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Nano sealants



I'm trying to decide between 2 nano sealants after I correct the paint on my RB next year, as tbh I can't be bothered to top up waxes etc and quite like the idea of 1 year plus of protection

The 2 I've narrowed it down to are:

Cquartz UK Edition with Reload for top ups once a month

or

Wolfs Chemicals Hard Body with Wolf's Nano QD for top ups

Has anyone any experience of these? What are they like in the real world? Do they really offer over a year of protection til another coat is required? I'm not too bothered on gloss/looks as otherwise I'd be using a nice wax but which looks better and enhances the colour from those that have seen both?

Hoping someone can assist :)

Cheers, Jon
 

MatthewR

ClioSport Club Member
I had wolfs on my car for about 8 months. The beading faded at about 5 months but the sheeting and protection was still there
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
I'm not a fan of the Wolfs stuff per se. Also do you know they are two different types of sealant?

The Cquart stuff is a ceramic sealant. Protects against swirls and will last a lot longer than the wolfs. Think of it like a second lacquer that beads and sheets water for over 12 months.

I highly recommend it mate especially after correction work.
 

MatthewR

ClioSport Club Member
I'm not a fan of the Wolfs stuff per se. Also do you know they are two different types of sealant?

The Cquart stuff is a ceramic sealant. Protects against swirls and will last a lot longer than the wolfs. Think of it like a second lacquer that beads and sheets water for over 12 months.

I highly recommend it mate especially after correction work.

I thought that the new wolfs was heading more to a ceramic now with the scratch resistance?

Saying that ill be opting for Cquartz when I do the mothers car in spring.
 
  ITB BG 182
CQuartz with Reload anyday, I applied it to my car back in October and with 3 months worth of dirt on, it still beads in places.

Hopefully, it will get a clean this weekend!!
 
I'm not a fan of the Wolfs stuff per se. Also do you know they are two different types of sealant?

The Cquart stuff is a ceramic sealant. Protects against swirls and will last a lot longer than the wolfs. Think of it like a second lacquer that beads and sheets water for over 12 months.

I highly recommend it mate especially after correction work.

Gally, I was unaware they were different types! I thought that HB was also a ceramic sealant, i.e with the scratch resistance it claims.

I feel I may be heading towards the Cquartz with claims like that. Can it be used on plastics as well or is it formulated for just paint? Was thinking of putting some on the headlights/trims as well if that was possible.

Is there advantages to ''layering'' so to speak, will 2 coats be more effective than 1 if I apply them 24 hours apart from each other or will this not add to it?

CQuartz with Reload anyday, I applied it to my car back in October and with 3 months worth of dirt on, it still beads in places.

Hopefully, it will get a clean this weekend!!

This is what I want! 3 monthly wash is essentially what I'll be doing so this sounds like my kind of thing ;)
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Sorry mate missed that.

No layering but prep has to be 100% spot on!

Yeah fire it on the plastics. I would personally use their dlux product on the trims but the normal one will work.

Do you have twitter?
 
  ITB BG 182
Gally, I was unaware they were different types! I thought that HB was also a ceramic sealant, i.e with the scratch resistance it claims.

I feel I may be heading towards the Cquartz with claims like that. Can it be used on plastics as well or is it formulated for just paint? Was thinking of putting some on the headlights/trims as well if that was possible.

Is there advantages to ''layering'' so to speak, will 2 coats be more effective than 1 if I apply them 24 hours apart from each other or will this not add to it?



This is what I want! 3 monthly wash is essentially what I'll be doing so this sounds like my kind of thing ;)

I should be cleaning the car tomorrow if i can get it close enough to the house, I will try an get a before and after picture for you to show how it goes.
 
Sorry mate missed that.

No layering but prep has to be 100% spot on!

Yeah fire it on the plastics. I would personally use their dlux product on the trims but the normal one will work.

Do you have twitter?

Ok I've just purchased some Carpro Eraser to use prior to sealing so I assume this will be just as good as IPA?

