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Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile
Evo 5 RS
Unfortunately we do live in a country that's about 10 years behind everyone else when it comes to broadband. Most people shouldn't have a problem though.
What about all the countries that don't have good broadband connections?
Evo 5 RS
Like who? Literally the only people that could possibly be further behind us have more important things to think about. Like finding shelter and fresh water.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You are such a fan boy it's unbelievable, MS are only in it for the money! And yes, MS do get a cut from the sale of pre-owned games as well as the publisher according to the details so far.
But I can see them changing things as the feedback gets worse and worse, they are being too controlling and the punters aren't appreciating it. The only way they will get away with it is if Sony take exactly the same stance and rules.
Honda. Tesla Someday
Whoever wrote that article is so butt hurt!
its not that big an issue lol!! Are people actually surprised by this news? I mean, PC gaming is very similar. You buy a game and a licence key, it's locked to your 'account' and that's that! At least with the Xbox one more than one person can play the game at a time!
Just kinda annoying how so many website are acting like this is some sort of holy Armageddon!
Evo 5 RS
lol.
PC gaming is very different. For a start, games are a lot cheaper. Secondly, you can play them offline. Thirdly, the platform you play them on won't be obsolete in five years time.
I could go on, but won't.
It's a well known fact though that this current generation of consoles has seen the demise of many, many great publishers due to lack of revenues. Publishers are criticised for not taking risks and pumping out sequels. For me as a consumer I want choice and if that means paying a bit more to have that than that's fine. At the end of the day games cost the same or less now than they did 20 years ago (still remember paying £60 for Street Fighter 2 Turbo Edition!)
There might be some more draconian rules being imposed by Sony and MS but publishers need this to survive IMO.
A lot of the criticisms, such as the online necessity, have been blown way out of proportion too.
However I think the problem is MS have been poor at promoting the benefits of the One (or the ones that people care about, at least) and allowed internet rumours to continue to circulate - they should have quelled them straight after the announcement. My only hope is the negative reactions will lead to some changes as they will obviously recognise the issues.
There might be some more draconian rules being imposed by Sony and MS but publishers need this to survive IMO.
A lot of the criticisms, such as the online necessity, have been blown way out of proportion too.
However I think the problem is MS have been poor at promoting the benefits of the One (or the ones that people care about, at least) and allowed internet rumours to continue to circulate - they should have quelled them straight after the announcement. My only hope is the negative reactions will lead to some changes as they will obviously recognise the issues.
Honda. Tesla Someday
I'm such a fanboy? Grow up!
Microsoft said that they are not taking any money for trade ins. Try READING before talking crap! They said it in the press release above that MS does not receive any compensation for the resale of games.
Thank god most of the worlds population isn't as ignorant as you, we'd be so f*cked!
oh and "omfg they are only doing it for the money OMGG!!" - its a BUSINESS, a business to make... MONEY. Nothing in this life is free, get used to it!
Evo 5 RS
It's not a major issue for most of us really. In moderation, I think they've made a good call with the 24 hour thing, but I have a feeling that will change. Online DRM has been tried before. Ubisoft implemented 'always online' DRM on a few games. Literally the moment your internet connection dropped it would throw you out. Whoever came up with that one needs shooting.
For those without an internet connection, god knows. Times are changing, I think it's certainly a better way of tackling piracy than implementing on disc DRM or software that could bloat out the OS.
Locking users to digital downloads is also nothing new. However I know a lot of younger gamers tend to trade games in like they're pogs as they simply can't afford to buy another game. The laws on digital content are still even today very unclear, and I wouldn't be surprised if something is done about it in the next couple of years to entitle everyone to be able to sell on content they've purchased, as at the moment it's easy for companies to exploit.
For those without an internet connection, god knows. Times are changing, I think it's certainly a better way of tackling piracy than implementing on disc DRM or software that could bloat out the OS.
Locking users to digital downloads is also nothing new. However I know a lot of younger gamers tend to trade games in like they're pogs as they simply can't afford to buy another game. The laws on digital content are still even today very unclear, and I wouldn't be surprised if something is done about it in the next couple of years to entitle everyone to be able to sell on content they've purchased, as at the moment it's easy for companies to exploit.
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Yep fanboy.
ms said they aren't charging for the sale of games back to the retailer for trade in, they haven't said they aren't getting a cut when the game is then resold to the next poor sod, which is what was said was going to happen.
you seem to think everything ms do is amazing, they can't put a foot wrong, this is all total b****cks, ms are losing a LOT of loyal gamers over this at the moment, so you are in the minority, but it's because you are a fanboy and can't see the wrong in all this.
