly fair comparing it to a newer car is it?

If it was mint it would have won a concours award. Id say at best it was average.

People overestimating their cars worth - Brad's fourth law.

 

[sideways danny]

172s get faster with more miles, without exception. the quickest ones i've driven have all been around 100k

 

[Bluebeard]

What im saying is you take any of the renaultsport front engine cars in their ORIGINAL CONDITION, there will be a few tenths between them.

Not forgetting that their will be slow and quick examples of each, so this is taking that into consideation too.

I dont think this is rocket science, i dont see why it is such a hard concept to grasp.

And you'd be right in your assumptions.

The fact of the matter is, ANY standard valver in ''reasonable'' condition will get humped by ANY standard 172 in ''Reasonable'' condition. Today. Not 5 or 8 years ago.

All imo of course.