As far as the plastics go I was thinking of Gtechniq C4 with everyone's recent successes in that department.

The list is something like this at the moment:
- Body/Paint - Cquartz UK Edition paint sealant
- Glass - Gtechniq G5 for outside, Carpro Fog Fight for inside
- Trim - Gtechniq C4 for plastics, window rubbers and door rubbers
- Interior - Gtechniq I1 SmartFabric coat
- Engine bay - 303 Aerospace protectant

No not on the Twitter scene, Facebook is confusing enough!

Is there anything I should change/missing from the above list?

Thanks for all the help so far mate. I'd be well lost otherwise!

I should be cleaning the car tomorrow if i can get it close enough to the house, I will try an get a before and after picture for you to show how it goes.

That would be brilliant mate, cheers. How long since you applied the Cquartz? And how long between washes after tomorrow? Thanks! Jon
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Eraser is better than ipa mate.

I've just text a good friend who mow runs Carpro Uk. He's going to fire over his new email to me and i'll pm you it over. He'll sort you out.

Forget the C4 mate. They've changed the formula of the Gtechniq stuff and it's simply not the product it was imo.

You want G1 not G5 mate. Again prep is key. Follow the instructions and YT vids.
 
  Not a 320d
New C1 and 1.5, if anyone is interested, isnt all that. Oldskool C1 was better. but 1.5 just doesnt retain good beadage for long.
 
Eraser is better than ipa mate.

I've just text a good friend who mow runs Carpro Uk. He's going to fire over his new email to me and i'll pm you it over. He'll sort you out.

Forget the C4 mate. They've changed the formula of the Gtechniq stuff and it's simply not the product it was imo.

You want G1 not G5 mate. Again prep is key. Follow the instructions and YT vids.

Got the email Gally, thanks for that. I'm gona send him over one now and find out a few things on the range.

I'm just a bit confused between the difference in Cquartz Dlux and the PERL? Is the Dlux more like C4 in that it creates a new layer on top of the plastics/rubbers etc and the PERL more for just a general smarten up or does it also create its own long lasting protection?

I also noticed the Flyby30 glass sealant, do you have any feedback you know of with that product or is it best to stick to G1? I couldnt find a lot in the way of reviews on Google.

Thanks again for the email. Jon
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
I can't compare it to G1 mate but Carpro are very good i'd certainly trust it if you wanted to order from the same place.

Yeah perl is a dressing mate. Dlux is the C4 equivalent but a little better imo.
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
You can never research too muchwhen it comes to detailing. Saved me £££'s over the years.
 
  ITB BG 182
Ive got a before picture but didnt get an after picture as it started to rain an iphone pics are shite....

Anyway, I applied the CQuartz back in October 2012 on a single layer then single spray of reload, used magifoam today through a HD Snowfoam lance, did other things for 10 mins or so and once it was washed off there was not alot left.

And as a newbie I can also recommend autobrites stuff, minimal amount but maximum effect with a 200:1 ratio it cleaned with much ease!
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Jon that would be grand if you could post the email possibly and the address I gave you. I'll text Andy just now.
 
Quick follow up from the email I sent. Andy just replied back this evening and his answers are very helpful and informative for someone who doesn’t know a lot about nano sealants!
He also explains it in a very easy to understand way, top!

Below is the email I sent Andy yesterday night:

Hello Andy

I was forwarded your email by a friend of your's, Gally.

I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions on some of your products and what you would recommend for my application. I'm slightly confused by a couple of things in the Carpro line up as they look like they do the same thing in some cases!

My aim is to carry out a full paint correction using a rotary, then protect the paint from swirls and damage for as long as possible. I have decided I want to use a nano sealant to protect everything as to be honest I can't be bothered to wax a car every 3 months, and would much rather pressure wash it off once a month and have it reasonably clean so I dont have to start buffing and dressing plastics etc!

Anyway, here is a list of applications I've already created, but if you had any different ideas on which products would work better then it would be great if you could set me on the right path.

