My new racecar project (Icemans old shell)

[Russ Rallye]

Thought about getting it ceramic coated Dave, chances are I'll probably do it when my other engine is ready. We'll see how hot it gets, ran it up to temp yesterday hence its gone gold. Also moved the coolant bottle over to where the pas reservoir normally sits. I'm going to shroud the brake reservoir more and run a new heat shielded line to the catch tank.

I think it's a little more raspy compared to with the 182 manifold fitted. Not sure if it's any louder, we'll find out at the first test, pms system before without cat or silencer was always 99/100db static.
Russ

 

[EVOgone]

Very interested to see if this manifold offers any benefit vs a 182 manifold once dynod.

 

[TarkMalbot]

Do you usually run without a cat? I have the PMS system with no cat but was thinking I would need one for racing?

 

[Russ Rallye]

Very interested to see if this manifold offers any benefit vs a 182 manifold once dynod.

Will keep you updated Steve, it's going back on the same dyno it was mapped on originally at TDi in the next couple of weeks so I'll get a rough idea if there's any difference. Nick from pure reckons it will be better than a 172/182 manifold on any engine spec but it's obvioudly optimised for use with wilder cams etc.

Mark, obviously if you read the msa blue book every car after 2000 must run a cat, although they don't say if it has to work or give any specific emissions standards so how they police it is beyond me short of physically looking to see if there is one present, I have never been checked in 3 race series with 4 cars and neither had any other racer I know + my 172/182 mongrel was built in 1999 if anyone asks!:wink:
Russ

 

[dinger]

Every race car was built in 1999!

 

[neil a]

Looks good Russ , and interesting about the bearing in the shifter as mine has always been stiff since it got fitted and doesn't centralize.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Looks good Russ , and interesting about the bearing in the shifter as mine has always been stiff since it got fitted and doesn't centralize.

Definately worth a look at Neil I can pm you the link for the bearing if you want, only £6 or so, just give me a shout.
Russ

 

[Russ Rallye]

Drove it out of the garage today, first time in a couple of months.

Had a run around the block to check the gearbox etc was ok, all gears selected fine and the linkage kit/shifter is a totally different animal just a bit upset I didn't do something with it sooner as ive struggled with it for a whole season. Hopefully it'll be all good this year.

Grabbed a set of black series Powerflex rear shock top mounts this week to replace the oe mounts they're the only bush left on the whole car with any compliance left and I've been looking for a solution for ages, nearly got a set of nylon bushes machined up but seen these recently do thought I'd give them s try. Not a lot of excess movement to be prevented on that area but it keeps me happy.

My box of 'new engine' bits isn't going well, only got an exhaust manifold gasket, thermostat housing gasket, flywheel bolts and clutch bolts so far!
Russ

 

[Russ Rallye]

WTF whats going on with tapatalk, there was more text and pics uploaded and it showed ok on my phone but its missing now on the laptop and i cant edit it, why can we not edit posts ffs aaaahhhh!!!!
Russ

 

[Russ Rallye]

Anyway! Kept my ocd in check by sorting all my spares out. Boxed everything up With a list of what's in each box so should make finding parts on a race weekend a bit easier.
russ

 

[EVOgone]

On the manifold would be interesting to compare primary and secondary lengths vs the 182 manifold. Guessing the diameters are the same as the 182 is big already, especially compared to my super print on the F7R!

 

[Martin.]

Would you mind posting a picture up of the rear top mounts once you've got those Powerflex rubbers on please.

Reason I ask is because on mine, because the washer is so chunky, the damper thread doesn't reach the nyloc in the nut properly... So would be good to hear your thoughts.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Would you mind posting a picture up of the rear top mounts once you've got those Powerflex rubbers on please.

Reason I ask is because on mine, because the washer is so chunky, the damper thread doesn't reach the nyloc in the nut properly... So would be good to hear your thoughts.

Nipped mine up so the top of the shaft is flush with the top of the nut but yeah know what you mean. I'll get a pic.
Russ

 

[Russ Rallye]

@Martin

 

[Tony Hunter]

Russ, is there a part # on that packet/box.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Russ, is there a part # on that packet/box.

Box is in the bin tony, just got them off ebay, part no is PFR60-311BLK
Russ

 

[Martin.]

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Cheers man. Looks the same as mine. Which is a reassuring, was originally worried something with my setup wasn't quite right.

I've run mine like this for about 6 months now and not had any problems...

Are you happy with how it is on yours, will you be leaving as is now or changing it? If you're happy with it then it gives me more confidence to be happy to leave mine as is too :smile:

 

[Tony Hunter]

Box is in the bin tony, just got them off ebay, part no is PFR60-311BLK
Russ

Thanks Russ.:up:

 

[sonny172cup]

Iv had these for a while now, Ktec been selling them for about 6 months iirc.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Iv had these for a while now, Ktec been selling them for about 6 months iirc.

Could of told me!
Russ

 

[NorthloopCup]

Could of told me!
Russ

I also had some sets made up in nylon ages ago! Lol!

