throttle body kit(s)

[2 live]

there was a guy at york a while ago, had his 1800 valver on twin 45s. ran mid 14s iirc. which is fukkin good for a valver.


carbs will always need a regular clean/set up tho, and arent as adjustable as bodies. good enough tho, have been tempted to ditch the alpha and try a set of 45 carbs instead tbh, just to see lol.

 

[dave_b80]

ye i had twin 45 webers on my old 205 mi16, that was running 210bhp but didnt get chance to run it up the strip. i was thinking more about bike t.bs and mappable managment to run them vs say jenveys or similar....

dave

 

[TheJesus]

I had 45mm carbs on my XR2, that was pretty rapid, but they were Webber ones iirc... only problem was as 2 live says, need regular cleaning and servicing as after 6 months it was usually well down on power and driving like a dog lol

 

[bill]

 

[TheJesus]

dear Santa...

 

[bill]

please can i have...

 

[TheJesus]

my pulleys, clear ti.... hang on wrong thread, I get confused with all these failed deadlines and promises.

If you want ITB's best bet is to just go see Andy GDI, week or two and it's done and you can forget about it and just drive it as a daily runner. 10k as of yesterday and still going strong... shame the same cant be said of the other stock Reno items starting to show signs of age and mileage (71k)

 

[bill]

i'm only f**king around really, i'm in no rush, just interested to see how the developements on this thread subject are doing,lol. glad to here your cars still going strong after 10k ( of thrashing it no doubt ) gives reasurance to throttle boddie wannabe's

 

[TheJesus]

lol, good job really then!

You never know, it may be a load of made up pish and Ben's got everyone on hold from going elsewhere to get ITB's whilst they hang on for this miracle growth BHP performance enhancer :lolup:

Yeah, just clocked up 10k as of yesterday, it's surprisingly good as a daily runner, easier to live with than my Williams was, but then that was a disaster area, everything bloody broke on it hehe. Personally speaking ITB's are no more or less reliable than than stock, fitting is just a case of bolting on (in principle) and the tricky bit is the mapping. That's the only time I can see the bodies themselves being an issue, hence why Andy and only Andy is touching mine, it's Omex and he is the Omex King lol

 

[benji&eka]

hi i can't get to grips with this thread at all and the alkyhol isnt helping LOL
did ben do his body kit or not?

 

[Andy_J]

did ben do his body kit or not?

i think it's more a case of no-one cares any more... yawn

 

[bill]

hi i can't get to grips with this thread at all and the alkyhol isnt helping LOL
did ben do his body kit or not?

go and get yourself another stella pal, and all will be reveiled!

 

[bill]

lol, good job really then!

You never know, it may be a load of made up pish and Ben's got everyone on hold from going elsewhere to get ITB's whilst they hang on for this miracle growth BHP performance enhancer :lolup:

Yeah, just clocked up 10k as of yesterday, it's surprisingly good as a daily runner, easier to live with than my Williams was, but then that was a disaster area, everything bloody broke on it hehe. Personally speaking ITB's are no more or less reliable than than stock, fitting is just a case of bolting on (in principle) and the tricky bit is the mapping. That's the only time I can see the bodies themselves being an issue, hence why Andy and only Andy is touching mine, it's Omex and he is the Omex King lol

all sound good to me jesus, you hear so many horror stories of modified cars being unreliable/going bang always being in the garage etc, so thats nice to hear you have a tried and tested modified car thats proving itself every day, hope to be in your shoes one day, ( only in a willy )

 

[benji&eka]

LOL

 

[ja.jack]

The wee man must be on holiday. Either that or gone bust.

 

[evouk]

he best not have!!!

 

[2 live]

lol, good job really then!

You never know, it may be a load of made up pish and Ben's got everyone on hold from going elsewhere to get ITB's whilst they hang on for this miracle growth BHP performance enhancer :lolup:

Yeah, just clocked up 10k as of yesterday, it's surprisingly good as a daily runner, easier to live with than my Williams was, but then that was a disaster area, everything bloody broke on it hehe. Personally speaking ITB's are no more or less reliable than than stock, fitting is just a case of bolting on (in principle) and the tricky bit is the mapping. That's the only time I can see the bodies themselves being an issue, hence why Andy and only Andy is touching mine, it's Omex and he is the Omex King lol

all sound good to me jesus, you hear so many horror stories of modified cars being unreliable/going bang always being in the garage etc, so thats nice to hear you have a tried and tested modified car thats proving itself every day, hope to be in your shoes one day, ( only in a willy )

they easy enough to fit to the willy.


and mines done just shy of 1000 miles ince fitting em so far, pnly problem is....they need mapping desperately....low on funds at the mo tho lol.


as jesus says tho....no more unreliable than std imo. maybe just a bit thirstier lol

 

[TheJesus]

... it's not December 25th yet... patience padawan

2 live - they do love a good drink!