- Body/Paint - Cquartz UK Edition paint sealant
- Glass - Gtechniq G1 for outside, Carpro Fog Fight for inside
- Trim - Gtechniq C4 for plastics, window rubbers and door rubbers
- Interior - Gtechniq I1 SmartFabric coat
- Wheels - Gtechniq C5 (already own)
- Engine bay - 303 Aerospace protectant

As you can see, the manufacturers vary. But as this was my first list, Gally informed me that the Gtechniq stuff isn't like it used to be. More difficult to apply and not as good protection etc. With that in mind I was going to substitute the C4 for the Cquartz DLUX, do they do the same job?

I had a look on the Carpro website and noticed the Flyby30 windscreen sealant. There doesn't seem to be many reviews, is this a new product?

Is there a nano sealant I could use on the exhaust tips to make them easier to clean?

The other thing I wanted to find out is about the PERL Coat. Is this like the 303 Aerospace protectant in that you mist it over the engine bay/dashboard/plastics & rubbers etc. and buff off to give a clean look? Or does it also add its own protection?

Also, I didn't know if I could use the product for other parts of the car, e.g. would the Cquartz UK Edition paint sealant work on headlights or plastics trims? Or would the DLUX be the only thing to use? Could DLUX be used on my Clio plastic headlights?

As far as cleaning goes, would it be best to just pressure wash with water or can I use a shampoo and mitt? I have read somewhere that shampoos can harm the nano coating and they need to be of a certain type, is this true? And after the vehicle is cleaned would I need to top up with Reload? What does Reload actually achieve?

Sorry for all the questions, I hope you can answer some of them!

Thanks, Jon


And here is the reply I got half an hour ago:

Good Evening Jon

Many thanks for your enquiry- please continue to ask as many questions as you would like!

A ceramic coating for your paintwork is definitely the way forward- the days of buffing waxes off in the cold are hopefully long gone! The coatings provide dirt resistance, easy clean and scratch resistance to a greater degree than OEM paintwork. The chemical composition of CQUK (and all good 'glass sealants') uses Silicon Dioxide (siO2) as it's main ingredient. Whilst this gives all the advantageous aforementioned properties, it actually attracts other organic compounds such as water and as a result it creates the visually appealing water beading on the paintwork surface. Unfortunately some parts of the country suffer from hard water and when these water beads dry, it can cause water-etching on the paintwork that will require a paint cleanser to remove. The use of CarPro Reload adds an additional layer to the paintwork that resists this water spotting that so many cars suffer from. It also gives an additional sacrificial layer to help safeguard your paintwork. You can use Reload to 'top up' protection on your paintwork as little or as often as you like, but every month or so is what I tend to do (takes about 10 minutes to coat a car and can applied to a washed car before it is dried to save more time!).

The product choices you mentioned look fine to me . You are quite right in suggesting that Cquartz DLUX would be an excellent alternative to C4 for trim. The DLUX would also be ideal for the front and rear light clusters as well as any rear diffuser (even works great on carbon items). The advantage DLUX has over C4 is that is contains less hardeners that make it brittle. This makes it better for surfaces that naturally flex and consequently greatly increases durability.

CarPro PERL is a water based alternative for plastic and rubber surfaces. Being water based it has a durability of little more than 3 months on plastics and 1 month on tyres, but can be diluted a varying ratios to suit the desired look (neat for plastics, 1:1 for tyres and 1:1 for engine bays is my preference). The usage of PERL in the engine bay is exactly the same as Aerospace 303- you can spray on when dry or wet and leave to dry naturally before mopping up any excess product with a microfiber cloth. PERL has more of the active ingredients contained in 303 which should see durability increased by at least 2 months. I use PERL for engine bay and tyres and DLUX for exterior plastic trim.

CarPro Fog FIght should only be used if you are suffering from a condensation build up already. It is currently changing formula to make it easier to apply, but the inside of the windscreen is always a nightmare so best to try and avoid it if possible (to avoid smearing that can be distracting).

