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For TheJesus ignorance is bliss.
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It's a bit confusing, Mark. You spent 4k on TB conversion at GDI. In the modded clio sticky you seemed quite happy apart from cold start/idle issues.
If you have sorted these out and your clio is now running ok, why are you spending another wedge on basically the same mod? I know folks are being a bit silly and coy about the new induction kit from Angelworks, but can it really be much better than what already exists?
If you have sorted these out and your clio is now running ok, why are you spending another wedge on basically the same mod? I know folks are being a bit silly and coy about the new induction kit from Angelworks, but can it really be much better than what already exists?
Yes, I fixed it myself.
fuel consumption
idle control
cold start
Some simple modifications to the fuelling and spark maps sorted them out. When I spoke to Andy a few months ago he was still trying to fob me off with the OMEX hardware fault. Apparently these problems were nothing to do with the mapping.
For the idle problem he wanted to fit an air bypass valve. I had a go at it myself one Sunday morning. The OMEX adds or takes away advance to acheive an idle setpoint. If you want it to idle at 1100rpm it monitors the revs and adds advance it it goes below and takes it away if it goes above. You can monitor a graph that shows rpm vs ignition. My car was sitting at 900rpm always adding advance but never acheiving the setpoint because the rpm was already to low. By increasing the advance in the static map at idle rpm I got a perfectly stable idle.
By using my common sense I acheived something that Andy had tried numerous times to sort but couldnt. I remember going to GDI and describing this problem for the first time to Andy. He rushed out with an allen key and wound the stop on the throttle body. If he new anything about mapping a car he probably would have realised that the idle is based on the throttle position so by winding the throttle body increased the TPS feedback and the OMEX thinks you have the throttle pressed so does not try to idle. Another disaster where the car left worse then it had arrived.
It appears that I am more knowledgeable then Andy when it comes to getting a car to idle using this method. Maybe I could set myself up as an approved OMEX mapper. Read this post would you believe I knew what I was on about?
That does seem strange as I've seen Andy using the Omex software and mine has no idle issues. I take it that you then remapped the rest of the car then?
I think that for me after the conversion ignorance was bliss, lol. It is hard to spend so much money and not try and convince yourself the car is OK. I wrote the sticky a couple of days after I had picked it up and made light of the idle and starting problems. I also had a louder exhust and induction kit on the car so when you booted it, it certainly sounded quicker.
I went for the cable throttle conversion with OMEX as a stepping stone to a full on ITB conversion when money allowed. I think it has already been mentioned in the thread that Ben is doing an ITB conversion on my car. Throttle bodies, custom rad, uprated injectors, air con removed so is certainly not what I already have.
Ben does not want to release specific details but it is basically an ITB kit. Being coy and silly about what it is has certainly stirred up some interest though, hasnt it?
I think something along the lines of better made and cheaper then the Jenvey kits. Also a design that gives better mid range whilst still maintaining a similar top end.
lol at some of the posts.
better off just binnin ur t/b 1*2s and gettin a williams, with bodies...hehe.
could buy the car, and get the mods done for less than u all seem to be paying for bodies on yours, and will end up with a faster car, that handles better, and looks better.
and you end up with something similar to this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VKh7TZ7GlyU
some people never listen to good reason
better off just binnin ur t/b 1*2s and gettin a williams, with bodies...hehe.
could buy the car, and get the mods done for less than u all seem to be paying for bodies on yours, and will end up with a faster car, that handles better, and looks better.
and you end up with something similar to this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VKh7TZ7GlyU
some people never listen to good reason
Clio 172 Cup
ben any luck with the inlet manifolds?
yea but they smell like old men inside
????
must admit mine does seem to have a funny odour evry now n then. but it emanates from the pass seat usually
lol at some of the posts.
better off just binnin ur t/b 1*2s and gettin a williams, with bodies...hehe.
could buy the car, and get the mods done for less than u all seem to be paying for bodies on yours, and will end up with a faster car, that handles better, and looks better.
and you end up with something similar to this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VKh7TZ7GlyU
some people never listen to good reason
hmmm... looks better? - agree
handles better? - agree
goes better? - jury is out, yours stripped out still aint got the minerals
Mark - better made? In what sense, as Jenvey are a pretty big company. Be interesting to see what they come out like, but unless the gains are pretty big and the cost is lower it seems a bit futile. Ben's a clever boy though, he knows what he's doing. He should buy a calender though, does he know it's not January still?
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lol at some of the posts.
better off just binnin ur t/b 1*2s and gettin a williams, with bodies...hehe.
could buy the car, and get the mods done for less than u all seem to be paying for bodies on yours, and will end up with a faster car, that handles better, and looks better.
and you end up with something similar to this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VKh7TZ7GlyU
some people never listen to good reason
hmmm... looks better? - agree
handles better? - agree
goes better? - jury is out, yours stripped out still aint got the minerals
aye ..but its nowhere near finished yet.
hmmm... looks better? - agree
handles better? - agree
goes better? - jury is out, yours stripped out still aint got the minerals
aye ..but its nowhere near finished yet.
neither is mine byatch, yours has more mods too :rasp: head on mine is completely standard :approve:
williams 2
if the car is completly standard then 200 can be reache dfor around the 2k mark! 7k+ for 220hp made me laugh!
535d / t5 caravelle
anybody interested in bodies needs to wait till Jan, there will be some exciting new developments
shhhhh
Which jan pal?
only messing around but how is this kit coming along, is it any closer to the finished product?are there people off here carless whilst this is being developed? cant be arsed to read all the thread again, but i thought some people had put there cars forward for the developement of the kit? can any of you comment?
anybody interested in bodies needs to wait till Jan, there will be some exciting new developments
shhhhh
Which jan pal?
are there people off here carless whilst this is being developed? cant be arsed to read all the thread again, but i thought some people had put there cars forward for the developement of the kit? can any of you comment?
2013, by then clios will be cheap enough to modify properly.
As it stands, they are about 10-14 days from completion, but even then we wont have the immediate time to do an installation as we are so busy with already comitted work. Development programs dont make money but it sure does spend it.
Nobody has their car with us for development, we've been using just an engine and bay measurements.
I'll allow some small details out just so people can roughly see whats up.
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20914&d=1183823836
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20913&d=1183823828
Some of the highlights of the bodies is pure billet contruction, no nasty casting and core shift, no need to finish the bodies matching to the head and the rest of its sub assembly by hand at extra cost. Stainless fittings and tempered spindles for rigidity, hardness and anti corrosion (no pressed and bent mild steel with zinc coatings). Only 2 throttle adjustment screws and no complex linkages. Infinately adjustable trumpet length using the runners so the bellmouths can be retained rather than purchasing new ones. Taper from round to port shape is before the butterfly for increased efficiency and this allows us to run smaller dimention ports and runners without sacrificing peak bhp numbers, yet increased velocity allows increased torque. BUtterfly is the same dimention and shape as the port rather than round. Mounts to use the stock fuel rail and injector types for cost saving and ease of use with stock fuel line fitting (otherwise complete fuel lines need changing). Use of proper flat backed ally air filter backing plate rather than glass fibre deep box to accomodate long trumpets and clear fuel rail. Screw on bellmouths for simple installation, no more multiple small bolts to loose and drop down the bodies. Provisions for the aircon equipped cars aux bracketry setup, although retention of aircon is a much harder and expensive cost due to space restrictions and routing of aircon lines among other issues. And it will also run a stock phs1 172 throttle cable and pedal setup so no higgledy piggledy messing around with cables as renault use stupid pedal end connections.
Thats all for now, but you get the idea...............its not just a bosh it out deal, do it once, do it properly.
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