You can no longer buy a game and know that in 5 years time you'll 100% be able to still play it, it will depend on whether the developer will allow you to play it, they could stop the service at any time, you have no say whatsoever, which could mean you might not even be able to play it in single player either, that's b****cks, especially as it looks like games are going to be even more expensive than before.
there is negative press around this everywhere, why can't you see this?
Who doesn't have an internet connection these days? And who won't in the console's lifetime of around 10 years? I would say very little. I can kind of understand some people still like the idea of consoles being a discrete box, you put a game in and that's it. But the console market has changed and will continue to do so and the manufacturers have to appeal to the masses and make gaming more mainstream - not just satisfy the stereotypical gamer sitting at home alone playing an obscure RPG.
It amazes me how little some people fail to take into account that these ARE businesses and obviously trying to make profit and fulfil strategic objectives. On the other hand it also amazes me how some publishers/manufacturers fail to listen to the voice of the consumer at times - and we end up with the likes of Playstation Home or Dragon Age 2!
It amazes me how little some people fail to take into account that these ARE businesses and obviously trying to make profit and fulfil strategic objectives. On the other hand it also amazes me how some publishers/manufacturers fail to listen to the voice of the consumer at times - and we end up with the likes of Playstation Home or Dragon Age 2!
Anyway, as said, we need to really wait until next week now to see if Sony are planning the same and that will be that, we'll have to like it or lump it.
I'll still be buying both consoles for the exclusive games, it's the only way to do it really, a shame but that's that too. I think exclusives should be banned too, to save people having to buy both consoles to get the full exposure to all games.
I'll still be buying both consoles for the exclusive games, it's the only way to do it really, a shame but that's that too. I think exclusives should be banned too, to save people having to buy both consoles to get the full exposure to all games.
Evo 5 RS
This brings another point up, I assume I wouldn't be able to take the console away from home (e.g. staying in a holiday home, where there is no internet).
I rarely sell games (in fact I rarely buy them), but if reselling games becomes impossible, I'd hope the RRP of new games will be considerably cheaper (closer to £30 instead of £50).
Evo 5 RS
lol,
Fair points.
No you won't. I have a friend who regularly takes his 360 with him to wifi-less hotels for work (and sometimes can't get a 3G signal either). He will not be able to do this with the X-bone.
The RRP of games will most likely go up, not down. Spiralling development costs will be cited as the reason. The example of SSFII Turbo selling for £60 always rears its head in discussions about price of games, but that was an anomaly - most SNES games retailed at £39.99. 20 years later and some games RRP at £54.99. I expect next-gen games to retail around £60-65.
I disagree - I think prices have stayed pretty much the same, but given inflation in real terms games have actually got cheaper - despite development and marketing costs massively increasing. This is the result of more people playing games. With MS and Sony (and publishers) targeting larger customer segments they can keep the prices as low as possible despite increased costs. DLC has become more prevalent as it helps generate extra revenue - the basic games alone very often make surprisingly low profit. Obviously though there are piss takes when it comes to DLC from some greedy publishers but you can see the business argument for doing this.
Honda. Tesla Someday
You can keep calling me a fanboy till your balls drop, I don't care.
Once again I must point out that you can't read properly. Microsoft said in the press release that they will NOT charge retailers, publishers or consumers for enabling transfer of games. This means that they do not get a cut. As a cut of it would be seen as a fee. Comprende? Lets move on.
Did I ever say that I completely agree with everything MS is doing? No I did not. What I actually said was 'even though I may not agree with everything they are doing'. Once again it looks like I need to point out your lacking reading skills.
Your last point regarding being able to play games in 5 years etc and developers / publishers having to give permission is a gripe you should have with the publishers or developers themselves. That has nothing to do with Microsoft. If a publisher decides to charge a fee for trading a game in etc, then that is down to said publisher.
I hope my english wasnt very difficult to read, because I am getting tired of educating you.
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Lets Not forget Turok on N64 at £70 when it was released and they were all £60 for years, they very rarely went below £50 for new games, problem I see is more and more developers only release limited editions mostly with pointless crap at a higher cost, Blackops 2 release I could only get Hardened edition on release for £69.99 bad times, not to mention they give you minimal maps to start with and then charge 1200 plus points for more, which lets face it you do need after a while to prolong longevity.