CarPro's Fabric sealant is the alternative to I1. Durability is the trump card for CarPro's product, whilst price makes it an expensive option if using often. However, I would guess you could use just 50ml on a whole interior with enough left over for other household items!

FlyBy30 is our brand new rain repellant that is currently stuck in customs but is on its way to us. Pricing will be very competitive and whilst there are other products on the market that do similar things, the 30-40mph speed of sheeting water off the windscreen with a 12month durability are FlyBy30's main selling points. I hope to have this in stock the beginning of next week.

Thankfully CQUK doesn't care too much what shampoos you use and certainly they will not effect durability of the product. I would recommend not using a shampoo that contains added waxes or 'gloss enhancers' as they add another layer to the surface which in actual fact will be worse than the Reload so best just to use a simple shampoo. Every now and again you are quite alright to use an APC or even Fairy to remove any surface polymers that may be adhering to the coating from rogue shampoos/foams etc.

I am currently using Bilt Hamber's Autofoam and find I can get the car 95% clean with just a foam and a jet wash!

I hope that wasn't information overload, but if you would like any more on the products- please ask!


Andy
CaProUK


Hope this is useful to everyone. I haven’t changed the emails in the slightest, they are ‘as is’ with all my stupid questions!

I am going to reply tomorrow hopefully with a final list of products. I noticed he didn’t answer the one about the exhaust tips, so that will be in the email as well!

Jon
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
I do love the lad. He's a very nice chap.

Hope that helped you mate. He did laugh at the email. I think he's used to the 1 line question ones! He likes a challenge anyway.

You can use CQUK on your wheels also but I would probably go with C5 on the wheels and exhaust as you already have it. I had C5 on my Frp one until I sold it. It was the old style C5 but still it worked superbly. I'm sure Andy will confirm.

If not i'm sure a little coat of CQUK might be worth a try. For all you use. 1 drop per pipe imo on a make up pad or supplied applicator. .
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Thanks for posting the reply aswell mate. Will really help folk out.
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Well it's something he might look into for us. We're having a little get together soon also so we'll have a chat.
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
No doubt mate, he's a proper stand up chap. Jon will give you his email if you need it for any questions.
 

MatthewR

ClioSport Club Member
Very informative email that. My dad has spoken to his company about paying me to correct and seal his car that sees up to 50k a year yet he still wants it looking nice.

I was going to use Wolfs hard body but think ill look properly into this one now. Ill then be able to carry out a maintenance wash once every 2 - 3 months to keep on top of things.
 
  Not a 320d
So whats he opted for? Gay Quartz UK ?

Agreed that the new C1 is a pile of s**t. The old C1 was still going strong after a year. Beading was excellent.

C1.5 drops off after about 4 washes.
 
I do love the lad. He's a very nice chap.

Hope that helped you mate. He did laugh at the email. I think he's used to the 1 line question ones! He likes a challenge anyway.

You can use CQUK on your wheels also but I would probably go with C5 on the wheels and exhaust as you already have it. I had C5 on my Frp one until I sold it. It was the old style C5 but still it worked superbly. I'm sure Andy will confirm.

If not i'm sure a little coat of CQUK might be worth a try. For all you use. 1 drop per pipe imo on a make up pad or supplied applicator. .

I felt really bad reeling off a load of questions! He probably will just ignore the next one haha

And when it comes to it I might well try CQUK on one tip and C5 on the other, could be interesting to see comparisons!
 

Gally

Formerly Mashed up egg in a cup
ClioSport Club Member
Excellent idea mate. Andy would love to hear back on that one also.

If you do try cleaning them with some shampoo and a detail brush. It'll give a good indication of what will last. :)
 
Fudge. That's what I forgot to do over Xmas. Have a small amount of C4 left over, so had intended to clean up the zorst and apply it... meh, next time.
 