 

[Clio172-DK]

I have a K-tec throttle bodykit for sale

It didn't work on my car so took it of again...

 

[Jesske]

Why didn't that work?

 

[TheJesus]

I have a K-tec throttle bodykit for sale

It didn't work on my car so took it of again...

the kit works only as well as the person mapping it mate. Speak to Andy at GDI and he could sort you out one of him Omex approved maps I'm sure, then you'd see what all the fuss is about the ITB kits

 

[MarkM]

I have a K-tec throttle bodykit for sale

It didn't work on my car so took it of again...

the kit works only as well as the person mapping it mate. Speak to Andy at GDI and he could sort you out one of him Omex approved maps I'm sure, then you'd see what all the fuss is about the ITB kits

The kit comes with a Motor Huger pre mapped ECU. I would rather have that then an "OMEX approved" (I dont understand what that means??) GDI map.

Back on topic though I am going to see Ben next week. All I can say is watch this space...

 

[TheJesus]

never heard of them Mark, I prefer to go by what actually works and is tried and tested. I do find it funny though that Omex were the tits until Ben left/got kicked out of GDI :lolup:

And by Omex approved that means the maps are approved by the big cheese at Omex. You'll hear more on that soon though

 

[MarkM]

And by Omex approved that means the maps are approved by the big cheese at Omex. You'll hear more on that soon though

So Andy has to send his maps to OMEX to make sure he got them right?

How does the big cheese at OMEX approve a map written for a specific car? Is there some kind of quality procedure that defines how a map should be written? Why doesnt Andy come on and explain the OMEX approval system?

I might send OMEX my map, see if they 'approve' :approve:. Maybe I could become an approved mapper seeing as though I had to sort out all the problems with the original map myself.

 

[TheJesus]

no, my car has been at Omex in the past due to a hardware fault on the ECU that they fixed FOC (nice of them).

Approving a map can't be too difficult if you can map. Get the car, drive it, power run it to make sure. Done. Why would Andy need to explain mapping to you, you can just ask Ben and get some text book answer that you can nod your head to.

Mapping a car yourself I wouldn't really recommend, it would be about as reliable as Yozzasports paperwork system.

 

[Fred@BTM]

ha! you should ring yoz mr J

 

[TheJesus]

what for, Laura's already asked his secretary for it on numerous occasions, what part of posting something out are you struggling with? I could write a guide if it helps?

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'm just passing on a message, if she wants it she or you has to ring yoz

 

[Rob_02cup]

Any more news then??? And what is it we're waiting to hear about, throttle bodies or a supercharger for the 172 cups?

 

[MarkM]

Approving a map can't be too difficult if you can map. Get the car, drive it, power run it to make sure. Done.

You make it sound so easy. So the guy from OMEX comes down to GDI to approve the maps by witnessing a power run and driving the car? He must have lots of spare time on his hands unless Andy is the only approved OMEX mapper in the country. How would he know if the car was making peak power with all the variables involved? The map is a file that can be emailed and looked at which I am sure is the most OMEX would be prepared to do. I dont see how you could tell if a map is right just by looking at the file.

Why would Andy need to explain mapping to you, you can just ask Ben and get some text book answer that you can nod your head to.

I have 3.5k to spend on throttle bodies. I will be spending that money at Angelworks because I know he will do a better job. I have experience of GDI and wont be wasting thousands of pounds there again.

It is easy to pass comments on the internet about who is best. I would rather put my money where my mouth is.

Mapping a car yourself I wouldn't really recommend.

I changed the fuel map using the AFR meter for refernece and the idle advance by monitoring the engine behaviour with the OMEX software. Its all been checked out during a power run at Northampton motorsport.

 

[TheJesus]

i'm just passing on a message, if she wants it she or you has to ring yoz

i'll see him in person instead soon enough.

 

[MarkM]

no, my car has been at Omex in the past due to a hardware fault on the ECU that they fixed FOC (nice of them).

I contacted OMEX directly about this mysterious hardware fault. After an initial check of my map they said it wasnt necessary. Seems strange on cars with installations done at a similar time by the same company...

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'm just passing on a message, if she wants it she or you has to ring yoz

i'll see him in person instead soon enough.

cool!

 

[TheJesus]

You make it sound so easy. So the guy from OMEX comes down to GDI to approve the maps by witnessing a power run and driving the car? He must have lots of spare time on his hands unless Andy is the only approved OMEX mapper in the country. How would he know if the car was making peak power with all the variables involved? The map is a file that can be emailed and looked at which I am sure is the most OMEX would be prepared to do. I dont see how you could tell if a map is right just by looking at the file.

I never said he did that, you asked how you approve one, I gave a suggestion. I think you should speak to Richard @ Omex and ask him what he thinks of Andy's mapping yourself... then come back here and I'll try not to rub it in too much

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I have 3.5k to spend on throttle bodies. I will be spending that money at Angelworks because I know he will do a better job. I have experience of GDI and wont be wasting thousands of pounds there again.

