Sorry another " Which front brakes post "

[crayfish]

Well sorry to ask this question again.
But my 200 is now on 39000 miles and on it's original front discs and pads so thinking that when I have the car serviced next month I'm also going to change the front brakes and freshen them up.
My daily journey is a 50 mile commute including going into Norwich city centre so the last thing I want is squealing brakes..But I will also be doing maybe 4-5 trackdays per year.
So thinking Brembo HC discs, Goodridge Hoses and ATP uprated brake fluid and of course some new pads too. Now after reading quite a few threads on which pads are suitable and talking to a supplier , the DS2500 is getting recommended.

I ran the above disc, hose and fluid setup alongside Mintex M1155 pads on my old Trophy and they were superb on track but were noisy and pretty useless when cold so road driving wasnt perfect.

So choices really are :
1) Ferodo DS2500
2) Mintex M1144
3) OE Brembo pads

Any thoughts and if not the above then any other suggestions ?

Thanks

Neil

 

[N4TH4N]

@George@RTR_Parts

 

[crayfish]

Thanks for the heads up. I have already spoken to George and he was very helpful and will order from him but really just want to satisfy my mind about daily use and traffic using the DS2500.
I have used them before on my old Golf VR6 track car but found them to have very poor feel on that particular car.

 

[N4TH4N]

Thanks for the heads up. I have already spoken to George and he was very helpful and will order from him but really just want to satisfy my mind about daily use and traffic using the DS2500.
I have used them before on my old Golf VR6 track car but found them to have very poor feel on that particular car.

Ahh ok. I have DS2500 coupled with HC discs. Find them absolutely fine.

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

The DS2500 are fine to use on a daily drive, work well from cold and are relatively quiet ime

 

[crayfish]

The DS2500 are fine to use on a daily drive, work well from cold and are relatively quiet ime

Thanks George, sorry for the questioning..Just didnt want a repeat of the VR6 brake feel which had Porsche Boxster Calipers and discs with DS2500 but just had terrible initial bite and I really like a solid initial pedal feel.

Cheers

 

[crayfish]

The DS2500 are fine to use on a daily drive, work well from cold and are relatively quiet ime

George, what about the Brembo HP Sport pads ? Had these on my old TTRS and they were awesome on that car. Are they available on the 200 ?
Thanks again.

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

No worries Neil, the DS2500 working range is 20-500 deg C so don't need much heat in them at all

Yes, the HP2000 are available and are similar money for the DS2500 in the Clio 197/200 front pads

 

[crayfish]

No worries Neil, the DS2500 working range is 20-500 deg C so don't need much heat in them at all

Yes, the HP2000 are available and are similar money for the DS2500 in the Clio 197/200 front pads

I take it you would strongly suggest the DS2500 then over the HP2000 then ? Ever sold any at all ? Just really keen to avoid squealing and poor initial pedal feel but got to say everyone seems to be very positive about the DS as a daily/track pad.

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

Yes and yes. The Brembo just edges it on the road from cold/less noise but the DS2500 are a bit better on track, at the top end with the higher temps. As you are planning to do track days and they are the same price I'd lean to the DS2500. I don't really notice the noise of brakes tbh as I've run uprated pads for that long now

 

[Steven103]

TBH you can try the DS2500 fairly financially risk free. If they don't squeal then for the odd track day, great. If they do squeal then you'll have no problem flogging them on here for strong money if they've got meat left on them.

As a Plan B have you considered swapping pads out as you arrive/leave track days?

If you like to explore braking points & go to the effort of swapping wheels for sticky rubber (do you?) then it's not much extra effort to do a quick pad change, especially with a calliper design such as the brembos. Let's you run a more rewarding/robust/safe pad on track whilst being worry-free when it comes to daily wear/squeal/cold performance.

If you use a fairly kind & high quality road pad (e.g. Brembo OE) then it won't exactly inhibit the discs in terms of bitier pads needing bedding in. Just be aware that a significant change in pad thickness will move the pedal up & down if you don't keep on top of fluid level.



TLDR, get the DS2500 & flog em if they squeal.

