Rolling Road Results (SHOCKIN)

[Eddie_Ph1]

Took my car to WGT Auto Developments today to have a power run and it only made 161.6 bhp at the flywheel they said it was running too rich AFR Perol reading 12.0 what is way too rich and iv not long had my inlets matched and ported and a custom remap at jamsport and they said it made 188 bhp at the flywheel on there rollers so theres a big diffrents there and my other mods are janspeed cat back plus decat and itg maxogen filter so it shud be in the 180s iam not a happy person at all as you cud imagine.

 

[la21t]

You sound like ur assuming that JamSport is wrong and WGT are correct - whats to say its not the other way around. I had my 21 RR'd at JamSport a while back and it made 231bhp and 271lbft, a year later same car same mods, made 226bhp and 260lbft on different rollers. Hardly a night and day difference between the 2. I couldnt tell who was right or wrong though. I came away thinking well they are similar so I have an idea in my head....

Does it feel almost 30brake slower than when you left JamSport....you ought to notice it.

Rollers are about as reliable as Wenger in the transfer window

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

The thing im really concerned about is the fact they said its running too rich and that im loseing power and they gave me the graphs to prove this and it shouldnt when iv not long had a custom remap it should be running perfect and no it didnt feel like it lost almost 30 bhp but the power seems to drop off alot at approx 6500 rpm then pick up again at 7000 rpm wheres before i had the inlets done and maped it felt as it pulled good all the way to 7200 rpm.

 

[Dan]

I see rollers as pretty pointless unless looking for rele big power increases, if the mods you have done make the car feel better and a little quicker/urgent when driving then they have done there job

 

[Dan]

Flat spot on the map

Send it back for them to fix m8

 

[Andyman]

For the mods fitted, one result looks too high the other too low.

 

[Sir_Dave]

inlets matched and ported and a custom remap at jamsport and they said it made 188 bhp at the flywheel on there rollers

It simply wont have 188bhp from that.

So id say that the Jamsport result should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Yeah seems to be a flat spot mate and yeah i want it sorting really after spending over £500 on having the inlets done and custom map.

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Yeah it should of made at least 180 today with the mods iv got though.

 

[Dan]

Get on the phone they shouldn't have a prob with sortin it when u spend that much tbh
I think if they sort the flat spot they should also spot the over fuelling problem (if it's actually there)

 

[Dan]

Did u get a before mods rollers run??

 

[Greeny.]

Jamsport standard -5/10bhp

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Yeah iv rang them and mark wasnt there today so they said there going get him ring me on monday. i cant see why they would say its running rich if it aint?? and iv got the graphs to prove it is.

 

[Andyman]

Post your graphs up?

I reckon you would be doing well with 180 from those mods. Mid 170's more realistic

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Did u get a before mods rollers run??

I had a rolling road printout when i brought the car when it had a janseed cat back and a k&n panel filter and made 150 bhp at the wheels so what ever that is at the fly aint got a clue.

 

[Dan]

Ahh right a new map would sort it tbh I think

But also if ur engine wasn't runnin 180 like quite alot don't more like 170 I wouldnt think it would reach 188 with them mods :S

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Post your graphs up?

I reckon you would be doing well with 180 from those mods. Mid 170's more realistic

So 188 bhp what jamsport said is a load of rubbish then lol and ill try post the graphs.

 

[Dan]

I had a rolling road printout when i brought the car when it had a janseed cat back and a k&n panel filter and made 150 bhp at the wheels so what ever that is at the fly aint got a clue.

i dunno how it's worked out tbh any1 know what % u loose as it goes to the wheels???

 

[Greeny.]

Your previous graph means near nothing comparing it to your new one if its from a different set of rollers anyway

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Yeah i know diffrent rollers show diffrent results but 188 bhp to 161 bhp lol is a massive diffrent and saying its running too rich aint a good thing.

Your previous graph means near nothing comparing it to your new one if its from a different set of rollers anyway

 

[Andyman]

So 188 bhp what jamsport said is a load of rubbish then lol and ill try post the graphs.

Sorry mate iv just realised you have a 182 dohhhhh lol

Still think 188 from a 182 with those mods would be very good going tho plus 150 @ wheels sounds a bit high on your old mods.

Sure a near stock 182 would be around 140 @ wheels abouts

 

[Arctic_182]

wgt make me laugh my mate had a big power 3 door cosworth & he took it there for a power run ''they asked him what sort of power are you expecting'' to which he replies 500bhp they laughed but it made 518bhp

 

[Matthew]

Mine made 162 at RS Tuning standard if that's anything to go by (on s**t fuel too lol)

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

wgt make me laugh my mate had a big power 3 door cosworth & he took it there for a power run ''they asked him what sort of power are you expecting'' to which he replies 500bhp they laughed but it made 518bhp

Well WGT take ur wheels off and power run them on the hubs and alot of people have said there very accurate so 161 bhp is way too low for the mods iv got and its a 182 lol they make more then 161 standard.

 

[Arctic_182]

Well WGT take ur wheels off and power run them on the hubs and alot of people have said there very accurate so 161 bhp is way too low for the mods iv got and its a 182 lol they make more then 161 standard.

correct

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Mine made 162 at RS Tuning standard if that's anything to go by (on s**t fuel too lol)

Well 161 bhp with the mods iv got shows sumats defo wrong there then lol its got go back to have the map looked at.

 

[Matthew]

I'd say with your mods it should be 175 ish...

 

[Dan]

162 so about 168 maybe 170 on good fuel is about norm for a 182 I would say but I still see rollers as pointless for smaller mods s-charging, itbs or turbo then ye u wana see but things just gettin a few hp it's all down to feeling better IMO

 

[cander08]

rollin rds a re nonsense

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

I'd say with your mods it should be 175 ish...

Yh but surely with a janspeed cat back and decat, inlets matched and ported and custom remap, itg maxogen filter it shud be making way more then 161 bhp and with me having it maped it shouldnt be running rich unless it aint been maped right.

 

[Dan]

Well WGT take ur wheels off and power run them on the hubs and alot of people have said there very accurate so 161 bhp is way too low for the mods iv got and its a 182 lol they make more then 161 standard.

Sometimes u can get unlucky with the engine plus oils used and fuel grade can make a diff also A/C on can loose 1 or 2 hp lol

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Sometimes u can get unlucky with the engine plus oils used and fuel grade can make a diff also A/C on can loose 1 or 2 hp lol

It was servied with good oil around 4000 miles ago and its got v power fuel init and the A/C was off.

 

[Matthew]

If it's running rich then obviously there is something a mis, take it back as you said, and get them to look at the fuelling etc

 

[Inferno]

Get it down the quarter mile, that'll give you an unequivocal answer as to how fast it is. Rolling roads aren't accurate, there are too many variables.

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

Get it down the quarter mile, that'll give you an unequivocal answer as to how fast it is. Rolling roads aren't accurate, there are too many variables.

Yeah ur right there mate ill be taking it santa pod this year but still want the fueling looking at

 

[Dan]

Well it all comes down to diff rollers then but like I said they are pointless in the 1st place

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

 

[Vicky.]

Took my car to WGT Auto Developments today to have a power run and it only made 161.6 bhp at the flywheel .

Well WGT take ur wheels off and power run them on the hubs and alot of people have said there very accurate.

I'm confused did you put it on a hub mounted dyno or just a roll on/roll off?

 

[Eddie_Ph1]

I'm confused did you put it on a hub mounted dyno or just a roll on/roll off?

It was a hub mounted dyno.

 

[Dave.]

mate using two different rolling roads is a completly pointless excersize.

The only way to see real improvements is to go to the same rolling road everytime.

With those mods you will be lucky to see 180bhp. i had exactly the same, and my car was generally a bit of a freak and only made 179.9 bhp at TDF.

It then had cams fitted and was mapped again on the same rollers, 193 bhp. At surrey rolling road it made 188 bhp!

Its since had ITB's fitted, and on the same rollers before 192.7 bhp after 210.3 bhp.

So i can see consistent gains as ive used the same rolling road throughout.