It is easy to pass comments on the internet about who is best. I would rather put my money where my mouth is.

Well it's your car and your money, I've used Ben's services in the past and paid £1200+ pound for some £400 off the shelf cat cams that he claims he designed the profile of and then waited 2 years for some pulleys to turn up along with group N mount(s) and clear timing cover to only be lied to continually. Not only that but to also have a hole put through my sump (which tbh I wasn't bothered about) and told that Andy did it! pmsl. So... I take it he didn't inform you about that or other fiasco's I've seen first hand that I've saved him the embarrassment of? Like to hear about the time a mate of mine called Mehdi dropped off a white 2.0 hybrid to have throttle bodies installed? lol

I changed the fuel map using the AFR meter for refernece and the idle advance by monitoring the engine behaviour with the OMEX software. Its all been checked out during a power run at Northampton motorsport.

That's great, personally I'd not even attempt it, I'll leave it to the experts. And they say the map is good, so much so it made 203.8bhp and 163.6lbs/ft both at the wheels. Hell, George Foreman would put his name to this s**t

 

[TheJesus]

no, my car has been at Omex in the past due to a hardware fault on the ECU that they fixed FOC (nice of them).

I contacted OMEX directly about this mysterious hardware fault. After an initial check of my map they said it wasnt necessary. Seems strange on cars with installations done at a similar time by the same company...

If your not a mathmatician, don't attempt to add two and two

My Eprom was replaced and strangely enough don't recall them saying "yes sir, everythings is 100% perfect, but I'm going to replace this part here..." lol

 

[MarkM]

Well it's your car and your money, I've used Ben's services in the past and paid £1200+ pound for some £400 off the shelf cat cams that he claims he designed the profile of and then waited 2 years for some pulleys to turn up along with group N mount(s) and clear timing cover to only be lied to continually. Not only that but to also have a hole put through my sump (which tbh I wasn't bothered about) and told that Andy did it! pmsl. So... I take it he didn't inform you about that or other fiasco's I've seen first hand that I've saved him the embarrassment of? Like to hear about the time a mate of mine called Mehdi dropped off a white 2.0 hybrid to have throttle bodies installed? lol

I spent 4k at GDI and got a graph (excel spreadsheet) that said I had 205bhp. I doubt it would have made standard power and it drove like a pile of s**t.

 

[TheJesus]

sounds like you actually got all the parts you paid for, I never did, this is 3-4 years on now... I take it you had a happy conclusion to your initial problems?

Mine was sadly never rectified and no attempt to do so was made, instead I was just lied to on a constant basis as well as other probs I cant be bothered going into. I suppose every tuner will have problems of some kind with some cars, to be expected really if you're realistic. I had no issue with the quality of Ben's work, apart from he never actually did any, I could have bought the cams and pulleys from Cat for £600 and given 2 live £50 to fit and time the f*****s.

 

[MarkM]

sounds like you actually got all the parts you paid for, I never did, this is 3-4 years on now... I take it you had a happy conclusion to your initial problems?

Yes, I fixed it myself.

fuel consumption
idle control
cold start

Some simple modifications to the fuelling and spark maps sorted them out. When I spoke to Andy a few months ago he was still trying to fob me off with the OMEX hardware fault. Apparently these problems were nothing to do with the mapping.

For the idle problem he wanted to fit an air bypass valve. I had a go at it myself one Sunday morning. The OMEX adds or takes away advance to acheive an idle setpoint. If you want it to idle at 1100rpm it monitors the revs and adds advance it it goes below and takes it away if it goes above. You can monitor a graph that shows rpm vs ignition. My car was sitting at 900rpm always adding advance but never acheiving the setpoint because the rpm was already to low. By increasing the advance in the static map at idle rpm I got a perfectly stable idle.

By using my common sense I acheived something that Andy had tried numerous times to sort but couldnt. I remember going to GDI and describing this problem for the first time to Andy. He rushed out with an allen key and wound the stop on the throttle body. If he new anything about mapping a car he probably would have realised that the idle is based on the throttle position so by winding the throttle body increased the TPS feedback and the OMEX thinks you have the throttle pressed so does not try to idle. Another disaster where the car left worse then it had arrived.

It appears that I am more knowledgeable then Andy when it comes to getting a car to idle using this method. Maybe I could set myself up as an approved OMEX mapper. Read this post would you believe I knew what I was on about?

 

[ja.jack]

You should get into the tuning game yourself, Mark. lol

How do you know Angelworks will get your conversion spot on when Ben, by his own admission, is not an electrics man?

 

[MarkM]

You should get into the tuning game yourself, Mark. lol

How do you know Angelworks will get your conversion spot on when Ben, by his own admission, is not an electrics man?

How hard can it be.

He is subcontracting that part out.