 

[crayfish]

Yes and yes. The Brembo just edges it on the road from cold/less noise but the DS2500 are a bit better on track, at the top end with the higher temps. As you are planning to do track days and they are the same price I'd lean to the DS2500. I don't really notice the noise of brakes tbh as I've run uprated pads for that long now

Thanks again George , appreciate the advice . Ok I'm convinced then the DS2500 make a good all rounder , wait and see my order and then you will see my final choice :wink:

 

[crayfish]

As a Plan B have you considered swapping pads out as you arrive/leave track days?

If you like to explore braking points & go to the effort of swapping wheels for sticky rubber (do you?)

TLDR, get the DS2500 & flog em if they squeal.

Well I am looking for a good spare set of wheels that I can stick some 888's on that I have run before on some of my old track cars so that's an option.

But really the intention with this car is a daily road car that is pretty handy on track without prepping it to much.

But yep I'm coming round to the fact the DS will work in this car even though I have a poor experience with them before on my old VR6.

 

[crayfish]

Yes and yes. The Brembo just edges it on the road from cold/less noise but the DS2500 are a bit better on track, at the top end with the higher temps. As you are planning to do track days and they are the same price I'd lean to the DS2500. I don't really notice the noise of brakes tbh as I've run uprated pads for that long now

George , can you PM me a price please for Brembo HP2000 front pads , Brembo HC discs , enough ATP BF guess 1.5 litres ? , and the Goodridge hoses too.

Thanks very much

 

[bristolnate]

I used M1144 in my car for two track days, then removed them... faded so bad after only a few laps. I put DS2500 in for my last track day and I have to say they were much much better, still not amazing but for the money a good mid range pad to get you braking a littler later. Then the braver you get, up to something even better a RC5 or something, thats my plan anyway!

 

[imprezaworks]

Mintex 1144 off that list. Or buy pagid pads at less than £20, spot on and i have tracked a set too.

 

[crayfish]

Mintex 1144 off that list. Or buy pagid pads at less than £20, spot on and i have tracked a set too.

Hmmm what type ? Funnily enough I have ran Pagid before on many different cars and been happy with them but havent read anything about them on Clio's mind..

 

[George@RTR_Parts]

George , can you PM me a price please for Brembo HP2000 front pads , Brembo HC discs , enough ATP BF guess 1.5 litres ? , and the Goodridge hoses too.

Thanks very much

will do mate

I used M1144 in my car for two track days, then removed them... faded so bad after only a few laps. I put DS2500 in for my last track day and I have to say they were much much better, still not amazing but for the money a good mid range pad to get you braking a littler later. Then the braver you get, up to something even better a RC5 or something, thats my plan anyway!

For the harder/longer sessions on track get some DS3000 or DS1.11 in there Nate :up:

 

[RS Charlie]

Mintex 1144 off that list. Or buy pagid pads at less than £20, spot on and i have tracked a set too.

A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you, no questions asked. Another Clio friend would have too but recently his experience with M1144s has not been great, like @bristolnate. On another car the Pagids were OK to be fair, albeit not lasting long, but for £20 I doubt anyone could get a better pad .

I used M1144 in my car for two track days, then removed them... faded so bad after only a few laps. I put DS2500 in for my last track day and I have to say they were much much better, still not amazing but for the money a good mid range pad to get you braking a littler later. Then the braver you get, up to something even better a RC5 or something, thats my plan anyway!

A friend of mine had the same experience. On the 'ring he found that the M1144s faded inconsistently and he has sworn by them for years and tried the car at the 'ring before. He was told however that the place of manufacture had changed (this is in June last year) and that he would have to wait a month for the pads to be made as a result.

Here's a question for you all. How do the Carbon Lorraines compared to the DS2500s etc. and how are they on brake squeal etc.

FWIW I am on Bosch pads and at Cadwell they were OK. I probably could have pushed them harder mind you! They are not mega dusty either, unlike the Apecs on the rear!