  Fiesta ST-2 Finsport
Gally is spot and Andy @ carpro uk is a top bloke.
Not much impresses me in the detailing world anymore, however c.quartz is so good, I decided to become an authorised C.Quartz Finest authorised Detailer!! Am pretty chuffed tbh.
CarPro so far, have in my eyes lead the market in next gen stuff, just look at iron-x, c.quartz etc its all great gear. Look forward to using finest from now on! 24+ months durability here we come!
Chris @ DetailMe
 
Next reply:

Hi Andy

Thanks a lot for taking the time to write a reply to all my questions. I've shared it with the Cliosport forum so hopefully that's a few more people who have learnt about nano sealants now!

Starting from the top of your reply, you mentioned that hard water areas can cause water etching after washing. If I kept up with Reload top ups would this stop this or would I still need to go over with a paint cleanser? And what would I use as a cleanser?

I can safely say you've got me sold on the DLUX! It sounds like a very versatile product. I noticed PERL is used for tyre walls but would the DLUX also work and provide a longer lasting coating?

I'd definitely like to try the new FlyBy30 when it comes in stock. Would I be able to purchase some products direct through your email when the time comes?

Unfortunately with my question over load in the first email I think you missed the one I asked about the exhaust tips! I wondered how the CQUK would fare if I used this on them? Is it resistant enough to the heat? Or would C5 be OK as it has to withstand brake temperatures anyway? The only thing I'm wondering is would it bond to a non painted material, stainless steel?

Just to recap, is this how I should use the products?

CQUK on paint, finished with Reload. Then top up with Reload once a month after washing.
DLUX on plastic trims, door & window rubbers, and possibly tyre walls? And coating on light clusters. PERL top ups?
PERL on engine bay. Then dried with a microfibre. Could I also use this on interior surfaces like the dashboard?
FlyBy30 on all exterior glass including mirrors.
CQUK/C5 on exhaust tips?
CarPro Fabric sealant on interior cloth.

I've also got Auto Finesse Avalanche so would this be fine to use on the CQUK once a month?

Thanks again for all the help,

Jon Clark


Andy's reply:

I am confident that if you keep the car updated with Reload (no need to do a coat more than once every 2 weeks and can leave as long as 2-3 months) you will see little or no water spotting that can not be removed by a simple wash routine.

DLUX can be used on tyres and lasts up to 4 months from a single application. The problem is that tyre's vary so much from manufacturer to manufacture and they all react differently to the product so durability can differ. Have a look at this review on Detailing World if you have time.

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=276712

Yes, CQUK is great on exhausts and will help prevent soot built up by as much as 80%. If you have some C5 left over I can tell you that it too will work well on exhaust tips. Obviously I would recommend CQUK, but to be honest C5 will do a great job too (just not as good as CQUK!)

CQUK on paint, finished with Reload. Then top up with Reload once a month after washing. - YES
DLUX on plastic trims, door & window rubbers, and possibly tyre walls? And coating on light clusters. PERL top ups?- No need for perl top-ups. Can top up with Reload (Reload can be used on all surfaces including glass!)
PERL on engine bay. Then dried with a microfibre. Could I also use this on interior surfaces like the dashboard? (yes, dilute to 3:1 for dashboard, and can even use on leather at 9:1. PERL stands for: plastics, engine, rubber and leather)
FlyBy30 on all exterior glass including mirrors.- YES
CQUK/C5 on exhaust tips? - either/or
CarPro Fabric sealant on interior cloth. yes. can use on alcantara too.

We will be fully stocked by the end of January, with deliveries due in both tomorrow and the 28th of January.

Avalanche will be fine to use on CQUK- it is the most durable ceramic coating on the market so will not be a problem. Try to avoid the glass, but it will takes months to degrade so not too much of a worry.

As a thank you I will set up a forum discount especially for you guys at 7.5% on all items to get you hooked! Is there a members section it can be posted to? I will keep it open for the whole of February and March (once stock arrives!).

Andy
CarProUK


So as you can see it also looks like we might be able to set up some sort of discount in the near future. I'll PM Gally and hopefully between us we can sort this out as I'm not sure if it will run as a discount code through the website or if it will be a direct email/telephone thing

Jon

 


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