 

[Russ Rallye]

I also had some sets made up in nylon ages ago! Lol!

lol like I said it was always on my list to sort out, just never gave my mate the details to mill some out.
Russ

 

[sonny172cup]

Didnt realise you was after some, got them one i did my suspension refresh mid season.

 

[dinger]

Mine have sat in my spares box for 6 months. Might fit them for this year, lol
Assumption being the mother of all f##k ups and all that

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just got mine from euro car parts

 

[Apg100]

I would like to try one as I have heard great things about them once they are set up right. It's the price and awkward setup that's putting me off jumping in.

Might be a late opinion on this, but I've put the PMS shifter in, and don't really like it. The position is okay, but I find it difficult to find all the gears. Probably needs a tweak on the set up, but my first outing I wasn't that impressed.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I'm still not a fan, never have been.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Might be a late opinion on this, but I've put the PMS shifter in, and don't really like it. The position is okay, but I find it difficult to find all the gears. Probably needs a tweak on the set up, but my first outing I wasn't that impressed.

Yeah that's the worst thing, can be difficult to tell where certain gears are. Mine is night and day now compared to how it was before I changed the bearing, there's less resistance so means you can feel your way around the gate unlike before where every movement was stiff and notchy.
Russ

 

[Russ Rallye]

+ after having it in bits a lot I reckon there's only one position where you can get all gears and it doesn't hit anything so if thats the case then I think that's it, all setup.
Russ

 

[EVOgone]

When you off to the rollers?

 

[TarkMalbot]

Maybe worth trying the scenic mod instead?

 

[Russ Rallye]

When you off to the rollers?

Booked in with Paul at TDi North for week commencing 2nd March.
Russ

 

[Apg100]

Yeah that's the worst thing, can be difficult to tell where certain gears are. Mine is night and day now compared to how it was before I changed the bearing, there's less resistance so means you can feel your way around the gate unlike before where every movement was stiff and notchy.
Russ

Some help with that would be much appreciated at the Launch day, if there's a chance

 

[Russ Rallye]

Some help with that would be much appreciated at the Launch day, if there's a chance

More to the point 'if' there is a launch day!
Russ

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Some help with that would be much appreciated at the Launch day, if there's a chance

Get on your back and tweak it! It's not hard just a ball ache and it didn't help I did mine outside in torrential rain. I've put a couple of posts up on how I set mine, you could probably find them with a quick search.

 

[Russ Rallye]

Not a lot happening but if you've been paying attention you may have noticed that I've sold all my honda shell and parts, just waiting for the roll cage to be collected. I just haven't got the time or money to build another high spec race car at the minute + I think I should really be developing the clio some more so I can compete with the Hondas and ex touring cars in other series.

I do have a couple of other things on the go too which doesn't help first one is a sprinter that's going to be the new race weekend transport and accommodation. It's currently being prepped for some bodywork and I have a garage full of new bits ready to bolts on.

New tinted side windows

Loads of bits to freshen it up, some alloys, new original lights, bumper and trim bits need to get an awning ready for the start of the season but the interior conversion will get done through the season when I have time/money.

Also going to pick a nice clio up tomorrow for a fast road car.

As far as the race car is concerned ive been gathering bits to alter the catch tank breather to move it away from the new exhaust manifold.

The breather plate is going to have a male fitting welded on the top and the oe outlet cut back and welded up.

Got the relevant adapter for the catch tank

And made a new hose up with x2 90 degree alloy bends.

All sorted, just needed those bits welded now.
Russ

 

[NorthloopCup]

Just my opinion Russ, but your gonna need a lot of horsepower and potentially a lot more suspension work to keep up with the Hondas/ex touring cars.
I'm sure your all to aware of this though already mate. I'm all in favour of taking the fight to the big boys though! Let me know if I can be of assistance with anything.

 

[Russ Rallye]

The extra horse power is on the cards mark don't worry, but the ex prod btcc cars aren't all that much faster, it's the Hondas that are the problem hence why I was building the civic, they make a lot of power easily and they've got a lot more mechanical grip. The clio is a lot lighter though!
Russ

 

[NorthloopCup]

The extra horse power is on the cards mark don't worry, but the ex prod btcc cars aren't all that much faster, it's the Hondas that are the problem hence why I was building the civic, they make a lot of power easily and they've got a lot more mechanical grip. The clio is a lot lighter though!
Russ

Yeah I know mate, but I think your going to need 260+ for a fighting chance personally. Agree with the mechanical grip as well. A proper sorted lightweight 197 is the way forward imo. The chassis is more than good enough to compete with the Hondas

 

[Russ Rallye]

Yeah I know mate, but I think your going to need 260+ for a fighting chance personally. Agree with the mechanical grip as well. A proper sorted lightweight 197 is the way forward imo. The chassis is more than good enough to compete with the Hondas

I'll be a bit off 260bhp I'm afraid, I think getting a reliable f4r to do those kind of numbers would make my eyes water in terms of money! It's new crank and solid lifter territory and I could never justify that.
Yeah I agree with the 197, ive raced Kevs Tricolore 200 at donington in tintops and its good fun but slow in a straight line needs a lot more power and I think you'll struggle to get it to a sensible kerb weight as the shell and running gear are so much heavier than in a 172/182.
Russ