Fiesta ST2 MP215
I agree dude, and also DK what games are you trying to play 5 years down the line? all first version Xbox 360 games work on the cons
Did I ever say that I completely agree with everything MS is doing? No I did not. What I actually said was 'even though I may not agree with everything they are doing'. Once again it looks like I need to point out your lacking reading skills.
Your last point regarding being able to play games in 5 years etc and developers / publishers having to give permission is a gripe you should have with the publishers or developers themselves. That has nothing to do with Microsoft. If a publisher decides to charge a fee for trading a game in etc, then that is down to said publisher.
I hope my english wasnt very difficult to read, because I am getting tired of educating you.[/QUOTE]
I agree dude, and also DK what games are you trying to play 5 years down the line? all first version Xbox 360 games work on the console, MP part probably wont, i'd be amazed how many people actually want to play first version on Halo online nowadays, there isnt enough people to warrant the server upkeep costs, not to mention patches and the like, maybe buy some new games or something, let go of the 5 year old games.
Did I ever say that I completely agree with everything MS is doing? No I did not. What I actually said was 'even though I may not agree with everything they are doing'. Once again it looks like I need to point out your lacking reading skills.
Your last point regarding being able to play games in 5 years etc and developers / publishers having to give permission is a gripe you should have with the publishers or developers themselves. That has nothing to do with Microsoft. If a publisher decides to charge a fee for trading a game in etc, then that is down to said publisher.
I hope my english wasnt very difficult to read, because I am getting tired of educating you.[/QUOTE]
I agree dude, and also DK what games are you trying to play 5 years down the line? all first version Xbox 360 games work on the console, MP part probably wont, i'd be amazed how many people actually want to play first version on Halo online nowadays, there isnt enough people to warrant the server upkeep costs, not to mention patches and the like, maybe buy some new games or something, let go of the 5 year old games.
A great article which sums it all up for me, really.
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html
For someone not interested in buying the console you sure have a lot to say in this thread.
As for that article, some of the points are blatant scaremongering:
- You don't own the games you buy, only the license to play them
You've never 'owned' a game. Just like music you never owe the material, that belongs to the authors/publishers. You are licensed to play it, always have been.
- Publishers decide whether games can be traded in or not and even then, it will only be possible with "participating retailers"
Where has that been announced? Nothing I have read states publishers will specifically block trading. Charging a fee is not blocking.
- You have to connect online every 24 hours - fail to do so and you can't play your games at all
Again, this is misleading. It makes it sound like if the console is off for 3 days it will melt into a useless pile of plastic. Nonsense.
- You can sell games to those on your Friends List but only if you've been friends with them for 30 days
Again, wrong. The official statement reads :-
Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
- You don't own the games you buy, only the license to play them
You've never 'owned' a game. Just like music you never owe the material, that belongs to the authors/publishers. You are licensed to play it, always have been.
- Publishers decide whether games can be traded in or not and even then, it will only be possible with "participating retailers"
Where has that been announced? Nothing I have read states publishers will specifically block trading. Charging a fee is not blocking.
- You have to connect online every 24 hours - fail to do so and you can't play your games at all
Again, this is misleading. It makes it sound like if the console is off for 3 days it will melt into a useless pile of plastic. Nonsense.
- You can sell games to those on your Friends List but only if you've been friends with them for 30 days
Again, wrong. The official statement reads :-
Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
Also, as I have mentioned in other threads I work for Microsoft but these opinions are all my own. I haven't heard anything internally that hasn't already been made public. There is a lot of rumour in this thread, a lot of which I won't comment but when things are being posted that are clearly meant to generate negative conversation I will offer my opinion.
Honda. Tesla Someday
I understand prices should go up, but if the 2nd hand market (whether that being from a shop or through forums) dies due to reselling becoming difficult/impossible, then it would only be fair to reduce the cost of the new games. IMO.
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is that right, add to that patronising fanboy and you'll be about right.
maybe you should read what i put, being able to play a game in 5 years has everything to do with everyone, we are renting the games, installing them on the drive, and then relying on MS and the publisher allowing us to play it, especially with this 'cloud' based gaming, nothing to do with trading anything in. If i want to pick up GTAIV and play it offline now, or in 3 years i can, but i can't be guaranteed that fact with the new games.
What is a publisher goes under and stops running their servers to enable you to play a game, there goes you ever being able to play it again, online or in insole player mode because of the integration they are talking about. We don't own games (not that we ever had in the past either, just like we don't own software, we have a license to run it) but also don't know what the future of playing that game even in single player mode is any more.