 

[imprezaworks]

Rc5's are far better than the ds2500. I'd say the pagids were better too. I have no real problems with my 1144 tbh

 

[RS Charlie]

Rc5's are far better than the ds2500. I'd say the pagids were better too. I have no real problems with my 1144 tbh

Now that is good news. Are the RC5s any good from cold however compared to the competition. I take the Pagids you are referring to are the stock items and not the Blues.

The friend in the above post (I think he is on CS) used to swear by M1144s for almost a decade until recently. Like you I have not managed to make a set fade, but his recent set have concerned me about going for them again.

 

[imprezaworks]

I've not used the mintex on track, 1155 I have and would again. The rc5 pads from cold are fine imo. Pagid pads are the cheap ones from ecp. I used them as needed pads and discs asap for a day at Oulton. I was amazed tbh.

 

[RS Charlie]

From that I am tempted to keep the Bosch pads on until they wear out and then consider my options, probably the RC5s depending on the dust but I have sealed my wheels with Collinite 476S for now . TBH anything was better than this shot setup!

 

[imprezaworks]

Yeah not great lol. depending on how you want to go the rc8 pads are aparantly awesome. @bob the builder used them and rates them. I am looking to get a trackday booked and tbh will swap the pads as the discs arnt great, not bad but I will be looking to replace them all.

 

[car.crash]

I have the rc5+
Fantastic pad hot and cold but don't leave your wheels months before cleaning.
The dust created a thick crust that I've never seen with any other pad.

I've shifted 95% of it off my new wheels so it does come off.
A quick wipe each week has got on top of it now.

 

[imprezaworks]

See I clean my car more than I clean so brake dust although annoying has never bothered me

Lol bloody break dust.

 

[crayfish]

I've not used the mintex on track, 1155 I have and would again. The rc5 pads from cold are fine imo. Pagid pads are the cheap ones from ecp. I used them as needed pads and discs asap for a day at Oulton. I was amazed tbh.

This is making me question my first choice pad of the Brembo HP2000 Sport as I think they are about £130 a set. Had these before on my old TTRS and big turbo S3 track car and were bloody brilliant. But maybe on a Clio as you say a simple Pagid pad could work.

 

[imprezaworks]

I wouldn't say the cheap ones are the go to pad tbh, they were handy and cheap. The mintex 1155 seemed better. It depends alot on how you drive, on track. If your needing £200 pads for a Clio on the road your doing something wrong. I have tried ebc yellow stuff too which were w**k. But I'm not a late braker, I like to give it some stick but value my car and me way too much to be a hero.

@Daniel used cheap and cheerful at llandow if memory serves.

 

[crayfish]

I had 1155 on my old Trophy and they were amazing when warm but pretty average when cold and squealed in traffic constantly .

Well I'm only looking to uprated ones as mine are getting worn and will be doing maybe 4-5 track days a year so makes sense but honestly for the road you are right it's overkill.

 

[imprezaworks]

Massively, lol.

 

[bob the builder]

well i cant comment on road use as have only done track days but my experience is:
ds2500- was a good pad with good bite but did fade after long runs (about 15 laps) only lasted 2 1/2 track days
ds3000- didnt like these as seemed to fade quicker and only got 1 1/2 track days out of them.
rc5 - crap crap crap i only used these for 2 runs on a track day then took them out.
rc8 - fantastic no fade great bite even from cold lasted a full race season with 1 trackday thrown in.

 

[crayfish]

Well decision made and ordered the following from George.
Brembo HP2000 Sport front pads , Brembo HC discs , ATE BF and the Goodridge braided hoses.
Should have these by the end of next week and fit them early next week. Should be interesting seeing how the HP2000 pads feel on the Clio. Had these on my old TTRS and they were immense.

 

[crayfish]

So had the service done and new brakes fitted yesterday and early impressions are that the difference is pretty damn big with a much firmer initial pedal feel with no squishy feel at all and with really strong retardation even after only doing 30 odd miles so far. I feel much more confident on the brakes now and going to Snetterton next week for an evening track day so be interesting to see if and when they fade significantly.

Car feels better than ever with new plugs,oil and air filter plus full of Shell's finest.

Happy days.:smile: