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its scary what modding and or driving the same car in the same range (only be it older) does too...
for example before i did anything to the meg it was wallowy and floaty then into the cup/f1/R26 and it was so firm and taught, but the fun wasnt there as much... and its a simple suspension change that makes all the differance
i felt it too when i was in a 172 and then into a 200. theres so much help these days and it dulls the fun and excitement, but not the 197/200, as im sure you'd agree. for a modern car they are brilliant
disclaimer: (but yes they are no williams)
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
Golf 7R
Spot on! Tell me, do you use comedy to disguise the fact you have no humour/personality?
SC Ph1 172 and M140i
'92 172, Lotus Elise
I wasn't trying to say mine is a Williams (or that a valver should necessarily be ranked)
more that i've taken some of the best bits from the Williams that made it the great car it is and fitted them to mine!
SC Ph1 172 and M140i
I wasn't trying to say mine is a Williams (or that a valver should necessarily be ranked)
more that i've taken some of the best bits from the Williams that made it the great car it is and fitted them to mine!
Ignore Stromba, I knew you meant you had a little bit of a Willy
The problem with some of the older cars makes subjective testing very difficult. As you can never compare like with like.
However, I've owned a few Clio's now, more than most I guess and to drive the Trophy is the best. However, the Williams does have some magic in its appearance and for a small cheap car has a real sense of occassion which is why it's always there or thereabouts. If it was soley about one thing or another, alot of the cars wouldn't be there so it's nice to see it ranked on more than just ability but looks and desireability to.
However, I've owned a few Clio's now, more than most I guess and to drive the Trophy is the best. However, the Williams does have some magic in its appearance and for a small cheap car has a real sense of occassion which is why it's always there or thereabouts. If it was soley about one thing or another, alot of the cars wouldn't be there so it's nice to see it ranked on more than just ability but looks and desireability to.
Clio Williams & 182
I think you need drivers aids if you look at the weight of some of these cars nowadays. I was reading EVO the other day, all about the new Twingo Cup, I almost fell off the toilet seat when they said it was the new 'featherweight' superhatch at something like 1040 Kg.
I mean, huh? That's a fat lard-arsed hatch imho AND it's got less power than a Williams made 17 years ago lol! No wonder we overhauled every single one of them on my last track day. Not to mention the fact I can get the tail out in the Williams without some interfering gimmick 'special needs' aid stopping me, and that goes for all the current normal cars, even the R26R which annoyed me as I felt I was being chauffeured in it, not driving it. Sure, it's fast, but a child of two could make it go fast given big enough shoes and extra padded nappies.
I mean, huh? That's a fat lard-arsed hatch imho AND it's got less power than a Williams made 17 years ago lol! No wonder we overhauled every single one of them on my last track day. Not to mention the fact I can get the tail out in the Williams without some interfering gimmick 'special needs' aid stopping me, and that goes for all the current normal cars, even the R26R which annoyed me as I felt I was being chauffeured in it, not driving it. Sure, it's fast, but a child of two could make it go fast given big enough shoes and extra padded nappies.
'92 172, Lotus Elise
Ignore Stromba, I knew you meant you had a little bit of a Willy
ha
so that's where he's been
bless
Im hurt louise
its got to be a fix with the 200, renault must have paid them to stick them in third cos its ugly and slow.
Gorms
ITB'd MK1
mk4 golf?
Really?
and better tham a mk1 golf?
LOL
Lack of the 106 GTI makes that list a joke, it IS better than the saxo (interior, appearance and perfection), and was THE best hatch made in it's time.
Really?
and better tham a mk1 golf?
LOL
Lack of the 106 GTI makes that list a joke, it IS better than the saxo (interior, appearance and perfection), and was THE best hatch made in it's time.
197....whats it done??
williams is quicker, better looking, comfier, better to drive......i could go on.
200
Im hurt louise
its got to be a fix with the 200, renault must have paid them to stick them in third cos its ugly and slow.
Gorms
LOL about first bit, sorry spazo
Secondly, the looks of the 200 is subjective and i personally love the front but thats off topic. I also fail to see how it is slow (but i think you are being a bit of a piss take) when its a real achievment to get 200bhp (or 197 really) out of a NA engine. Clios have never been about straight line speed, if you want that by an astra VXR and come off the road
.I dont know why there is so much hype about the 200, i bought mine before there was so much hype based on driving the 197 as it wasnt out yet.
I would like to know why the 197 wasnt recieved in the same way. Someone on here made a good point that its cos the cooper s was out at the same time as the 197 and theres been nothing for the 200 to compete with which i think is a valid point.
Williams 1
clio mk2's look proper gay! ...................FACT
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
No offence, but any magazine that thinks the Golf MKV Gti is the 6th best hot hatch ever is spouting utter tosh, so it puts the other results into question imho.
6th. F*cking lol.
6th. F*cking lol.
Williams 1
A Car
What this guy said.
Older cars are mostly more involving to drive, the list is a joke.
The other cars in there show how much of a joke it is.
SC Ph1 172 and M140i
It never fails to amaze me how very sad and pathetic you are.
When will you realise no-one is interested or cares sweetie.
Williams 1
Williams 1
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...hes-no-match-for-sporty-clio-115875-21983656/
The mirror agree too!
The mirror agree too!
williamsclio.co.uk/forum
thats older than the back end of no. 0002....id say the front end....but thats not so old
almost as old as this
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Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
and you own a saxo??
I also own a Golf Gti Edition 30 - & its not the 6th best hot hatch ever lol.
As it happens, i bought the saxo as the golf is so dull
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
???
Ive owned both the Saxo and 106.
They are the exact same drive. Im actually obliged to admit that the Saxo felt quicker and my standard GTI made 133bhp @ the fly...
That J4 engine is one of the best 1600cc's ever tbqfh
The 106 GTi and Saxo VTS ARE the same car.
In fact, I had a T reg 106 GTi and my workmate at the time had a T reg VTS.
The only differences between them were:
- Some body panels were different.
- Lights were different.
- Interior is different (but the seats are the same - just a different trim).
- The 106 had a slightly thicker rear anti-roll bar. I asked about it on PGAC and the general concensus was that it's because a thicker rear ARB helps turn-in.
- As standard, the Saxo had 15 inch wheels but the 106 only came with 14 inch "teardrop" rims.
I always preferred the 106 GTi for several reasons. I think it looks better, it was more expensive from new (so a bit less common than the VTS), and best of all it was only insurance group 13 whereas the Saxo was group 14. Peugeot tested it at half load to give false figures and lower the insurance group - in terms of straight line performance there was absolutely no difference.
For a 1600cc engine they are very strong. Mine pulled all the way up to the redline and was very reliable. The gearboxes and linkages are made of cheese and the sunroof trim kept coming off and causing the alarm to trigger, but other than that it was a joy to own.
Therefore, I think the 106 GTi should be there in place of the Saxo, but that's just my opinion. At the end of the day they're virtually identical so the fact that the VTS is in there does it justice.
However, I also preferred the 106 GTi to the 306 GTi-6/Rallye. The 306 was quicker in a straight line but as for cornering speeds there's little between them. Because the 106 is smaller it felt like a go-kart. I'm definitely going to buy another one day.
In fact, I had a T reg 106 GTi and my workmate at the time had a T reg VTS.
The only differences between them were:
- Some body panels were different.
- Lights were different.
- Interior is different (but the seats are the same - just a different trim).
- The 106 had a slightly thicker rear anti-roll bar. I asked about it on PGAC and the general concensus was that it's because a thicker rear ARB helps turn-in.
- As standard, the Saxo had 15 inch wheels but the 106 only came with 14 inch "teardrop" rims.
I always preferred the 106 GTi for several reasons. I think it looks better, it was more expensive from new (so a bit less common than the VTS), and best of all it was only insurance group 13 whereas the Saxo was group 14. Peugeot tested it at half load to give false figures and lower the insurance group - in terms of straight line performance there was absolutely no difference.
For a 1600cc engine they are very strong. Mine pulled all the way up to the redline and was very reliable. The gearboxes and linkages are made of cheese and the sunroof trim kept coming off and causing the alarm to trigger, but other than that it was a joy to own.
Therefore, I think the 106 GTi should be there in place of the Saxo, but that's just my opinion. At the end of the day they're virtually identical so the fact that the VTS is in there does it justice.
However, I also preferred the 106 GTi to the 306 GTi-6/Rallye. The 306 was quicker in a straight line but as for cornering speeds there's little between them. Because the 106 is smaller it felt like a go-kart. I'm definitely going to buy another one day.
Willy + Modus DCi
yeah possibly. but the winner would be the same
yeah the winner would be the same! Evo loves the Williams!!! they also love the trophy so that would make the list!!
i love my willy!!!!! much more interesting than my 172!! MK1 HELL YEAH!
X
yeah possibly. but the winner would be the same
In the Evo greatest drivers cars the Williams came about 30. Loads of hatches above it. So I'm not sure about that. However that's just driving ability and not all round test like what's cited with Autocar.
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