I really like it and I think it's a good choice, however, I can't help but feel you've moved from a flagship car to a fast "normal" car. Were you not tempted more by something with a proper badge? ?
Not sure if serious?!
I've been shamelessly wh0ring myself on here for well over a decade!
I really like it and I think it's a good choice, however, I can't help but feel you've moved from a flagship car to a fast "normal" car. Were you not tempted more by something with a proper badge? [emoji15]
I agree. M cars are generally always more than the sum of their parts tooAnd a LSD, then you are nearing used M2 prices. I known which I would rather own. Btw this isn’t a dig at the M140i, I really rate them tbh.
Good power/ torque figures Mark!
Nah, not unless those bits are going to cost about ten grand!!And a LSD, then you are nearing used M2 prices. I known which I would rather own. Btw this isn’t a dig at the M140i, I really rate them tbh.
Good power/ torque figures Mark!
Were you not tempted more by something with a proper badge? ?
That torque is crazy I have problem putting down 320 LB/FT I know the M140I is RWD but I take it you need throttle control to get traction and stop the wheels spinning .
Look forward to seeing some graphs mark, and how it treats you.
Do you have a warranty or are you not bothering?
Is this standard or with mods?
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@MarkCup - was it tricky finding a manual one over the flappy-paddle version?
Nah, not unless those bits are going to cost about ten grand!!
Ok 265 would help on that matter then but still very impressive getting that torque to the ground via 2WD
IIRC the M140i was valued/sold at 27k, you can pick up M2 for around 32k now (great time to buy atm) so 5k extra, a new LSD fitted is around £2,700, so that leaves around £2,300 without any suspension upgrades etc.
It’s also easy to overlook the BMW damping (which even on normal cars tends to be good) vs the Fiesta which is reknown for being stiff. Fine with 200hp but an extra 50% extra I can see why you’d have problems!
IIRC the M140i was valued/sold at 27k, you can pick up M2 for around 32k now (great time to buy atm) so 5k extra, a new LSD fitted is around £2,700, so that leaves around £2,300 without any suspension upgrades etc.
@MarkCup how you finding heel and toe shifts with that full/long (not sure the term) throttle pedal?
I’m disappointed there’s no new vids!
Fair play. I’m not into all this tribal bull with cars either, especially in such a crowded and competitive part of the market it comes down to what your own experience leads you to prefer at that point.
Looking forward to seeing how the not-an-Mcar-honest works out for you.
If no one had told you, would you really have noticed the pedals are offset?
Also the gear change, do you really find it vague? Yours reminded me of an E46 M3, mainly because most other fast BMWs I’ve been in are auto, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Notchy is nice!! Genuinely can’t imagine getting the wrong gear, and it’s not bolt action like an NA MX5, but there’s nothing wrong with it (unlike an NA MX5 where you could easily get reverse instead of 4th)
This has confused the f*** out of a lot of people, RS to non-M car just doesn't compute...especially when I say that it's just as enjoyable to drive as the RS ?
I would, yes! First time I depressed the clutch my foot stopped dead on the footrest, there was so little of it actually in contact with the pedal. Even now I'm constantly rethinking my foot positioning. I'm sure it'll all fall into place eventually.
As for the shift, it's acceptable but I'd have no confidence in it if I ever tried to rush a shift! Vague? Based on the amount of movement once it's in gear, yep...while in 3rd it almost moves across to the 1st and 5th positions!
It's not tight and precise like the RS was, and it's not as slick when moving between gears. In the RS shifting was actually an enjoyable experience, I can't say that about the 140.
It's not unpleasant...but it could be so much better.
This has confused the f*** out of a lot of people, RS to non-M car just doesn't compute...especially when I say that it's just as enjoyable to drive as the RS ?
I would, yes! First time I depressed the clutch my foot stopped dead on the footrest, there was so little of it actually in contact with the pedal. Even now I'm constantly rethinking my foot positioning. I'm sure it'll all fall into place eventually.
As for the shift, it's acceptable but I'd have no confidence in it if I ever tried to rush a shift! Vague? Based on the amount of movement once it's in gear, yep...while in 3rd it almost moves across to the 1st and 5th positions!
It's not tight and precise like the RS was, and it's not as slick when moving between gears. In the RS shifting was actually an enjoyable experience, I can't say that about the 140.
It's not unpleasant...but it could be so much better.
BMW manuals are shite tbh. There's a reason there are so many more auto box ones available despite the higher purchase price
So how does the straight line performance compare to the RS Mark?
I mean. It’s your opinion and your car, I just don’t get it! But then I found the Clio 172 box fine and people complain about that. If you use strict hand position discipline with shifting its a non-issue and you come across as a guy who’d have good disclipline so I guess I was just a bit surprised you found anything wrong with the shift. I certainly don’t remember the FRS being a special shift. And not having a floor hinged pedal makes it feel like a toy lol.
Maaate. Stop the hate. Nowt wrong with a BMW manual box and never has been. Other than the CDV in their older normal cars.
Don’t need to get the stopwatch out to say it’ll blow the RS away in a straight line.
Thought that's what you'd say !??
I've not driven an F80 manual, but have driven everything up to and including the E90 in a manual. Woeful compared to most things out of Japan tbhI mean. It’s your opinion and your car, I just don’t get it! But then I found the Clio 172 box fine and people complain about that. If you use strict hand position discipline with shifting its a non-issue and you come across as a guy who’d have good disclipline so I guess I was just a bit surprised you found anything wrong with the shift. I certainly don’t remember the FRS being a special shift. And not having a floor hinged pedal makes it feel like a toy lol.
Maaate. Stop the hate. Nowt wrong with a BMW manual box and never has been. Other than the CDV in their older normal cars.
Don’t need to get the stopwatch out to say it’ll blow the RS away in a straight line.
I've not driven an F80 manual, but have driven everything up to and including the E90 in a manual. Woeful compared to most things out of Japan tbh